OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread

[hype_2004]

Almost 4700 new cases in Canada yesterday

Dude you do realise that despite all of the thousands of new daily infections in the country that there's still only about 1,200 people in hospital for the virus currently IN ALL OF CANADA right? And there's something like 380 people or so in hospitals for the virus in Ontario despite having 600-1000 new daily infections for over a month now. So well over a month's worth of high infection numbers and STILL the number of hospital cases hasn't skyrocketed one bit to the point the Toronto news don't even bother reporting the number of hospital cases anymore.

So how much longer do we have to wait for 'the lag' to catch up that will finally bring hundreds of sick people daily to the hospitals to 'overwhelm' our medical system? Its ALWAYS 'The worst is coming you just wait.' and then when it doesn't come our leaders and 'experts' just keep pushing the timeline further down and keep saying 'its coming' and stupid people just keep believing them instead of the actual data.

Fugging sheep's, we need "herd immunity" for the sheeps only way to get rid of this virus. Isolate the old, the sick and those with pre existing conditions, fugg it if you think you are vulnerable isolate yourselves wear your PPE and please leave all freedom loving people to do their own thing, open up the economy, life has to **** go on!

[NBA Sheady]

Almost 4700 new cases in Canada yesterday

Dude you do realise that despite all of the thousands of new daily infections in the country that there's still only about 1,200 people in hospital for the virus currently IN ALL OF CANADA right? And there's something like 380 people or so in hospitals for the virus in Ontario despite having 600-1000 new daily infections for over a month now. So well over a month's worth of high infection numbers and STILL the number of hospital cases hasn't skyrocketed one bit to the point the Toronto news don't even bother reporting the number of hospital cases anymore.

So how much longer do we have to wait for 'the lag' to catch up that will finally bring hundreds of sick people daily to the hospitals to 'overwhelm' our medical system? Its ALWAYS 'The worst is coming you just wait.' and then when it doesn't come our leaders and 'experts' just keep pushing the timeline further down and keep saying 'its coming' and stupid people just keep believing them instead of the actual data.

Fugging sheep's, we need "herd immunity" for the sheeps only way to get rid of this virus. Isolate the old, the sick and those with pre existing conditions, fugg it if you think you are vulnerable isolate yourselves wear your PPE and please leave all freedom loving people to do their own thing, open up the economy, life has to **** go on!

During a public health emergency we as a society are at the mercy of our least intelligent members.

[Kevin Willis]

it's really a challenge to keep up with the changes in lockdown status. I think it's been escalated again in certain areas so you can't visit family? And I think stores are limited again - really hard to tell.

[KL78192020]

it's really a challenge to keep up with the changes in lockdown status. I think it's been escalated again in certain areas so you can't visit family? And I think stores are limited again - really hard to tell.

I really don't think anyone cares anymore or is following it. To many convoluted rules.

[13th Man]

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/11/05/canadas-top-doctor-now-says-your-covid-19-masks-should-have-three-layers-experts-ask-what-took-her-so-long.html

And you guys were all blasting me for saying that cloth masks were ineffective and crying for my posts to be deleted?

[Kevin Willis]

it's really a challenge to keep up with the changes in lockdown status. I think it's been escalated again in certain areas so you can't visit family? And I think stores are limited again - really hard to tell.

I really don't think anyone cares anymore or is following it. To many convoluted rules.

Agree. This phase approach works well in one direction but not if you treat it like an elevator going up and down all the time. Some people will be on one floor and others on another floor doing different things. Then they will stop caring.

[Kevin Willis]

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/11/05/canadas-top-doctor-now-says-your-covid-19-masks-should-have-three-layers-experts-ask-what-took-her-so-long.html

And you guys were all blasting me for saying that cloth masks were ineffective and crying for my posts to be deleted?

To be fair nothing stated in this article is new. We have shared videos on aerosol transmission and we know N95 masks are the best to use. The argument is that with social distancing and a cloth mask less people are likely to get infected. The article doesn't specifically talk about cloth masks.

The conflicting messages around mask wearing in particular — a three-layer mask is better, but don’t throw away your two-layer mask either, the agency said this week — points to an overall failure of communication by the organization, some infection control experts say.

The issue is more the communication is poor. People on this board have been discussing this for weeks and they're only releasing it publicly now. That's slow.

[13th Man]

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/11/05/canadas-top-doctor-now-says-your-covid-19-masks-should-have-three-layers-experts-ask-what-took-her-so-long.html

And you guys were all blasting me for saying that cloth masks were ineffective and crying for my posts to be deleted?

To be fair nothing stated in this article is new. We have shared videos on aerosol transmission and we know N95 masks are the best to use. The argument is that with social distancing and a cloth mask less people are likely to get infected. The article doesn't specifically talk about cloth masks.

The conflicting messages around mask wearing in particular — a three-layer mask is better, but don’t throw away your two-layer mask either, the agency said this week — points to an overall failure of communication by the organization, some infection control experts say.

The issue is more the communication is poor. People on this board have been discussing this for weeks and they're only releasing it publicly now. That's slow.

Some people were posting stuff saying that cloth masks were pretty effective in blocking these aerosols, I think it was village_idiot.

They don't talk about cloth masks in that article because it's not even in the same league as a 2 or 3 layer mask. If they now state that a 2 layer mask is insufficient, what does that say about cloth masks, which is essentially a one layer mask?

When I had the opinion that cloth masks could possibly do more harm than good by contamination through improper usage and cleaning, people called this dangerous misinformation that should be censored.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/11/05/canadas-top-doctor-now-says-your-covid-19-masks-should-have-three-layers-experts-ask-what-took-her-so-long.html

And you guys were all blasting me for saying that cloth masks were ineffective and crying for my posts to be deleted?

no, you were being blasted for stating cloth masks "do more harm than good".

And yes, adding an additional filtration layer of material between 2 layers of cloth is going to improve. There have been quite a few Canadian companies manufacturing and selling masks with that additional swap-able filtration layer since as early as April, this shouldn't be news to anyone.

Some people were posting stuff saying that cloth masks were pretty effective in blocking these aerosols, I think it was village_idiot.

yes, they are pretty effective at blocking virus, go back and read the studies that I posted which you never bothered to, but this isn't a mutually exclusive proposition as you make it out to be as everyone here including myself has never stated they are better than medical grade PPE.

They don't talk about cloth masks in that article because it's not even in the same league as a 2 or 3 layer mask. If they now state that a 2 layer mask is insufficient, what does that say about cloth masks, which is essentially a one layer mask?

you don't even bother to read the articles you post do you.

A three-layer mask that includes a filter can both help trap aerosols better than a two-layer mask — therefore preventing the spread of the small particles — but can also help protect a person from inhaling them, said Linsey Marr, professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech.

see that word "better"?.....comprehension is key to here. As KevinWillis already pointed out as well, the article states to "not throw out your 2 layer mask" because it still protects others around you and lowers viral load. Do better.

When I had the opinion that cloth masks could possibly do more harm than good by contamination through improper usage and cleaning, people called this dangerous misinformation that should be censored.

Had the opinion? So you no longer have the opinion that cloth masks do more harm than good? Glad to see you've come around on that.

[13th Man]

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/11/05/canadas-top-doctor-now-says-your-covid-19-masks-should-have-three-layers-experts-ask-what-took-her-so-long.html

And you guys were all blasting me for saying that cloth masks were ineffective and crying for my posts to be deleted?

no, you were being blasted for stating cloth masks "do more harm than good".

And yes, adding an additional filtration layer of material between 2 layers of cloth is going to improve. There have been quite a few Canadian companies manufacturing and selling masks with that additional swap-able filtration layer since as early as April, this shouldn't be news to anyone.

Some people were posting stuff saying that cloth masks were pretty effective in blocking these aerosols, I think it was village_idiot.

yes, they are pretty effective at blocking virus, go back and read the studies that I posted which you never bothered to, but this isn't a mutually exclusive proposition as you make it out to be as everyone here including myself has never stated they are better than medical grade PPE.

They don't talk about cloth masks in that article because it's not even in the same league as a 2 or 3 layer mask. If they now state that a 2 layer mask is insufficient, what does that say about cloth masks, which is essentially a one layer mask?

you don't even bother to read the articles you post do you.

A three-layer mask that includes a filter can both help trap aerosols better than a two-layer mask — therefore preventing the spread of the small particles — but can also help protect a person from inhaling them, said Linsey Marr, professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech.

see that word "better"?.....comprehension is key to here. As KevinWillis already pointed out as well, the article states to "not throw out your 2 layer mask" because it still protects others around you and lowers viral load. Do better.

When I had the opinion that cloth masks could possibly do more harm than good by contamination through improper usage and cleaning, people called this dangerous misinformation that should be censored.

Had the opinion? So you no longer have the opinion that cloth masks do more harm than good? Glad to see you've come around on that.

Lol @ all the mental gymnastics being exercised here. The bottom line is that you were wrong on your entire premise and conclusion.

- I said cloth masks were ineffective and could do more harm than good with the way they are improperly handled and cleaned - check

- Mentioned that I only wear 3-layer masks because those were the only effective ones if you can't get N95 - check

- Said that lockdowns do more harm than good. Have since been backed up by the WHO - check

- Said that Biden could only win via cheating - check

- Won money on the election even though I might lose $500 on Trump. Knew that shenanigans would take place so got some insurance for it which covered for me - check

- Said jokingly that covid would disappear if Biden wins - funny how they've just announced a legitimate vaccine! - check

You know, I have one of the best records of managing successful projects because at the end of the day results is all that matter. Some of you guys produce a lot of fluff and hot air but are flat out wrong when it's time to deliver, there's nothing of real substance.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

- I said cloth masks were ineffective and could do more harm than good with the way they are improperly handled and cleaned - check

nope, this is what you stated:

"Not saying that masks are totally ineffective but unless they are N95 grade, they could be doing more harm than good."

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=85678722#p85678722

- Mentioned that I only wear 3-layer masks because those were the only effective ones if you can't get N95 - check

nope, this is what you stated:

"The only masks that are really effective against covid and influenza are N95 masks."

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=85677720#p85677720

- Said that lockdowns do more harm than good. Have since been backed up by the WHO - check

nobody is locked down, nice try with that red herring.

the rest of your political ramblings

who cares, this isn't a political thread or issue, take that somewhere esle.

Stop lying and stop with the nonsense.

[Fairview4Life]

- Said that lockdowns do more harm than good. Have since been backed up by the WHO - check

nobody is locked down, nice try with that red herring.

It's also not actually what the WHO said. There was unsurprisingly more nuance involved.

I'M A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT MANAGER.

[13th Man]

- I said cloth masks were ineffective and could do more harm than good with the way they are improperly handled and cleaned - check

nope, this is what you stated:

"Not saying that masks are totally ineffective but unless they are N95 grade, they could be doing more harm than good."

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=85678722#p85678722

- Mentioned that I only wear 3-layer masks because those were the only effective ones if you can't get N95 - check

nope, this is what you stated:

"The only masks that are really effective against covid and influenza are N95 masks."

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=85677720#p85677720

- Said that lockdowns do more harm than good. Have since been backed up by the WHO - check

nobody is locked down, nice try with that red herring.

the rest of your political ramblings

who cares, this isn't a political thread or issue, take that somewhere esle.

Stop lying and stop with the nonsense.

The initial statement I walked back so that invalidates your point. After further review, I later added that I got rid of the junk cloth mask that I was duped into buying to only wear the blue 3-ply disposable ones.

So yes, correct on all fronts. See the difference is that I do my own research and analysis to form my own conclusion. I don't just parrot what the MSM tells me, their narrative is often misleading and just wrong.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

- I said cloth masks were ineffective and could do more harm than good with the way they are improperly handled and cleaned - check

nope, this is what you stated:

"Not saying that masks are totally ineffective but unless they are N95 grade, they could be doing more harm than good."

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=85678722#p85678722

- Mentioned that I only wear 3-layer masks because those were the only effective ones if you can't get N95 - check

nope, this is what you stated:

"The only masks that are really effective against covid and influenza are N95 masks."

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=85677720#p85677720

- Said that lockdowns do more harm than good. Have since been backed up by the WHO - check

nobody is locked down, nice try with that red herring.

the rest of your political ramblings

who cares, this isn't a political thread or issue, take that somewhere esle.

Stop lying and stop with the nonsense.

The initial statement I walked back so that invalidates your point. After further review, I later added that I got rid of the junk cloth mask that I was duped into buying to only wear the blue 3-ply disposable ones.

So yes, correct on all fronts. See the difference is that I do my own research, analysis and form my own conclusion. I don't just parrot what the MSM tells me, their narrative is often misleading and just wrong.

happy to see you admit to being wrong on all fronts.

[NBA Sheady]

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/11/05/canadas-top-doctor-now-says-your-covid-19-masks-should-have-three-layers-experts-ask-what-took-her-so-long.html

And you guys were all blasting me for saying that cloth masks were ineffective and crying for my posts to be deleted?

ah yes because three layers being more effective obviously means two layers are completely ineffectual.

[NBA Sheady]

it's really a challenge to keep up with the changes in lockdown status. I think it's been escalated again in certain areas so you can't visit family? And I think stores are limited again - really hard to tell.

I really don't think anyone cares anymore or is following it. To many convoluted rules.

Yeah the stupid and selfish people make me really sad.

[NBA Sheady]

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/11/05/canadas-top-doctor-now-says-your-covid-19-masks-should-have-three-layers-experts-ask-what-took-her-so-long.html

And you guys were all blasting me for saying that cloth masks were ineffective and crying for my posts to be deleted?

To be fair nothing stated in this article is new. We have shared videos on aerosol transmission and we know N95 masks are the best to use. The argument is that with social distancing and a cloth mask less people are likely to get infected. The article doesn't specifically talk about cloth masks.

The conflicting messages around mask wearing in particular — a three-layer mask is better, but don’t throw away your two-layer mask either, the agency said this week — points to an overall failure of communication by the organization, some infection control experts say.

The issue is more the communication is poor. People on this board have been discussing this for weeks and they're only releasing it publicly now. That's slow.

Some people were posting stuff saying that cloth masks were pretty effective in blocking these aerosols, I think it was village_idiot.

They don't talk about cloth masks in that article because it's not even in the same league as a 2 or 3 layer mask. If they now state that a 2 layer mask is insufficient, what does that say about cloth masks, which is essentially a one layer mask?

When I had the opinion that cloth masks could possibly do more harm than good by contamination through improper usage and cleaning, people called this dangerous misinformation that should be censored.

This is false.

I'm not sure why you think that. Just a wee bit of reading could cure you of many of your misconceptions.

[vini_vidi_vici]

My favorite part about RGM is when someone is obviously wrong, they try to change their narrative (seemingly oblivious to the search function on RGM), then double down and claim emphatically they were correct.

I think this cultures yearning to be "right" is what really ruins discourse, but I digress.

[Caboclo]

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