2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[Bruin]

The Lakers should really use Kuzma, Harrell and 1st pick for Derozan S&T.

Lowry for KCP. Uggh, flip him to New Orleans for Aquaman?

I’d rather let Kyle walk to another team than do a sign and trade for KCP. Only way I do a deal with the Lakers is for their pick or THT

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I'm not interested in that Lakers deal unless Kuzma is able to net more young assets from a 3rd team that go to us.

i don't think the Raps have much a choice but get back assets. worse is if Lowry just takes the MLE and leaves us with nothing because we're playing hardball. we already got 0 assets back from Kawhi, Serge, Gasol, and Green. This is just to get Lowry a salary he desires, for his last big contract essentially.

1. a young, middle-ceiling player, shown he can be a high end role player down the line
2. a first round draft pick

he's an asset that can be traded down the line as well.

if Suggs is drafted, rather just let Suggs get as many minutes from the get go instead of Nurse burying him behind FVV and Lowry (if resigned)

if this is the best deal we can get, so be it. i'm already inclined that Lowry leaves us for nothing anyways.

[mademan]

The Lakers should really use Kuzma, Harrell and 1st pick for Derozan S&T.

Lowry for KCP. Uggh, flip him to New Orleans for Aquaman?

I’d rather let Kyle walk to another team than do a sign and trade for KCP. Only way I do a deal with the Lakers is for their pick or THT

Ya, i'd do it for the 2027 pick unprotected. KCP isnt a bad player. He's a good guard defender and a borderline elite 3pt shooter. He doesnt really have a place on the Raps, but you can sell him for assets. Think Philly would love him and would come off another pick for him

[LBJKB24MJ23]

The Lakers should really use Kuzma, Harrell and 1st pick for Derozan S&T.

Lowry for KCP. Uggh, flip him to New Orleans for Aquaman?

I’d rather let Kyle walk to another team than do a sign and trade for KCP. Only way I do a deal with the Lakers is for their pick or THT

if Mobley or Green are drafted by the Raptors, i'd resign KLow but it is seemingly less of a chance every day as we approach the draft.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I'm not interested in that Lakers deal unless Kuzma is able to net more young assets from a 3rd team that go to us.

i don't think the Raps have much a choice but get back assets. worse is if Lowry just takes the MLE and leaves us with nothing because we're playing hardball. we already got 0 assets back from Kawhi, Serge, Gasol, and Green. This is just to get Lowry a salary he desires, for his last big contract essentially.

1. a young, middle-ceiling player, shown he can be a high end role player down the line
2. a first round draft pick

he's an asset that can be traded down the line as well.

if Suggs is drafted, rather just let Suggs get as many minutes from the get go instead of Nurse burying him behind FVV and Lowry (if resigned)

if this is the best deal we can get, so be it. i'm already inclined that Lowry leaves us for nothing anyways.

yeah I get that we're not in a controlling position here, though if we're having to take back KCP and Kuzma, at some point there is an opportunity cost to not having the capspace. Maybe you can get a team with a mid 1st to trade for Kuzma, which I would prefer if something like this plays out.

We could also just do what OKC has been doing, and take on some other team's trash for rebuilding assets while letting Kyle walk. OKC has got some solid draft capital that way. Hard to say which is a better net result for us.

[Psubs]

I'm not interested in that Lakers deal unless Kuzma is able to net more young assets from a 3rd team that go to us.

i don't think the Raps have much a choice but get back assets. worse is if Lowry just takes the MLE and leaves us with nothing because we're playing hardball. we already got 0 assets back from Kawhi, Serge, Gasol, and Green. This is just to get Lowry a salary he desires, for his last big contract essentially.

1. a young, middle-ceiling player, shown he can be a high end role player down the line
2. a first round draft pick

he's an asset that can be traded down the line as well.

if Suggs is drafted, rather just let Suggs get as many minutes from the get go instead of Nurse burying him behind FVV and Lowry (if resigned)

if this is the best deal we can get, so be it. i'm already inclined that Lowry leaves us for nothing anyways.

yeah I get that we're not in a controlling position here, though if we're having to take back KCP and Kuzma, at some point there is an opportunity cost to not having the capspace. Maybe you can get a team with a mid 1st to trade for Kuzma, which I would prefer if something like this plays out.

We could also just do what OKC has been doing, and take on some other team's trash for rebuilding assets while letting Kyle walk. OKC has got some solid draft capital that way. Hard to say which is a better net result for us.

What about Steven Adams somehow? Would be starting C but not a good FT shooter.

It would be neat to get the player drafted with the 1st pick that was traded to acquire Kyle Lowry.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I'm not interested in that Lakers deal unless Kuzma is able to net more young assets from a 3rd team that go to us.

i don't think the Raps have much a choice but get back assets. worse is if Lowry just takes the MLE and leaves us with nothing because we're playing hardball. we already got 0 assets back from Kawhi, Serge, Gasol, and Green. This is just to get Lowry a salary he desires, for his last big contract essentially.

1. a young, middle-ceiling player, shown he can be a high end role player down the line
2. a first round draft pick

he's an asset that can be traded down the line as well.

if Suggs is drafted, rather just let Suggs get as many minutes from the get go instead of Nurse burying him behind FVV and Lowry (if resigned)

if this is the best deal we can get, so be it. i'm already inclined that Lowry leaves us for nothing anyways.

yeah I get that we're not in a controlling position here, though if we're having to take back KCP and Kuzma, at some point there is an opportunity cost to not having the capspace. Maybe you can get a team with a mid 1st to trade for Kuzma, which I would prefer if something like this plays out.

We could also just do what OKC has been doing, and take on some other team's trash for rebuilding assets while letting Kyle walk. OKC has got some solid draft capital that way. Hard to say which is a better net result for us.

i'm down with parlaying bad assets with future draft picks, for sure. esp when the team isn't ready to contend yet. Raps only have $20M to play with or so if they renounce Lowry or some of the other contracts i believe. timing is everything.

again, if the raptors some how end up with Green or Mobley at #4, i'm resigning Lowry.

[Morris_Shatford]

I think at times we can become preoccupied with the "Losing an asset for nothing" argument;
I get it and it sucks but in this case its a little different.

Had we dealt Lowry at the deadline for an expiring and a middling asset(s) then we walk into summer with cap space and stuff;
The issue with an S&T is that we are taking back likely some junk by way of salary ballast to make a potential S&T work.

S&Ting Lowry is fine but he isn't the only asset going outbound, all our cap space goes along with him.
At this point I would rather re-sign Lowry or just let him walk unless an S&T yields something worth our while to exchange our space for and a late 1st isnt that.

[Bruin]

With the Wolves apparently going after Simmons, I think we could involve ourselves and make it a 3 team deal with Lowry going to Philly

[vulture]

I think at times we can become preoccupied with the "Losing an asset for nothing" argument;
I get it and it sucks but in this case its a little different.

Had we dealt Lowry at the deadline for an expiring and a middling asset(s) then we walk into summer with cap space and stuff;
The issue with an S&T is that we are taking back likely some junk by way of salary ballast to make a potential S&T work.

S&Ting Lowry is fine but he isn't the only asset going outbound, all our cap space goes along with him.
At this point I would rather re-sign Lowry or just let him walk unless an S&T yields something worth our while to exchange our space for and a late 1st isnt that.

The question should be are we getting better players than Kuzma and KCP with our cap space especially since the free agents aren't really good this year?

[agkagk]

I'm not interested in that Lakers deal unless Kuzma is able to net more young assets from a 3rd team that go to us.

i don't think the Raps have much a choice but get back assets. worse is if Lowry just takes the MLE and leaves us with nothing because we're playing hardball. we already got 0 assets back from Kawhi, Serge, Gasol, and Green. This is just to get Lowry a salary he desires, for his last big contract essentially.

1. a young, middle-ceiling player, shown he can be a high end role player down the line
2. a first round draft pick

he's an asset that can be traded down the line as well.

if Suggs is drafted, rather just let Suggs get as many minutes from the get go instead of Nurse burying him behind FVV and Lowry (if resigned)

if this is the best deal we can get, so be it. i'm already inclined that Lowry leaves us for nothing anyways.

Agreed, we cant loose any more player's bird rights without getting anything back. salary cap reasons and all that.

[douggood]

I'm not interested in that Lakers deal unless Kuzma is able to net more young assets from a 3rd team that go to us.

i don't think the Raps have much a choice but get back assets. worse is if Lowry just takes the MLE and leaves us with nothing because we're playing hardball. we already got 0 assets back from Kawhi, Serge, Gasol, and Green. This is just to get Lowry a salary he desires, for his last big contract essentially.

1. a young, middle-ceiling player, shown he can be a high end role player down the line
2. a first round draft pick

he's an asset that can be traded down the line as well.

if Suggs is drafted, rather just let Suggs get as many minutes from the get go instead of Nurse burying him behind FVV and Lowry (if resigned)

if this is the best deal we can get, so be it. i'm already inclined that Lowry leaves us for nothing anyways.

Agreed, we cant loose any more player's bird rights without getting anything back. salary cap reasons and all that.

difference in this situation is that we get cap space if lowry walks.

[tecumseh18]

i don't think the Raps have much a choice but get back assets. worse is if Lowry just takes the MLE and leaves us with nothing because we're playing hardball. we already got 0 assets back from Kawhi, Serge, Gasol, and Green. This is just to get Lowry a salary he desires, for his last big contract essentially.

1. a young, middle-ceiling player, shown he can be a high end role player down the line
2. a first round draft pick

he's an asset that can be traded down the line as well.

if Suggs is drafted, rather just let Suggs get as many minutes from the get go instead of Nurse burying him behind FVV and Lowry (if resigned)

if this is the best deal we can get, so be it. i'm already inclined that Lowry leaves us for nothing anyways.

Agreed, we cant loose any more player's bird rights without getting anything back. salary cap reasons and all that.

difference in this situation is that we get cap space if lowry walks.

True. It's not losing an asset for nothing.

The problem with operating above the cap is that we'd have to re-sign Birch with half of the MLE, and wouldn't have enough left over to sign a starting C we might want (Portis, Kelly O., Theis). The BAE of 3.8 probably wouldn't be enough to keep Birch. But if Kyle walked for nothing, we'd have 13 mill in cap space - enough to outbid the MLE-offering teams for a decent C - plus the room exception of 4.7 mill to sign Birch.

[Ell Curry]

Kuzma/KCP and 2 firsts for Lowry seems like it would be worth doing, otherwise I'd rather see us just move Boucher for 50 cents on the dollar and use the 25M in cap space on someone we think will actually be a quality starter in their 20s, like Lonzo or John Collins, even if it means overpaying.

End of the day, it's about getting stars and if not stars, then having 6-7 quality young starters and future picks and right now we're probably at 5 in Siakam, OG, #4, VanVleet and Trent (not a lock, but 22 and a decent player who Masai targeted is a good start to being a lower end one), and the Lowry S+T or cap space delivering either a clear 6th or a pick high enough or 2 mid-late 1sts.

Doesn't seem like there's a team desperate to make 15M more in cap room and give us a couple firsts to do it, sadly. Not enough quality free agents to target and OKC is already around as a dumping ground.

[Spida888]

Kuzma/KCP and 2 firsts for Lowry seems like it would be worth doing, otherwise I'd rather see us just move Boucher for 50 cents on the dollar and use the 25M in cap space on someone we think will actually be a quality starter in their 20s, like Lonzo or John Collins, even if it means overpaying.

End of the day, it's about getting stars and if not stars, then having 6-7 quality young starters and future picks and right now we're probably at 5 in Siakam, OG, #4, VanVleet and Trent (not a lock, but 22 and a decent player who Masai targeted is a good start to being a lower end one), and the Lowry S+T or cap space delivering either a clear 6th or a pick high enough or 2 mid-late 1sts.

Doesn't seem like there's a team desperate to make 15M more in cap room and give us a couple firsts to do it, sadly. Not enough quality free agents to target and OKC is already around as a dumping ground.

I would be pleasantly surprised if Lowry fetches 2 FRPs. Maybe regretful teams that didn't get him at the last trade deadline decide to pony up now. Otherwise, a single FRP and prospect(s) or vets where we have the option to flip for more assets later will be pretty good return.

Boucher had a pretty good season, so we can probably get something decent for him. I would trade him for a mid to late first. If we don't do the Pascal trade with GSW, then maybe they still consider Boucher + SRP(s) for #14.

[Ell Curry]

Kuzma/KCP and 2 firsts for Lowry seems like it would be worth doing, otherwise I'd rather see us just move Boucher for 50 cents on the dollar and use the 25M in cap space on someone we think will actually be a quality starter in their 20s, like Lonzo or John Collins, even if it means overpaying.

End of the day, it's about getting stars and if not stars, then having 6-7 quality young starters and future picks and right now we're probably at 5 in Siakam, OG, #4, VanVleet and Trent (not a lock, but 22 and a decent player who Masai targeted is a good start to being a lower end one), and the Lowry S+T or cap space delivering either a clear 6th or a pick high enough or 2 mid-late 1sts.

Doesn't seem like there's a team desperate to make 15M more in cap room and give us a couple firsts to do it, sadly. Not enough quality free agents to target and OKC is already around as a dumping ground.

I would be pleasantly surprised if Lowry fetches 2 FRPs. Maybe regretful teams that didn't get him at the last trade deadline decide to pony up now. Otherwise, a single FRP and prospect(s) or vets where we have the option to flip for more assets later will be pretty good return.

Boucher had a pretty good season, so we can probably get something decent for him. I would trade him for a mid to late first. If we don't do the Pascal trade with GSW, then maybe they still consider Boucher + SRP(s) for #14.

Yeah, I'm not sure he would, I just mean that Kuzma + KCP + 22 seems like a meh offer for us, not sure it's better than having 19M in cap space and spending it on someone we think is a starter, or doing something like Boucher for a late first and having 25M in cap space. Maybe OKC would take the bad 5M a year contract off our hands to move up 10 picks or so from one of their mid 30s ones. Or this, to use your idea:

GSW: Boucher, #34
OKC: Looney, #14
Toronto: #36

Golden State moves down 20 picks but gets Boucher to start next to Draymond. OKC trades 2 picks for a higher one, which is presumably their goal considering they have a million picks and a finite amount of roster spots. Raptors save 6M or so and go from having 19M in cap room to having 25 and being able to grab a top RFA as well as draft someone we like at #34, or try to package it with one of #46 or #47 to move up into the late first.

[tecumseh18]

I think at times we can become preoccupied with the "Losing an asset for nothing" argument;
I get it and it sucks but in this case its a little different.

Had we dealt Lowry at the deadline for an expiring and a middling asset(s) then we walk into summer with cap space and stuff;
The issue with an S&T is that we are taking back likely some junk by way of salary ballast to make a potential S&T work.

S&Ting Lowry is fine but he isn't the only asset going outbound, all our cap space goes along with him.
At this point I would rather re-sign Lowry or just let him walk unless an S&T yields something worth our while to exchange our space for and a late 1st isnt that.

It depends on how our scouts rate the draft, but the #22 pick might be really valuable. It's a strong draft, and our two best players are a #27 pick and a #23 pick.

But the Sixers' #29 pick is not that valuable. We could approximate that by using our two 2nd rounders to move up.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I think at times we can become preoccupied with the "Losing an asset for nothing" argument;
I get it and it sucks but in this case its a little different.

Had we dealt Lowry at the deadline for an expiring and a middling asset(s) then we walk into summer with cap space and stuff;
The issue with an S&T is that we are taking back likely some junk by way of salary ballast to make a potential S&T work.

S&Ting Lowry is fine but he isn't the only asset going outbound, all our cap space goes along with him.
At this point I would rather re-sign Lowry or just let him walk unless an S&T yields something worth our while to exchange our space for and a late 1st isnt that.

ya i get it, but its about seeing who is out there to use the money on and is that player better than the combination of potentially KCP, Kuzma, 1st.

[Bruin]

Would love to get Murray somehow. A Suggs-Murray backcourt would be real nice

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[AkelaLoneWolf]

I think at times we can become preoccupied with the "Losing an asset for nothing" argument;
I get it and it sucks but in this case its a little different.

Had we dealt Lowry at the deadline for an expiring and a middling asset(s) then we walk into summer with cap space and stuff;
The issue with an S&T is that we are taking back likely some junk by way of salary ballast to make a potential S&T work.

S&Ting Lowry is fine but he isn't the only asset going outbound, all our cap space goes along with him.
At this point I would rather re-sign Lowry or just let him walk unless an S&T yields something worth our while to exchange our space for and a late 1st isnt that.

agree that doing a trade for the sake of doing a trade is dumb but our capspace isn't really worth a lot.
1. Raps are not a big FA destination team
2. we'll only have around 18M in capspace which would probably get you a Fournier type player.
3. in a s&t we still get to keep our MLE with which we can still target a decent role player and in a s&t we'd still have a relative amount of leverage if dealing with a team over the cap.

I would agree that re-signing Kyle and then trading him at the trade deadline makes more sense than doing a s&t now that there are so many restrictive rules around it.