Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

[DreamTeam09]

I'd much rather IQ + RJ next to Barnes than just JA. I'd rather IQ at 35mill with pull up 3 ability next to Barnes n Ingram compared to JA at 50+mill with no 3

Would you rather Ja/Ochai starting vs IQ/RJ?

IQ+RJ / the salary trade off doesn't equate to that significant enough of an impact

[Mattatron]

Traded multiple better players because of this guy

No, that's not true. MU traded them too late and because their time in TO was done. Those multiple better players, you called them, got us a 41 wins season with a play in exit season and a 27 wins season. Wow, we were so good with them, so good that they cost us 100M$+ per year. This team had reached it's maximum. C'mon don't be such a whiny p****.

[Troubadour]

For those of you that are kind of down on Scottie's current development & future development, would you rather they drafted Suggs?

To be honest, my bigger regret there is not drafting Sengun

Go back to 2021 and have VanVleet / GTJ / OG / Siakam / Sengun and you at least have a roster that makes some sense. Ideally we wouldn't have traded Norm either.

[djsunyc]

barring some crazy shooting/dribbling development, i think i prefer scottie in the post and operating out of there for scoring.

[djsunyc]

For those of you that are kind of down on Scottie's current development & future development, would you rather they drafted Suggs?

To be honest, my bigger regret there is not drafting Sengun

Go back to 2021 and have VanVleet / GTJ / OG / Siakam / Sengun and you at least have a roster that makes some sense. Ideally we wouldn't have traded Norm either.

suggs wouldve fit right in culture wise and fans and media wouldve pushed him as the next lowry. we probably also re-sign one of og and pascal. dont think we would have much higher future prospects but the look of the team would be much different. sengun wasnt on the radar for anyone in the top 10 let alone 4.

[ciueli]

For those of you that are kind of down on Scottie's current development & future development, would you rather they drafted Suggs?

To be honest, my bigger regret there is not drafting Sengun

Go back to 2021 and have VanVleet / GTJ / OG / Siakam / Sengun and you at least have a roster that makes some sense. Ideally we wouldn't have traded Norm either.

suggs wouldve fit right in culture wise and fans and media wouldve pushed him as the next lowry. we probably also re-sign one of og and pascal. dont think we would have much higher future prospects but the look of the team would be much different. sengun wasnt on the radar for anyone in the top 10 let alone 4.

To me he was absolutely a top 10 pick, I thought he was clearly the 2nd best C prospect in the draft and he was the next C taken, it's just that teams are really undervaluing the C position right now so he fell all the way to 16. For me it was either him or Wagner at 8, I actually wasn't sure Wagner would still be on the board at 8 so I thought he would be a good pivot if we fell as we desperately needed a C. We all forgot about prospects in this range once we moved up though so we never really got deep into a debate about it.

[Raps in 4]

For those of you that are kind of down on Scottie's current development & future development, would you rather they drafted Suggs?

No. But I am disappointed that we didn't draft Franz or Sengun instead. At the time, I thought Sengun's size would limit him and I didn't even have Franz on my radar.

I haven't forsaken Scottie completely yet, but I'm not optimistic about his development anymore.

[Troubadour]

For those of you that are kind of down on Scottie's current development & future development, would you rather they drafted Suggs?

To be honest, my bigger regret there is not drafting Sengun

Go back to 2021 and have VanVleet / GTJ / OG / Siakam / Sengun and you at least have a roster that makes some sense. Ideally we wouldn't have traded Norm either.

suggs wouldve fit right in culture wise and fans and media wouldve pushed him as the next lowry. we probably also re-sign one of og and pascal. dont think we would have much higher future prospects but the look of the team would be much different. sengun wasnt on the radar for anyone in the top 10 let alone 4.

Ringer had him at 9th on their big board. Vecenie for The Athletic had him 8th on his big board; Hollinger had Sengun top five. It would have been a shock to see Sengun go 4th, but not out of the realm of possibility.

[Tripod]

Crazy how people wanted Franz and Segun but no stories about wanting Kuminga, Davion, Zaire, etc...

Weird.

[Tha Cynic]

Crazy how people wanted Franz and Segun but no stories about wanting Kuminga, Davion, Zaire, etc...

Weird.

Our fanbase just gets very emotional lol. You can see it in the Siakam thread where people who were bitching about the Raptors trading for Poeltl are now emotional because Siakam had a good game 2.

Imo you’re going to see players in this draft class flip flop every season. There were a lot of good players who came out of it.

[NinjaBro]

For those of you that are kind of down on Scottie's current development & future development, would you rather they drafted Suggs?

To be honest, my bigger regret there is not drafting Sengun

Go back to 2021 and have VanVleet / GTJ / OG / Siakam / Sengun and you at least have a roster that makes some sense. Ideally we wouldn't have traded Norm either.

suggs wouldve fit right in culture wise and fans and media wouldve pushed him as the next lowry. we probably also re-sign one of og and pascal. dont think we would have much higher future prospects but the look of the team would be much different. sengun wasnt on the radar for anyone in the top 10 let alone 4.

Holinger had us picking Sengun in his mock draft and everyone laughed at him. Holinger got the last laugh. He had Sengun and Barnes real high.

[Tripod]

Crazy how people wanted Franz and Segun but no stories about wanting Kuminga, Davion, Zaire, etc...

Weird.

Our fanbase just gets very emotional lol. You can see it in the Siakam thread where people who were bitching about the Raptors trading for Poeltl are now emotional because Siakam had a good game 2.

Imo you’re going to see players in this draft class flip flop every season. There were a lot of good players who came out of it.

Yup. I said the same thing back then...it had no superstar but lots of good players where each year, a different guy could be the "best" that year.

Reality is, it's been 4 years and Barnes was the ROTY and the 1st All Star. He has been in that "best guy" talk in 2 of the years...the other 2 he hasn't. That's good for the #4 pick. And now it's on him to try and take the next step forward.

But as I also said last month, I personally dont want him chasing accolades...I want the team to focus on winning games next year. And we are set up like the Pacers where there isn't a 26+ppg superstar...but on any given night, we could have different guys leading us in scoring. Go hunt mismatches.

[mdenny]

To be honest, my bigger regret there is not drafting Sengun

Go back to 2021 and have VanVleet / GTJ / OG / Siakam / Sengun and you at least have a roster that makes some sense. Ideally we wouldn't have traded Norm either.

suggs wouldve fit right in culture wise and fans and media wouldve pushed him as the next lowry. we probably also re-sign one of og and pascal. dont think we would have much higher future prospects but the look of the team would be much different. sengun wasnt on the radar for anyone in the top 10 let alone 4.

Holinger had us picking Sengun in his mock draft and everyone laughed at him. Holinger got the last laugh. He had Sengun and Barnes real high.

Sengun has an advantage with a veteran like Fred showing him the ropes and tons of athletic young players around him to convert assists.

I don't think sengun wouldve necessarily thrived in a different environment, without Fred's guidance. But credit sengun also for his humility and openness in listening to the vets.

It's so awesome to watch the wisdom pass down from the vets to the new generations of stars:

https://youtu.be/4tfI-_L868o?si=cogE8BGZfS3qN7wA

[Tripod]

suggs wouldve fit right in culture wise and fans and media wouldve pushed him as the next lowry. we probably also re-sign one of og and pascal. dont think we would have much higher future prospects but the look of the team would be much different. sengun wasnt on the radar for anyone in the top 10 let alone 4.

Holinger had us picking Sengun in his mock draft and everyone laughed at him. Holinger got the last laugh. He had Sengun and Barnes real high.

Sengun has an advantage with a veteran like Fred showing him the ropes and tons of athletic young players around him to convert assists.

I don't think sengun wouldve necessarily thrived in a different environment, without Fred's guidance. But credit sengun also for his humility and openness in listening to the vets.

It's so awesome to watch the wisdom pass down from the vets to the new generations of stars:

https://youtu.be/4tfI-_L868o?si=cogE8BGZfS3qN7wA

Are you related to Fred?

[mdenny]

Holinger had us picking Sengun in his mock draft and everyone laughed at him. Holinger got the last laugh. He had Sengun and Barnes real high.

Sengun has an advantage with a veteran like Fred showing him the ropes and tons of athletic young players around him to convert assists.

I don't think sengun wouldve necessarily thrived in a different environment, without Fred's guidance. But credit sengun also for his humility and openness in listening to the vets.

It's so awesome to watch the wisdom pass down from the vets to the new generations of stars:

https://youtu.be/4tfI-_L868o?si=cogE8BGZfS3qN7wA

Are you related to Fred?

It's disingenuous to assert that my defense of fred is extreme. Think about all the false narratives that CONTINUE on this board that have been proven to be completely false.

The raptor beat writers were biased against scotty, Jack Armstrong was biased against scotty, Fred held scotty back, Pascal held scotty back, Nurse held scotty back, thaddeus young (yet another vet) was out of line for calling out scotty, we had no leaders, Fred is not a real point guard, Pascal is selfish, etc etc etc.

Ppl needed to make a laundry list of false claims just to maintain a pipe dream vision of what scotty was.

It could not be more clear, at this time, that all of those beliefs were the exact opposite of the truth. Scotty has been the problem. And the increased scrutiny is coming. Trust me. He's been treated with kid gloves up til now.

I'm kinda concerned....because of my prediction is correct and scotty's rep takes a huge hit next season....it's gonna significantly depreciate our most important asset. That's why I'm on board with most proposed scotty trades before his value drops more.

[NinjaBro]

Sengun has an advantage with a veteran like Fred showing him the ropes and tons of athletic young players around him to convert assists.

I don't think sengun wouldve necessarily thrived in a different environment, without Fred's guidance. But credit sengun also for his humility and openness in listening to the vets.

It's so awesome to watch the wisdom pass down from the vets to the new generations of stars:

https://youtu.be/4tfI-_L868o?si=cogE8BGZfS3qN7wA

Are you related to Fred?

It's disingenuous to assert that my defense of fred is extreme. Think about all the false narratives that CONTINUE on this board that have been proven to be completely false.

The raptor beat writers were biased against scotty, Jack Armstrong was biased against scotty, Fred held scotty back, Pascal held scotty back, Nurse held scotty back, thaddeus young (yet another vet) was out of line for calling out scotty, we had no leaders, Fred is not a real point guard, Pascal is selfish, etc etc etc.

Ppl needed to make a laundry list of false claims just to maintain a pipe dream vision of what scotty was.

It could not be more clear, at this time, that all of those beliefs were the exact opposite of the truth. Scotty has been the problem. And the increased scrutiny is coming. Trust me. He's been treated with kid gloves up til now.

I'm kinda concerned....because of my prediction is correct and scotty's rep takes a huge hit next season....it's gonna significantly depreciate our most important asset.

We found Grange's burner account

[Los_29]

Not sure why anyone would want Sengun after watching him in the playoffs. He was awful.

[Tripod]

Sengun has an advantage with a veteran like Fred showing him the ropes and tons of athletic young players around him to convert assists.

I don't think sengun wouldve necessarily thrived in a different environment, without Fred's guidance. But credit sengun also for his humility and openness in listening to the vets.

It's so awesome to watch the wisdom pass down from the vets to the new generations of stars:

https://youtu.be/4tfI-_L868o?si=cogE8BGZfS3qN7wA

Are you related to Fred?

It's disingenuous to assert that my defense of fred is extreme. Think about all the false narratives that CONTINUE on this board that have been proven to be completely false.

The raptor beat writers were biased against scotty, Jack Armstrong was biased against scotty, Fred held scotty back, Pascal held scotty back, Nurse held scotty back, thaddeus young (yet another vet) was out of line for calling out scotty, we had no leaders, Fred is not a real point guard, Pascal is selfish, etc etc etc.

Ppl needed to make a laundry list of false claims just to maintain a pipe dream vision of what scotty was.

It could not be more clear, at this time, that all of those beliefs were the exact opposite of the truth. Scotty has been the problem. And the increased scrutiny is coming. Trust me. He's been treated with kid gloves up til now.

I'm kinda concerned....because of my prediction is correct and scotty's rep takes a huge hit next season....it's gonna significantly depreciate our most important asset.

So yes, you are related to Fred?

You talk about Barnes and cult but you are the cult leader for Fred. It's all good, you are allowed to have your favorites.

I just genuinely wondered if you were related to Fred since he does no wrong in your eyes. And yes, you are extreme.

[mdenny]

Not sure why anyone would want Sengun after watching him in the playoffs. He was awful.

Really? I thouught he was pretty up and down. Had some bad games and good games. Jalen Green was their worst performer by far (except for 1 game where he scored 30).

And the good thing about sengun....even when he has a bad game he still does something to contribute. Which is kinda like scotty too. They aren't the type of players who arent all or nothing. They always give you something...unlike Green.

But there were definitely stretches where Fred and Dillon were the only guys who didn't look shook.

[mdenny]

Are you related to Fred?

It's disingenuous to assert that my defense of fred is extreme. Think about all the false narratives that CONTINUE on this board that have been proven to be completely false.

The raptor beat writers were biased against scotty, Jack Armstrong was biased against scotty, Fred held scotty back, Pascal held scotty back, Nurse held scotty back, thaddeus young (yet another vet) was out of line for calling out scotty, we had no leaders, Fred is not a real point guard, Pascal is selfish, etc etc etc.

Ppl needed to make a laundry list of false claims just to maintain a pipe dream vision of what scotty was.

It could not be more clear, at this time, that all of those beliefs were the exact opposite of the truth. Scotty has been the problem. And the increased scrutiny is coming. Trust me. He's been treated with kid gloves up til now.

I'm kinda concerned....because of my prediction is correct and scotty's rep takes a huge hit next season....it's gonna significantly depreciate our most important asset.

So yes, you are related to Fred?

You talk about Barnes and cult but you are the cult leader for Fred. It's all good, you are allowed to have your favorites.

I just genuinely wondered if you were related to Fred since he does no wrong in your eyes. And yes, you are extreme.

Dude....anyone who didn't believe a whole bunch of false claims about Fred was called a "Fred stan". That's how far the Overton window had shifted because of the scotty cult.

You had to believe that he was a selfish player who couldn't play point guard and was a horrible teammate or YOUR view was perceived as extreme.

Go read the 100 page thread announcing Fred had signed with the rockets and see how wrong everyone was. And also how extreme the median perception had become.

Hell go read the 8 pages of fred hate after game 1 of the rockets/warriors series. This board has a seriously warped perception of fred.