2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[agkagk]

I think at times we can become preoccupied with the "Losing an asset for nothing" argument;
I get it and it sucks but in this case its a little different.

Had we dealt Lowry at the deadline for an expiring and a middling asset(s) then we walk into summer with cap space and stuff;
The issue with an S&T is that we are taking back likely some junk by way of salary ballast to make a potential S&T work.

S&Ting Lowry is fine but he isn't the only asset going outbound, all our cap space goes along with him.
At this point I would rather re-sign Lowry or just let him walk unless an S&T yields something worth our while to exchange our space for and a late 1st isnt that.

The question should be are we getting better players than Kuzma and KCP with our cap space especially since the free agents aren't really good this year?

Assuming we draft Suggs or green

I think I’d take Kelly olynyk over that duo.

Better fit.

[alpngso]

Wonder what we could get for taking on Steven Adams. I heard his salary goes down to like 18 mil/year instead of 25?

[Bruin]

If the Cavs draft Mobley, is it in any way possible for us to facilitate a 3 way deal with them to get Allen and send Lowry to Philly? Philly can send whatever compensation that they’d give us for Lowry to Cleveland instead. Could do this to entice the Cavs to not match an offer sheet that we’d throw at Allen

Something like

Lowry to Philly
Allen to Toronto
Green, Reed, 2022 FRP (Philly) to Cleveland

[tecumseh18]

If the Cavs draft Mobley, is it in any way possible for us to facilitate a 3 way deal with them to get Allen and send Lowry to Philly? Philly can send whatever compensation that they’d give us for Lowry to Cleveland instead. Could do this to entice the Cavs to not match an offer sheet that we’d throw at Allen

Something like

Lowry to Philly
Allen to Toronto
Green, Reed, 2022 FRP (Philly) to Cleveland

Green is a FA and out of the picture. Like Baynes and Hood, nobody is going to re-sign him (or guarantee them) to that horrendous contract.

Kyle will only end up in Philly as the result of a Simmons trade. That's the only major salary they've got that they're clearly willing to trade. I don't think George Hill is enough to get it done, unless Seth Curry is added. Is that what Raps want?

[Rapsfan07]

If it comes down to Kuz and a first or Hill, Curry and a first, Maxey or Thybulle for Lowry, I'm going with the Lakers package.

Sure, we can go back and forth about the capspace lost in a S&T but chances are we won't be able to sign anyone better than Kuz and KCP with that space anyway.

We'd run into a bit of a logjam with FVV, Flynn, GTJ, Suggs and KCP all looking for minutes but here's where we'd create a package for a C.

[billy_hoyle]

If it comes down to Kuz and a first or Hill, Curry and a first, Maxey or Thybulle for Lowry, I'm going with the Lakers package.

Sure, we can go back and forth about the capspace lost in a S&T but chances are we won't be able to sign anyone better than Kuz and KCP with that space anyway.

We'd run into a bit of a logjam with FVV, Flynn, GTJ, Suggs and KCP all looking for minutes but here's where we'd create a package for a C.

I like Curry, Thybulle and a 1st from Philly, if that's possible. I doubt it tho.

I'd look to trade Curry for assets afterwards, he's too redundant with GTJ.

Thybulle and a 1st works with Mobley or Suggs IMO.

Imagine the D for this lineup:
FVV
Thybulle
OG
Siakam
Mobley

It might be a top 3 defender at each position...

[Rapsfan07]

If it comes down to Kuz and a first or Hill, Curry and a first, Maxey or Thybulle for Lowry, I'm going with the Lakers package.

Sure, we can go back and forth about the capspace lost in a S&T but chances are we won't be able to sign anyone better than Kuz and KCP with that space anyway.

We'd run into a bit of a logjam with FVV, Flynn, GTJ, Suggs and KCP all looking for minutes but here's where we'd create a package for a C.

I like Curry, Thybulle and a 1st from Philly, if that's possible. I doubt it tho.

I'd look to trade Curry for assets afterwards, he's too redundant with GTJ.

Thybulle and a 1st works with Mobley or Suggs IMO.

Imagine the D for this lineup:
FVV
Thybulle
OG
Siakam
Mobley

It might be a top 3 defender at each position...

Probably. And no one to score the ball

[Raptors_128]

If it comes down to Kuz and a first or Hill, Curry and a first, Maxey or Thybulle for Lowry, I'm going with the Lakers package.

Sure, we can go back and forth about the capspace lost in a S&T but chances are we won't be able to sign anyone better than Kuz and KCP with that space anyway.

We'd run into a bit of a logjam with FVV, Flynn, GTJ, Suggs and KCP all looking for minutes but here's where we'd create a package for a C.

I like Curry, Thybulle and a 1st from Philly, if that's possible. I doubt it tho.

I'd look to trade Curry for assets afterwards, he's too redundant with GTJ.

Thybulle and a 1st works with Mobley or Suggs IMO.

Imagine the D for this lineup:
FVV
Thybulle
OG
Siakam
Mobley

It might be a top 3 defender at each position...

Probably. And no one to score the ball

It doesn’t matter how good your defense is if you can’t stay on the floor. Thybulle’s offense is non-existent

He averaged a staggering 3.9 ppg on 42/30/44 shooting splits.

That dude is so overrated.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

If it comes down to Kuz and a first or Hill, Curry and a first, Maxey or Thybulle for Lowry, I'm going with the Lakers package.

Sure, we can go back and forth about the capspace lost in a S&T but chances are we won't be able to sign anyone better than Kuz and KCP with that space anyway.

We'd run into a bit of a logjam with FVV, Flynn, GTJ, Suggs and KCP all looking for minutes but here's where we'd create a package for a C.

why wouldn't you want the philly package. curry is proven scorer in playoffs, maxey/thybulle bring some sort of value on the court be it defensive or offensive.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

If the Cavs draft Mobley, is it in any way possible for us to facilitate a 3 way deal with them to get Allen and send Lowry to Philly? Philly can send whatever compensation that they’d give us for Lowry to Cleveland instead. Could do this to entice the Cavs to not match an offer sheet that we’d throw at Allen

Something like

Lowry to Philly
Allen to Toronto
Green, Reed, 2022 FRP (Philly) to Cleveland

That would be perfect but then what value would Cleveland accept for Allen when they're ready to give him the max now.

[Fast_Feets]

Lowry will do lowry. He is pretty clear in that he loves the team but when it comes to $ nothing else matters. He will go for 30+ for a 2 year contract. He knows this is his last big one and will try to get it with a competitive team or use the hometeam card to pressure the raptors in retaining him if there are no other options. The raps would be foolish to do that as much as we like hte guy he is not kobe who draws fans and sells jerseys to make up for the decline. Even Boston knows when to sell before the decline. KG, paul pierce, rondo, Sometimes gotta start fresh.

I don't think a sign and trade with lowry will be good as raps will have to take a huge amount of junk back to balance the books

[Rapsfan07]

If it comes down to Kuz and a first or Hill, Curry and a first, Maxey or Thybulle for Lowry, I'm going with the Lakers package.

Sure, we can go back and forth about the capspace lost in a S&T but chances are we won't be able to sign anyone better than Kuz and KCP with that space anyway.

We'd run into a bit of a logjam with FVV, Flynn, GTJ, Suggs and KCP all looking for minutes but here's where we'd create a package for a C.

why wouldn't you want the philly package. curry is proven scorer in playoffs, maxey/thybulle bring some sort of value on the court be it defensive or offensive.

Because Curry is already 31 next month and Maxey/Thybulle are middling prospects.

And also because I think Kuzma has long term value as a hybrid forward that's young and reasonably paid.

[Rapsfan07]

Lowry will do lowry. He is pretty clear in that he loves the team but when it comes to $ nothing else matters. He will go for 30+ for a 2 year contract. He knows this is his last big one and will try to get it with a competitive team or use the hometeam card to pressure the raptors in retaining him if there are no other options. The raps would be foolish to do that as much as we like hte guy he is not kobe who draws fans and sells jerseys to make up for the decline. Even Boston knows when to sell before the decline. KG, paul pierce, rondo, Sometimes gotta start fresh.

I don't think a sign and trade with lowry will be good as raps will have to take a huge amount of junk back to balance the books

I agree for the most part. A S&T would definitely have to be worth it or we'd be better off letting him go. There's a lot of people here who want to resign him to play here and just can't wrap my brain around it.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

If it comes down to Kuz and a first or Hill, Curry and a first, Maxey or Thybulle for Lowry, I'm going with the Lakers package.

Sure, we can go back and forth about the capspace lost in a S&T but chances are we won't be able to sign anyone better than Kuz and KCP with that space anyway.

We'd run into a bit of a logjam with FVV, Flynn, GTJ, Suggs and KCP all looking for minutes but here's where we'd create a package for a C.

why wouldn't you want the philly package. curry is proven scorer in playoffs, maxey/thybulle bring some sort of value on the court be it defensive or offensive.

Because Curry is already 31 next month and Maxey/Thybulle are middling prospects.

And also because I think Kuzma has long term value as a hybrid forward that's young and reasonably paid.

Would you be valuing kuzma this highly if he didn’t play for the Lakers.
And remember curry is a young 31. He doesn’t have a lot of miles on him.

[mademan]

Love to get THT from the Lakers. Think he could be a star with the right development. Lowry for THT/KCP/Kuz. Give em Bembry for bench depth. If we're looking for a Lowry S&T, THT should be target number 1

[MessiahUjiri]

Assuming we get Suggs, here’s a suggestion: A deal with the Indiana Pacers.


P Siakam and M Flynn
for
D Sabonis and C Lavert


Sabonis and Lavert can both get you 18-20ppg, and are both locked into reasonable deals. Sabonis ranked fourth in the NBA in rebounding (12 RPG), and led the Pacers in assists (6.7 APG). Had a team-leading 48 double-doubles and a franchise-record nine triple-doubles.

Flynn is in a Delon Wright situation where he will never see proper playing time with our roster makeup, so it’s time to capitalize on the asset.


Fred / Trent / Lavert / Anunoby / Sabonis
Suggs / Bembry / Boucher / Birch

We would have ~17M for free agency, and we can add Kelly Olynyk (PF / C), and a vet PG. Depending on lineups, we can start a front court of OG / Olynyk / Sabonis, and move Lavert to the bench as a super sub.

This lineup is young, athletic, able to pass, defend and score. I’d bet on them making the second round next year, and if Suggs develops like we think he will, we would have a solid 5 year window of contention.

[Asif16]

Assuming we get Suggs, here’s a suggestion: A deal with the Indiana Pacers.


P Siakam and M Flynn
for
D Sabonis and C Lavert


Sabonis and Lavert can both get you 18-20ppg, and are both locked into reasonable deals. Sabonis ranked fourth in the NBA in rebounding (12 RPG), and led the Pacers in assists (6.7 APG). Had a team-leading 48 double-doubles and a franchise-record nine triple-doubles.

Flynn is in a Delon Wright situation where he will never see proper playing time with our roster makeup, so it’s time to capitalize on the asset.


Fred / Trent / Lavert / Anunoby / Sabonis
Suggs / Bembry / Boucher / Birch

We would have ~17M for free agency, and we can add Kelly Olynyk (PF / C), and a vet PG. Depending on lineups, we can start a front court of OG / Olynyk / Sabonis, and move Lavert to the bench as a super sub.

This lineup is young, athletic, able to pass, defend and score. I’d bet on them making the second round next year, and if Suggs develops like we think he will, we would have a solid 5 year window of contention.

I actually wouldn't mind this. Siakam is a much better fit with Myles Turner. Pacers can run a Lineup around Brogdon/Warren/Siama/Turner. Which is solid defensively

Sabonis and Levert would be perfect fits with us.

[DangerZone13]

How about this for the bones of a trade: picks or small contract players moved as needed:

To 76ers: Lowry (2x$20M), Beasley, J. Hermangomez
Choose to get a lot more production from the backcourt. Lowry would have done wonders for them this Playoffs. Beasley, while seemingly troubled, is very talented, and with a vet leader like Kyle, this may feel like a safer bet. Hermangomez fills in while Embiid rests, and hangs in the dunker spot in big lineups. I assume Wolves send futures and swaps to sweeten this, but despite losing the biggest name player in the trade, I think they would be markedly better on the floor. Their choice of Milton, Thybulle, or Maxey, but one needs to move for salary, and NO value.

To Wolves: Simmons, Hill, Boucher
They could try running Russel, Edwards, Simmons, Boucher, Towns as a starting 5. If they re-up Boucher, and fill up the bench, that could be quite deadly offensively. They're likely sending pick swaps, and a couple future's to Philly, so they'll have to bank on FA, and late picks every other year to fill the bench.

To Pelicans: Rubio, Reid, Milton
Gives them expiring Lonzo insurance, and experience in Rubio. He seems like a good fit to groom Lewis for a year, with no ego about coming off the bench. Ried becomes the new big body on a cheap deal. Milton is a little Hart insurance.

To Raptors: Adams, NAW, Culver. Add a big bodied starting 5, and a couple of young wings to develop. Receive very useable cost-controlled assets for a S&T, and an expiring, but eat Adams' salary (which I'd be much happier about than Holmes for whatever he gets this summer if we're talking picking up a starting 5 this summer)


MLE a backup 4, LLE Birch, move OG up and slot in one of our 3 young wings (Trent?, NAW, Culver) until Pascal gets back. This is assuming Suggs/Green falls to us, but we'd have a solid starting 5, a pretty decent bench, and a lot of room to grow. Should fight for a playoff spot and get our #4 pick some early playoff reps, which would increase the odds they reach their ceiling.

FVV/Flynn/#47
#4/GTJ/Culver
OG/NAW/Yuta
Siakam/MLE/#46
Adams/Birch/Gillespie

[Rapsfan07]

Assuming we get Suggs, here’s a suggestion: A deal with the Indiana Pacers.


P Siakam and M Flynn
for
D Sabonis and C Lavert


Sabonis and Lavert can both get you 18-20ppg, and are both locked into reasonable deals. Sabonis ranked fourth in the NBA in rebounding (12 RPG), and led the Pacers in assists (6.7 APG). Had a team-leading 48 double-doubles and a franchise-record nine triple-doubles.

Flynn is in a Delon Wright situation where he will never see proper playing time with our roster makeup, so it’s time to capitalize on the asset.


Fred / Trent / Lavert / Anunoby / Sabonis
Suggs / Bembry / Boucher / Birch

We would have ~17M for free agency, and we can add Kelly Olynyk (PF / C), and a vet PG. Depending on lineups, we can start a front court of OG / Olynyk / Sabonis, and move Lavert to the bench as a super sub.

This lineup is young, athletic, able to pass, defend and score. I’d bet on them making the second round next year, and if Suggs develops like we think he will, we would have a solid 5 year window of contention.

I actually wouldn't mind this. Siakam is a much better fit with Myles Turner. Pacers can run a Lineup around Brogdon/Warren/Siama/Turner. Which is solid defensively

Sabonis and Levert would be perfect fits with us.

I may be in the minority but I like Levert a lot and obviously I like Turner.

My issue with this deal is it feels like we're filling a hole by creating another.

My goal would be to add Levert and Turner, though I'm not sure how realistic that is without giving up #4 or OG, which I'm not willing to do.

[OAKLEY_2]

Here is what Masai should do. A series of two 3-ways Toronto-Cleveland-Philly

Trade 1. 3 way. Love (protected first round pick) to Toronto, Lowry (S+T) to Philly, Simmons to Cleveland.
Trade 2. 3 way. Colin Sexten to Toronto. Seth Curry to Cleveland. Chris Boucher to Philly.
Proviso: Cleveland agrees to flip #3 for #4 either Green or Mobley to Toronto for presumably Suggs.
Lowry gets 2 years 60 mil from Philly.

PG: FVV, Sexten, Malachi
SG: Trent jr, Sexten, Bembry
SF: OG, Yuta, Watson
PF: Paskal, Love, Gillespie
Centre: Mobley, Birch, Filip Petrusev

Small point guard haters there are other teams...