The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

TeamDisgruntled · Post #1081 » by **TeamDisgruntled** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:01 pm

Can we please just stumble our way into the bottom 5 this year. I know that’s sac religious on this board but when/if Lowry and Powell return in 2021/22(at least 1 will) we’re stuck in this no mans land of being capped out while also being good enough to finish 4-6 every year but do nothing in the playoffs.

We literally need to stumble just this ONE TIME and find ourselves in the bottom 5. Suggs, Cade, Mobley, Kuminga, Green all pass the eye test as game changers.

When our core guys + the rook is in year 2-4 of this cycle and LeBron and the nets are near the end we could make noise.

Indeed · Post #1082 » by **Indeed** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:04 pm

TeamDisgruntled wrote:Can we please just stumble our way into the bottom 5 this year. I know that’s sac religious on this board but when/if Lowry and Powell return in 2021/22(at least 1 will) we’re stuck in this no mans land of being capped out while also being good enough to finish 4-6 every year but do nothing in the playoffs.

We literally need to stumble just this ONE TIME and find ourselves in the bottom 5. Suggs, Cade, Mobley, Kuminga, Green all pass the eye test as game changers.

When our core guys + the rook is in year 2-4 of this cycle and LeBron and the nets are near the end we could make noise.

I rather trade up, and many bottom teams would trade for someone who already developed anyway.
Even drafting around the top 10 would work. Someone like Leonard (raw with potential) would be around that 8 - 18 spot.

Psubs · Post #1083 » by **Psubs** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:53 pm

Indeed wrote:
TeamDisgruntled wrote:Can we please just stumble our way into the bottom 5 this year. I know that’s sac religious on this board but when/if Lowry and Powell return in 2021/22(at least 1 will) we’re stuck in this no mans land of being capped out while also being good enough to finish 4-6 every year but do nothing in the playoffs.

We literally need to stumble just this ONE TIME and find ourselves in the bottom 5. Suggs, Cade, Mobley, Kuminga, Green all pass the eye test as game changers.

When our core guys + the rook is in year 2-4 of this cycle and LeBron and the nets are near the end we could make noise.

I rather trade up, and many bottom teams would trade for someone who already developed anyway.
Even drafting around the top 10 would work. Someone like Leonard (raw with potential) would be around that 8 - 18 spot.

Who's a Kawhi like player? I'd say Kuminga. :lol:

Indeed · Post #1084 » by **Indeed** » Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:40 pm

Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:
TeamDisgruntled wrote:Can we please just stumble our way into the bottom 5 this year. I know that’s sac religious on this board but when/if Lowry and Powell return in 2021/22(at least 1 will) we’re stuck in this no mans land of being capped out while also being good enough to finish 4-6 every year but do nothing in the playoffs.

We literally need to stumble just this ONE TIME and find ourselves in the bottom 5. Suggs, Cade, Mobley, Kuminga, Green all pass the eye test as game changers.

When our core guys + the rook is in year 2-4 of this cycle and LeBron and the nets are near the end we could make noise.

I rather trade up, and many bottom teams would trade for someone who already developed anyway.
Even drafting around the top 10 would work. Someone like Leonard (raw with potential) would be around that 8 - 18 spot.

Who's a Kawhi like player? I'd say Kuminga.

We might have to wait for the measurement.

PhilBlackson · Post #1085 » by **PhilBlackson** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:45 am

Indeed wrote:
TeamDisgruntled wrote:Can we please just stumble our way into the bottom 5 this year. I know that’s sac religious on this board but when/if Lowry and Powell return in 2021/22(at least 1 will) we’re stuck in this no mans land of being capped out while also being good enough to finish 4-6 every year but do nothing in the playoffs.

We literally need to stumble just this ONE TIME and find ourselves in the bottom 5. Suggs, Cade, Mobley, Kuminga, Green all pass the eye test as game changers.

When our core guys + the rook is in year 2-4 of this cycle and LeBron and the nets are near the end we could make noise.

I rather trade up, and many bottom teams would trade for someone who already developed anyway.
Even drafting around the top 10 would work. Someone like Leonard (raw with potential) would be around that 8 - 18 spot.

While I think it's pretty damn tough to call which prospects fit that "raw" profile of Kawhi or Giannis in that 8-18 spot, I would say the few that fit that billing for me is Scottie Barnes, Jalen Johnson or Isaiah Todd (or much lesser degree Kai Jones) - Todd is becoming more n more intriguing to me because his combination of height and shooting ability. Praying any of those first 3 fall to us and our development team get a chance to work with them because they're better and more skilled players at the same age that our core players were that in combination with our developmental staff give me hope maybe lightening can strike to some degree like those guys...

But I will also say that think in that 8-15 (in the lottery....not typically past) is also where the Bookers, Thompsons, Herro type players have been found and might be more likely to be there when we pick and to me the guys that may fit that billing are Moody, Bouknight and Christopher.

I still like guys like Ayo, Nix but imo they are more the Brogdon, Holiday type ceilings which is a very nice piece to have but not really gonna take the team up that huge of a notch where as the aforementioned groups of players I think can, the second group of scorers and developing a much needed go to scorer would still be a big improvement. With the 1st group (Barnes, JJ, Todd) being the highest upside IF we do a tremendous job developing them.

Indeed · Post #1086 » by **Indeed** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:09 pm

Undraft pool to look at (not surprised they will raise):
Isaiah Mobley
Derrick Alston Jr
Chris Smith
Landers Nolley II
Trendon Watford
Joel Ayayi

Dalek · Post #1087 » by **Dalek** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:09 pm

I know people are slow to warm to Deuce McBride but this man is a giant killer. Here he is harassing Cade into a turnover and then the dunking on him a couple plays later.

Read on Twitter

?s=20

Psubs · Post #1088 » by **Psubs** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:27 pm

Indeed wrote:Undraft pool to look at (not surprised they will raise):
Isaiah Mobley
Derrick Alston Jr
Chris Smith
Landers Nolley II
Trendon Watford
Joel Ayayi

You don't think Joel Ayayi will get drafted?!?!?

He's like Delon Wright with Rajon Rondo rebounding.

Utah should take him at #30 since Gobert is French. :lol:

PG Conley - Ayayi
SG Mitchell - Clarkson
SF O'Neale - Ingles
PF Bogdanovic - Niang
C Gobert - Favors - Azubuike

Psubs · Post #1089 » by **Psubs** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:46 pm

Dalek wrote:I know people are slow to warm to Deuce McBride but this man is a giant killer. Here he is harassing Cade into a turnover and then the dunking on him a couple plays later.

Read on Twitter
?s=20

He should stay 1 more year to secure himself as a 1st round pick. Unless he can take WV to the Final Four and get enough hype.

Indeed · Post #1090 » by **Indeed** » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:51 pm

Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:Undraft pool to look at (not surprised they will raise):
Isaiah Mobley
Derrick Alston Jr
Chris Smith
Landers Nolley II
Trendon Watford
Joel Ayayi

You don't think Joel Ayayi will get drafted?!?!?

He's like Delon Wright with Rajon Rondo rebounding.

Utah should take him at #30 since Gobert is French.

PG Conley - Ayayi
SG Mitchell - Clarkson
SF O'Neale - Ingles
PF Bogdanovic - Niang
C Gobert - Favors - Azubuike

Some website rank him just below 60, but same thought that he is very similar to Wright.
Meanwhile, I have Mathurin ahead of him, and both may be around the high 2nd round.

This draft is so deep that you can find these players in high 2nd, and above that with Davion Mitchell, Nix, also Giddey may just be below them. All these can be rotation player, 6th man or borderline starter, where it is hardly to find these players in other drafts.

Chandan · Post #1091 » by **Chandan** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:07 am

WICTORY BABY!

Psubs · Post #1092 » by **Psubs** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:17 am

Indeed wrote:Some website rank him just below 60, but same thought that he is very similar to Wright.
Meanwhile, I have Mathurin ahead of him, and both may be around the high 2nd round.

This draft is so deep that you can find these players in high 2nd, and above that with Davion Mitchell, Nix, also Giddey may just be below them. All these can be rotation player, 6th man or borderline starter, where it is hardly to find these players in other drafts.

Is Giddey like Satoransky 2.0? Do not care for him at all.

Watching Baynes miss layups makes me just want Jay Huff at 7'1 and just dunk those 3 this game. That's 6 extra points!

Indeed · Post #1093 » by **Indeed** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:29 am

Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:Some website rank him just below 60, but same thought that he is very similar to Wright.
Meanwhile, I have Mathurin ahead of him, and both may be around the high 2nd round.

This draft is so deep that you can find these players in high 2nd, and above that with Davion Mitchell, Nix, also Giddey may just be below them. All these can be rotation player, 6th man or borderline starter, where it is hardly to find these players in other drafts.

Is Giddey like Satoransky 2.0? Do not care for him at all.

Watching Baynes miss layups makes me just want Jay Huff at 7'1 and just dunk those 3 this game. That's 6 extra points!

I thought Huff would be a bit slow against the PnR, I see him as Rasho, and that could be a 2nd round pick.
I prefer Isaiah Jackson who is shooting 70% from free throw, which I thought he would be a better 3+D at C.

As for Giddey, I think he is a bit more competitive. He should be LaMelo Ball lite, ranking around bottom 1st:
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/nba/news/nbl-next-stars-how-does-josh-giddey-stack-up-to-lamelo-balls-rookie-season-in-the-nbl/18s5gdm8e3sic15imiwlza8xzr

Now we are drafting near the #12 pick, maybe best to draft a lead guard to help VanVleet in playmaking.

Psubs · Post #1094 » by **Psubs** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:59 am

Watch on YouTube

HeadtopChunes · Post #1095 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:06 am

Psubs wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

really has HOF talent imo

TorontoRapsFan · Post #1096 » by **TorontoRapsFan** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:02 am

I don't see what the big deal is with this draft in terms of star players. I see a lot of players that can be starters, fringe all stars. The only all star all NBA potential players I see so far are Cunningham, and Mobley only if his legs are a lot stronger than they look.

Indeed · Post #1097 » by **Indeed** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:40 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Psubs wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

really has HOF talent imo

Reminds me of Bosh, maybe less explosive, but a better passer?

Psubs · Post #1098 » by **Psubs** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:36 pm

Indeed wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
Psubs wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

really has HOF talent imo

Reminds me of Bosh, maybe less explosive, but a better passer?

Less handles but 7ft tall, so maybe more like KG than Bosh.

Dalek · Post #1099 » by **Dalek** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:25 pm

Poku had himself a game going for 14 and 8 with 3 assists last night in a win. I think he might the youngest player in the NBA currently and he has a skinnier frame than Boucher, but here is getting a start.

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Z.Highlights

I find it interesting because here is a guy who could not shoot consistently, was rail thin and thought to be a Bruno type of project that would be years away from getting it together, but here he is now in the NBA. It is just interesting to think about reframing how you look at talent.

If you find yourself asking questions about player highlight (how did he pull that off?) he might have something. Look at those flashes of talent you see in a prospect, plus crazy physical attributes and the player's willingness to play fearless, they are guys you want to take a chance on in the NBA. Guys like Bol Bol and now Poku are proving doubters wrong.

This year, Kai Jones just in limited looks is looking like an NBA freak athlete with a willingness to shoot. How does a 6'11 guy do this?

Spoiler:

My other guy is Dalano Banton. Really is a 6'9" PG that has advanced feel for the game that at his height can see over most defenses.

Spoiler:

Psubs · Post #1100 » by **Psubs** » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:03 pm

Dalek wrote:Poku had himself a game going for 14 and 8 with 3 assists last night in a win. I think he might the youngest player in the NBA currently and he has a skinnier frame than Boucher, but here is getting a start.

Watch on YouTube
;ab_channel=Z.Highlights

I find it interesting because here is a guy who could not shoot consistently, was rail thin and thought to be a Bruno type of project that would be years away from getting it together, but here he is now in the NBA. It is just interesting to think about reframing how you look at talent.

If you find yourself asking questions about player highlight (how did he pull that off?) he might have something. Look at those flashes of talent you see in a prospect, plus crazy physical attributes and the player's willingness to play fearless, they are guys you want to take a chance on in the NBA. Guys like Bol Bol and now Poku are proving doubters wrong.

This year, Kai Jones just in limited looks is looking like an NBA freak athlete with a willingness to shoot. How does a 6'11 guy do this?

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter
?s=20

My other guy is Dalano Banton. Really is a 6'9" PG that has advanced feel for the game that at his height can see over most defenses.

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter
?s=20

Poku is like Bol Bol. Poku gets PT because OKC is in rebuilding mode, when Denver is trying to compete.

Teams have missed, like Tskitishvili, Dragan Bender, Jonanthon Bender, etc.

There is Chet Holmgren next year but he's a #1 pick.

I don't see a young Poku this year. There are older bigs like Petrusev and Huff, that can shoot the 3. Neither have the guard ball-handling skills though. Maybe 6'8 Giddey is a project more like Lamelo Ball.

Kai Jones, doesn't get many steals or blocks and is more like a taller Bruno right now. Which is pretty useful. Maybe Isaiah Todd is a 6'10 project worth taking.