2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[CazOnReal]

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Ingram and Kessler were also teammates.

Uh

Not in college nor the NBA so unless it was in the Olympics or FIBA or something i'm forgetting then this is just straight up false. And even if it was in one of those, I put zero stock into that swaying things regarding whether we should go after an offensively-inept 5 with limited upside when that involves dealing with Danny Ainge who is notorious for being difficult to negotiate with.

They were teammates on Team USA.

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Fair enough, I still maintain that Walker Kessler isn't a great target - and there is the fact he'll need to be paid soon vs. drafting Malauch or Queen who will be cheaper for much longer, irrespective of whether they pan out vs. Walker who is a proven talent - but I digress.

[youngRAPZ]

Yeah when you make a completely reductive argument it will of course sound ridiculous.

Gradey being a former lottery pick means nothing when by all advanced metrics he’s been worse than mediocre and will be coming off injury. Ochai has improved greatly but is still only a bench player. We have a logjam at guard and Gradey has shown he can’t play at the wing defensively. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to think Walter has shown more and has a higher ceiling than Gradey.

Lively is a much more productive player and is also on a rookie deal. He also plays a position of need and is a starter quality player. His upside and contract would be the reason for extra pick capital. There is a gap between Gradey and Lively. It isn’t “lottery pick for lottery pick”. Martin is salary filler but also a veteran player who can play so we don’t have a bench full of guys in their first years of the NBA.

Contextually after around pick 5 the player tiers are more fluid and larger. I wouldn’t mind any of the consensus mocked players from pick 7-11 if the Raptors don’t jump into the top 4.

The point of the trade is to solve the logjam at guard, collect a cheap positive asset at a position of need and not drop too far back from their current draft position to get someone from within the draft tier they are in.

You can disagree but don’t quote me with snarky condescension

I agree with the other poster. Terrible trade value.

Just keep Dick and Ochai and draft Maluach. Bryant doesn't factor into your 10 man depth list.

If you want Bryant, trade Dick to Orlando for the 16th pick.

You come out an Ochai asset ahead in the aggregate (I consider Maluach and Lively to be roughly equivalent value).

We disagree on the assessment of Lively. Don’t think a yet to be drafted rookie C is roughly equal to Lively now, especially when we’ve seen Lively be successful in the NBA playoffs. Not going to just pencil Khaman in as having that type of impact

Orlando also is not taking Dick in exchange for a top 20 pick of their own when he doesn’t solve any of their problems in terms of offensive creation. Whoever we’d draft in the 7-11 range is likely not going to be a big part of our rotation unless we draft a C and don’t sign or trade for one.

Easy for Lively to look good when he had Luka to throw him lobs all game.


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[Potential]

What are we giving up for Giannis this summer?

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[Mr Swagtastic]

What are we giving up for Giannis this summer?

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Giannis it's going to cost far too much to keep this team competitive. Like you're looking at Barnes plus picks (including this year's) and one of (possibly both) Gradey Dick and/or Walter or Mogbo.

I honestly see San Antonio giving up everything short of Wemby or OKC headlining a Jalen Williams plus a plethora of picks as well as your pick of Joe, Dort, Wiggins for him

[CazOnReal]

People don't seem to get how easily the Raptors are outbid for Giannis even including their 2025 1st barring it being Top 3. And for how much you're giving up when Giannis can walk in 2 years, you both won't have a ton of time to contend with him and likely won't have the assets to field the proper team needed around him.

[Tripod]

Add a good backup C going into next year, have a good draft, and I will be happy.

Let this group get some actual playing time together and battle internally for playing time.

[bballsparkin]

Easy for Lively to look good when he had Luka to throw him lobs all game.

well he lost Kyrie too. plus apparently wasn't healthy. Fit for fit I think it's an easy trade. I'd expect Dallas wants more. Gradey plus the Portland 2nd round pick for Lively is a no brainer. After that it gets tough. Then Draft KOn.

[Thaddy]

People don't seem to get how easily the Raptors are outbid for Giannis even including their 2025 1st barring it being Top 3. And for how much you're giving up when Giannis can walk in 2 years, you both won't have a ton of time to contend with him and likely won't have the assets to field the proper team needed around him.

Yeah it's way too early to give up on the farm. Dick, Walter, Mogbo, Shead, Battle, and even Chomche showed a lot of promise. We will have another 2-3 young players added to our roster for next season. I'd let them cook and look at where they're valued at the end of their rookie deals.

[sidsid]

If the market is soft on Durant because of Giannis and other players then that's the Kawhi deal that can be swung. I think Masai would jump on Embiid if the Sixers end up switching gears after this lottery outcome.

[mademan]

Easy for Lively to look good when he had Luka to throw him lobs all game.

well he lost Kyrie too. plus apparently wasn't healthy. Fit for fit I think it's an easy trade. I'd expect Dallas wants more. Gradey plus the Portland 2nd round pick for Lively is a no brainer. After that it gets tough. Then Draft KOn.

Fit is great for us, but i dont see it for Dallas. They need a playmaker, not a wing shooter. How is Dick better than what they currently have at the wing (Klay/Christie/Naji). They need a pg playmaker until Kyrie comes back, and we cant really offer that

[Thaddy]

Agbaji to the Mavs makes a lot of sense. Agbaji + 2nd for their pick this year. It'll balance our line up with a good prospect big. They get a win now piece to put beside Irving.

[DreamTeam09]

Agbaji to the Mavs makes a lot of sense. Agbaji + 2nd for their pick this year. It'll balance our line up with a good prospect big. They get a win now piece to put beside Irving.

As a Mavs fan I'm not giving up number 11 for Ochai, we are targeting a PG and that's kas Jak/Nolan territory or Fears if he falls

[Tripod]

Gradey for Jovic...who.says no?

[ArthurVandelay]

Gradey for Jovic...who.says no?

That’s a tough one. I’ve thought about that myself a few times.

Biggest pause I have on Raptors end is Jovic gets paid a year earlier at same time Agbaji is due.

[Thaddy]

Agbaji to the Mavs makes a lot of sense. Agbaji + 2nd for their pick this year. It'll balance our line up with a good prospect big. They get a win now piece to put beside Irving.

As a Mavs fan I'm not giving up number 11 for Ochai, we are targeting a PG and that's kas Jak/Nolan territory or Fears if he falls

You got an older core, developing prospects isn't in the window.

Gafford, Washington, #11 for Barrett, Agbaji.

Lively / Powell
AD / Marshall
RJ / Thompson
Agbaji / Christie
Irving / Hardy

Poeltl / Gafford / Maluach (#7)
Barnes / Washington / Fleming (#11)
Ingram / Mogbo / Battle
Walter / Dick
Quickely / Shead

[DreamTeam09]

Agbaji to the Mavs makes a lot of sense. Agbaji + 2nd for their pick this year. It'll balance our line up with a good prospect big. They get a win now piece to put beside Irving.

As a Mavs fan I'm not giving up number 11 for Ochai, we are targeting a PG and that's kas Jak/Nolan territory or Fears if he falls

You got an older core, developing prospects isn't in the window.

Gafford, Washington, #11 for Barrett, Agbaji.

Lively / Powell
AD / Marshall
RJ / Thompson
Agbaji / Christie
Irving / Hardy

Poeltl / Gafford / Maluach (#7)
Barnes / Washington / Fleming (#11)
Ingram / Mogbo / Battle
Walter / Dick
Quickely / Shead

I'd much rather keep my double C combo / my only current SF on the roster and our only lottery pick for the foreseeable future. Again a PG is what we need

[Thaddy]

As a Mavs fan I'm not giving up number 11 for Ochai, we are targeting a PG and that's kas Jak/Nolan territory or Fears if he falls

You got an older core, developing prospects isn't in the window.

Gafford, Washington, #11 for Barrett, Agbaji.

Lively / Powell
AD / Marshall
RJ / Thompson
Agbaji / Christie
Irving / Hardy

Poeltl / Gafford / Maluach (#7)
Barnes / Washington / Fleming (#11)
Ingram / Mogbo / Battle
Walter / Dick
Quickely / Shead

I'd much rather keep my double C combo / my only current SF on the roster and our only lottery pick for the foreseeable future. Again a PG is what we need

Fears, Traore, or another rookie point guard isn't going to make the Mavs better next season, it'll be at least a 3-4 year process and by then Irving and Davis will have aged out of the league. It would definite the purpose of having them, love or hate Nico, he wants to compete.

To compete, the Mavs need a stronger starting line up. Agbaji is as good of a perimeter 4th/5th option as you expect he shoots 50/40 from the field and 3pt range. Then RJ is an efficient 3rd option that can be used at PG and a 2nd or even 1st option when AD or Irving are being rested. They're both ~25, so still young but old enough to contribute to a competitive team that hopes to make a playoff run.

[mademan]

You got an older core, developing prospects isn't in the window.

Gafford, Washington, #11 for Barrett, Agbaji.

Lively / Powell
AD / Marshall
RJ / Thompson
Agbaji / Christie
Irving / Hardy

Poeltl / Gafford / Maluach (#7)
Barnes / Washington / Fleming (#11)
Ingram / Mogbo / Battle
Walter / Dick
Quickely / Shead

I'd much rather keep my double C combo / my only current SF on the roster and our only lottery pick for the foreseeable future. Again a PG is what we need

Fears, Traore, or another rookie point guard isn't going to make the Mavs better next season, it'll be at least a 3-4 year process and by then Irving and Davis will have aged out of the league. It would definite the purpose of having them, love or hate Nico, he wants to compete.

To compete, the Mavs need a stronger starting line up. Agbaji is as good of a perimeter 4th/5th option as you expect he shoots 50/40 from the field and 3pt range. Then RJ is an efficient 3rd option that can be used at PG and a 2nd or even 1st option when AD or Irving are being rested. They're both ~25, so still young but old enough to contribute to a competitive team that hopes to make a playoff run.

11>Agbaji
PJ>RJ

Dallas is overpaying here. RJ didnt have this value in NY so im not sure why he'd have it now. Dallas may be one of the few teams that would send out contracts and small value for RJ, but this is clearly far too much

[Tripod]

Gradey for Jovic...who.says no?

That’s a tough one. I’ve thought about that myself a few times.

Biggest pause I have on Raptors end is Jovic gets paid a year earlier at same time Agbaji is due.

Yeah that was a hesitation of mine too. And Yak likely has a new deal starting then too.

But I do think he would fit well in our system

[Thaddy]

I'd much rather keep my double C combo / my only current SF on the roster and our only lottery pick for the foreseeable future. Again a PG is what we need

Fears, Traore, or another rookie point guard isn't going to make the Mavs better next season, it'll be at least a 3-4 year process and by then Irving and Davis will have aged out of the league. It would definite the purpose of having them, love or hate Nico, he wants to compete.

To compete, the Mavs need a stronger starting line up. Agbaji is as good of a perimeter 4th/5th option as you expect he shoots 50/40 from the field and 3pt range. Then RJ is an efficient 3rd option that can be used at PG and a 2nd or even 1st option when AD or Irving are being rested. They're both ~25, so still young but old enough to contribute to a competitive team that hopes to make a playoff run.

11>Agbaji
PJ>RJ

Dallas is overpaying here. RJ didnt have this value in NY so im not sure why he'd have it now. Dallas may be one of the few teams that would send out contracts and small value for RJ, but this is clearly far too much

Most 11th picks worked out because they went to bad teams where they could develop. Dallas is looking to win now. They aren't a great development team either and their last few picks have looked terrible. Agbaji could fit into the line up be good right away, he's improved from last season and it's very possible that continues in Dallas. This just isn't the time to bank on

RJ isn't the same player he was in NY. His efficiency is much better. If he plays next to good spacers like Irving and AD it will make him look even better. We saw him get more deflections this year and his TS% is much higher in Toronto than what it was in NY. This year we saw his playmaking and P&R efficiency rise too. If the Mavs win 50-60 games next year with a healthy squad there's a good chance RJ could even be an all star.