Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #1061 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:11 am

vulture wrote:Can't wait till Scottie is on this graphic with the GOATs.

I was gonna say scottie has some potential to get on that list actually. A bit low on FG% and steals currently.

Vampirate · Post #1062 » by **Vampirate** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:01 pm

I'm going to say this, if FVV is gone, one way or another, and as Barnes is entering his 3rd year i'm going to be much more critical of him from now on as my expectations for him as a 3rd year player will be higher.

I need to see a noticeable jump in both PPG and scoring efficiency from Barnes next year.

Mikistan · Post #1063 » by **Mikistan** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:02 pm

Vampirate wrote:I'm going to say this, if FVV is gone, one way or another, and as Barnes is entering his 3rd year i'm going to be much more critical of him from now on as my expectations for him as a 3rd year player will be higher.

I need to see a noticeable jump in both PPG and scoring efficiency from Barnes next year.

I was just happy in the noticeable jump in 360 degree dunks

Vampirate · Post #1064 » by **Vampirate** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:12 pm

What matters are not Barnes stats in the first month of the season, what matters are his stats in the last month of the season.

mdenny · Post #1065 » by **mdenny** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:06 pm

Vampirate wrote:What matters are not Barnes stats in the first month of the season, what matters are his stats in the last month of the season.

Honestly....I think it's all about this summer.

Ppl don't want to hear this but raptor media was protecting scotty this year. The rumors and murmurs behind the scenes never fully came out. He's not gonna get the same protection next year. But he's got a chance this summer to adjust his routine. He certainly isn't the first 21 year old player to have some questions around his work ethic and professionalism. But in regards to media coverage, the grace period won't extend into next season.

I thought that after his ejection in that controversial game....his demeanor seemed to have improved/matured. Might be wishful thinking on my part but it seemed like he was a little more centered after that. Again, this summer is very important for him. I'm not even gonna worry too much about his stats early next season. It's gonna be all about his professionalism and approach.

It's also worth noting: none of the rumors paint him as a bad guy or a cancer or whatever. There's alot of young players with THAT extra problem. I think everyone percieves scotty as a good kid. It's a maturity thing....not a personality problem like Morant or whatever.

Loso04 · Post #1066 » by **Loso04** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:22 pm

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Tha Cynic · Post #1067 » by **Tha Cynic** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:16 pm

mdenny wrote:
Vampirate wrote:What matters are not Barnes stats in the first month of the season, what matters are his stats in the last month of the season.

Honestly....I think it's all about this summer.

Ppl don't want to hear this but raptor media was protecting scotty this year. The rumors and murmurs behind the scenes never fully came out. He's not gonna get the same protection next year. But he's got a chance this summer to adjust his routine. He certainly isn't the first 21 year old player to have some questions around his work ethic and professionalism. But in regards to media coverage, the grace period won't extend into next season.

I thought that after his ejection in that controversial game....his demeanor seemed to have improved/matured. Might be wishful thinking on my part but it seemed like he was a little more centered after that. Again, this summer is very important for him. I'm not even gonna worry too much about his stats early next season. It's gonna be all about his professionalism and approach.

It's also worth noting: none of the rumors paint him as a bad guy or a cancer or whatever. There's alot of young players with THAT extra problem. I think everyone percieves scotty as a good kid. It's a maturity thing....not a personality problem like Morant or whatever.

Agreed, there was a lot of noticable immaturity from him this season on the court and if he's going to move forward he needs to not only improve his skills but also develop more of a killer instinct in every game and a more aggressive offensive approach.

At this stage he needs to show some improvement as that's really all this team has at this point. This is a make or break offseason.

mdenny · Post #1068 » by **mdenny** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:26 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:
mdenny wrote:
Vampirate wrote:What matters are not Barnes stats in the first month of the season, what matters are his stats in the last month of the season.

Honestly....I think it's all about this summer.

Ppl don't want to hear this but raptor media was protecting scotty this year. The rumors and murmurs behind the scenes never fully came out. He's not gonna get the same protection next year. But he's got a chance this summer to adjust his routine. He certainly isn't the first 21 year old player to have some questions around his work ethic and professionalism. But in regards to media coverage, the grace period won't extend into next season.

I thought that after his ejection in that controversial game....his demeanor seemed to have improved/matured. Might be wishful thinking on my part but it seemed like he was a little more centered after that. Again, this summer is very important for him. I'm not even gonna worry too much about his stats early next season. It's gonna be all about his professionalism and approach.

It's also worth noting: none of the rumors paint him as a bad guy or a cancer or whatever. There's alot of young players with THAT extra problem. I think everyone percieves scotty as a good kid. It's a maturity thing....not a personality problem like Morant or whatever.

Agreed, there was a lot of noticable immaturity from him this season on the court and if he's going to move forward he needs to not only improve his skills but also develop more of a killer instinct in every game and a more aggressive offensive approach.

At this stage he needs to show some improvement as that's really all this team has at this point. This is a make or break offseason.

I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a make or break offseason for scotty. But it's a make or break offseason for scotty AS A RAPTOR. That might be what you're saying though.

Lots of players mature 5 or 6 seasons into their career. Ie Kyle Lowry. But if scotty spends the summer playing video games and doesn't work out with the team or team trainers....the vet mumbling going on in the dressing room and raptors media will start going public. After that happens...then ypu gotta worry about him leaving after his rookie contract or trade demands or work-to-rule crap like zion.

In anycase...I disagree that scotty should be off the trade table. If he had a great sophomore season and was showing signs of leadership development than sure. But that hasn't been the case. I wouldn't rule out the option of keeping fred/siakam/poetl and augmenting with the returns you get for scotty/OG. Those 3 guys compliment each other well. You might be able to add an allstar SG to them. Or a whack of draft picks (near future picks, not distant picks).

Raps in 4 · Post #1069 » by **Raps in 4** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:28 pm

Loso04 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

This theme needs to play when he shows the clip of Fred and Pascal running around like headless chickens with the ball.

Watch on YouTube

mdenny · Post #1070 » by **mdenny** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:37 pm

mdenny wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:
mdenny wrote:

Honestly....I think it's all about this summer.

Ppl don't want to hear this but raptor media was protecting scotty this year. The rumors and murmurs behind the scenes never fully came out. He's not gonna get the same protection next year. But he's got a chance this summer to adjust his routine. He certainly isn't the first 21 year old player to have some questions around his work ethic and professionalism. But in regards to media coverage, the grace period won't extend into next season.

I thought that after his ejection in that controversial game....his demeanor seemed to have improved/matured. Might be wishful thinking on my part but it seemed like he was a little more centered after that. Again, this summer is very important for him. I'm not even gonna worry too much about his stats early next season. It's gonna be all about his professionalism and approach.

It's also worth noting: none of the rumors paint him as a bad guy or a cancer or whatever. There's alot of young players with THAT extra problem. I think everyone percieves scotty as a good kid. It's a maturity thing....not a personality problem like Morant or whatever.

Agreed, there was a lot of noticable immaturity from him this season on the court and if he's going to move forward he needs to not only improve his skills but also develop more of a killer instinct in every game and a more aggressive offensive approach.

At this stage he needs to show some improvement as that's really all this team has at this point. This is a make or break offseason.

I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a make or break offseason for scotty. But it's a make or break offseason for scotty AS A RAPTOR. That might be what you're saying though.

Lots of players mature 5 or 6 seasons into their career. Ie Kyle Lowry. But if scotty spends the summer playing video games and doesn't work out with the team or team trainers....the vet mumbling going on in the dressing room and raptors media will start going public. After that happens...then ypu gotta worry about him leaving after his rookie contract or trade demands or work-to-rule crap like zion.

In anycase...I disagree that scotty should be off the trade table. If he had a great sophomore season and was showing signs of leadership development than sure. But that hasn't been the case. I wouldn't rule out the option of keeping fred/siakam/poetl and augmenting with the returns you get for scotty/OG. Those 3 guys compliment each other well. You might be able to add an allstar SG to them. Or a whack of draft picks (near future picks, not distant picks).

Truth be told...I would prefer to go young and move on from siakam/fred at this point. But again...that's not the "only" option. Especially if OG requests a trade (which I suspect he will).

WuTang_CMB · Post #1071 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:50 am

Larry T took scottie to the game

Read on Twitter

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Post #1072 » by **Reeko** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:59 am

WuTang_OG wrote:Larry T took scottie to the game

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Like Magic and Dr Buss.

tdotrep2 · Post #1073 » by **tdotrep2** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:59 am

WuTang_OG wrote:Larry T took scottie to the game

Read on Twitter
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this is nice to see.

720 · Post #1074 » by **720** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:19 pm

Brinbe · Post #1075 » by **Brinbe** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:22 pm

Scottie's got the passion.

Larry T knows who the future of the franchise is.

hype_2004 · Post #1076 » by **hype_2004** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:11 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Larry T took scottie to the game

Read on Twitter
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When Larry T has your back you call the shots, he's the face of the franchise going forward no doubt.

hype_2004 · Post #1077 » by **hype_2004** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:12 pm

Brinbe wrote:Scottie's got the passion.

Larry T knows who the future of the franchise is.

Which made me think that Nurse firing.....we all know Scottie and Nurse did not see eye to eye and Nurse is a Fred backer, just looking from that perspective.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1078 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:13 pm

Ryan O'Reilly's 'locked in' eyes are going to rub off on Scottie. No more rifts with vets.

Los_29 · Post #1079 » by **Los_29** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:17 pm

Scottie supporting the Leafs brought a tear to my eye. He's a keeper.

ArthurVandelay · Post #1080 » by **ArthurVandelay** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:50 pm

I keep thinking about Scottie’s comments at his exit interview. I don’t t hint it is a secret Scottie feels he is a PG and wants to play the position.

'I feel I probably need a different level of conditioning for the way I want to play'

“I wouldn’t say it impacted (his performance a lot), but I got tired sometimes when I picked up full-court (on defence) the way I play.

“For me to take another step defensively, I feel like it will take another level of conditioning.”

Scottie playing PG is a game changer for the team. I’m not giving up on the dream, yet.