2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Morris_Shatford]

Interesting.

My first thought when I heard Philly was looking to include Harris in any Simmons trade was that all of a sudden the need for expiring salary ballast has gone up.

As a potential fourth team in any trade;
Our expirings of Dragic, Boucher, and Bonga are enough to offset Simmons salary so any team looking to acquire Simmons could move some of the non-expiring deals to Toronto for our pile of expirings which could end up wherever with some light compensation to us.

Could also be a separate Harris deal where a forward-hungry team like Indiana, Sacramento, Cleveland or Minnesota sends us a player and we send Dragic and Boucher to Philly, and helping them get Harden is fine as it hurts the Nets.

Absolutely.
The more large salaries moving around the association at the deadline the more value large expirings become.

[Morris_Shatford]

Precious is just slowly starting coming into his own. I would hate to trade him.

I am with you there.
He is cheap, he locked up for at least the two more seasons on his rookie deal, he is 22, and he is a respectable rebounder.

He is 6th in total rebounds for his draft class but not in the top 20 for total minutes played.

We have a strong developmental system as well as good coaching;
The kid appears to have the foundation to be a good strong defensive 4/5, I would hate to deal him now for a bag of peanuts when we really don't have to.

[Ell Curry]

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Obviously can't speak for high level sports, but in every high school/amateur league I've played in (basketball and soccer) getting a player who is silent to communicate is basically impossible even by begging, shaming or yelling. It's way easier to get a selfish player to pass than turn a silent player into a communicative one on defence.

I read once that Auriemma routinely throws his star freshman at UConn out of practice for not doing it, which I would probably do after making it the first task of the sports psych people. It's crazy how important it is and how many athletes in team sports that have switching of coverages are silent.

[tecumseh18]

Obviously can't speak for high level sports, but in every high school/amateur league I've played in (basketball and soccer) getting a player who is silent to communicate is basically impossible even by begging, shaming or yelling. It's way easier to get a selfish player to pass than turn a silent player into a communicative one on defence.

I read once that Auriemma routinely throws his star freshman at UConn out of practice for not doing it, which I would probably do after making it the first task of the sports psych people. It's crazy how important it is and how many athletes in team sports that have switching of coverages are silent.

Raptors are trying to resolve a tax situation, so I understand why they didn't bring back Biz this year.

But (a) he's a way better finisher than Precious around the net, and (b) he was a strong vocal leader as defensive quarterback for the team when he played. Really useful guy to have. But ... it's a development season.

[Ell Curry]

Precious is just slowly starting coming into his own. I would hate to trade him.

I am with you there.
He is cheap, he locked up for at least the two more seasons on his rookie deal, he is 22, and he is a respectable rebounder.

He is 6th in total rebounds for his draft class but not in the top 20 for total minutes played.

We have a strong developmental system as well as good coaching;
The kid appears to have the foundation to be a good strong defensive 4/5, I would hate to deal him now for a bag of peanuts when we really don't have to.

In theory I agree with this but in practice he's 186/187 in True Shooting and he's a big man! He's literally one Jalen Suggs 3pter going in from being dead last!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_advanced.html

He just might not be able to finish inside well enough, or might take too many years to get there. He only shot 51% from 2 at Memphis, which is troubling. A similar 4/5 tweener maybe going late first round like Moussa Diabate is at 63% from 2, for instance.

For reference, Baynes shot 53% from 2 last year for us and Achiuwa is at 43%. Precious did score inside kinda badly at Miami but nowhere near this bad so that's a positive.

[OAKLEY_2]

Precious is just slowly starting coming into his own. I would hate to trade him.

I am with you there.
He is cheap, he locked up for at least the two more seasons on his rookie deal, he is 22, and he is a respectable rebounder.

He is 6th in total rebounds for his draft class but not in the top 20 for total minutes played.

We have a strong developmental system as well as good coaching;
The kid appears to have the foundation to be a good strong defensive 4/5, I would hate to deal him now for a bag of peanuts when we really don't have to.

Like as if Masai would ever in a million years consider trading Precious.

[Morris_Shatford]

Precious is just slowly starting coming into his own. I would hate to trade him.

I am with you there.
He is cheap, he locked up for at least the two more seasons on his rookie deal, he is 22, and he is a respectable rebounder.

He is 6th in total rebounds for his draft class but not in the top 20 for total minutes played.

We have a strong developmental system as well as good coaching;
The kid appears to have the foundation to be a good strong defensive 4/5, I would hate to deal him now for a bag of peanuts when we really don't have to.

In theory I agree with this but in practice he's 186/187 in True Shooting and he's a big man! He's literally one Jalen Suggs 3pter going in from being dead last!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_advanced.html

He just might not be able to finish inside well enough, or might take too many years to get there. He only shot 51% from 2 at Memphis, which is troubling. A similar 4/5 tweener maybe going late first round like Moussa Diabate is at 63% from 2, for instance.

For reference, Baynes shot 53% from 2 last year for us and Achiuwa is at 43%. Precious did score inside kinda badly at Miami but nowhere near this bad so that's a positive.

His offense is bad;
There is no way to sugarcoat that.

My thought is generally when you are getting a prospect in the back-end of the first round (or anywhere in the second) the hope is they can come into the NBA and do one thing pretty well, one thing kinda well, and the rest you hope you can coach.

Precious is a good rebounder, he is an okay defender, and the rest needs a lot of work and coaching.
It comes down to if we think he has the work ethic and we have the coaching to make him passable on offense.

I also don't think he has loads of value to other teams so we likely move him for an equally or more broken prospect which fits better positionally or we get a second or two. I would rather see what he can do over the course of a season, another summer league, and an offseason of putting the work in before I would be too incline to deal him.

[Ell Curry]

His offense is bad;
There is no way to sugarcoat that.

My thought is generally when you are getting a prospect in the back-end of the first round (or anywhere in the second) the hope is they can come into the NBA and do one thing pretty well, one thing kinda well, and the rest you hope you can coach.

Precious is a good rebounder, he is an okay defender, and the rest needs a lot of work and coaching.
It comes down to if we think he has the work ethic and we have the coaching to make him passable on offense.

I also don't think he has loads of value to other teams so we likely move him for an equally or more broken prospect which fits better positionally or we get a second or two. I would rather see what he can do over the course of a season, another summer league, and an offseason of putting the work in before I would be too incline to deal him.

Agreed. I just think his ceiling might be solid backup center because going from the worst finisher in the league playing rotation minutes to good enough to start while being short and not providing shot blocking at the 5 (and yes you can be a good defender at the 5 without blocking shots) or being a Draymond/Gasol level savant quarterbacking the defense and effectively coaching it while on the floor.

Nurkic did do it, so it can be done, but I imagine he read the game much better offensively even when he was missing every shot and watching Jokic take his job on Denver. He has the more traditional center frame, but the way the league is going Achiuwa might have what we consider that frame by 2025.

[DreamTeam09]

Tross would be cool here, again I was trying to figure out a way to get it done, we just don't have enough Cheap contracts. I think Boucher + Flynn would work if we cut Dragic.

Tross would be cool tho

[Psubs]

Precious is just slowly starting coming into his own. I would hate to trade him.

I am with you there.
He is cheap, he locked up for at least the two more seasons on his rookie deal, he is 22, and he is a respectable rebounder.

He is 6th in total rebounds for his draft class but not in the top 20 for total minutes played.

We have a strong developmental system as well as good coaching;
The kid appears to have the foundation to be a good strong defensive 4/5, I would hate to deal him now for a bag of peanuts when we really don't have to.

Like as if Masai would ever in a million years consider trading Precious.

Not as a primary piece, but as a smaller piece to acquire say Ayton (if the Raptors are cool with re-signing him at $25 million per year).

[douggood]

I am with you there.
He is cheap, he locked up for at least the two more seasons on his rookie deal, he is 22, and he is a respectable rebounder.

He is 6th in total rebounds for his draft class but not in the top 20 for total minutes played.

We have a strong developmental system as well as good coaching;
The kid appears to have the foundation to be a good strong defensive 4/5, I would hate to deal him now for a bag of peanuts when we really don't have to.

Like as if Masai would ever in a million years consider trading Precious.

Not as a primary piece, but as a smaller piece to acquire say Ayton (if the Raptors are cool with re-signing him at $25 million per year).

ayton wants the max; the full 5 year max (5yr 180), turned down offers to sign a 3-4 year max.

[canada_dry]

No mention of the report the Raptors are one of the few teams talking to the pacers about Levert according to sam amico?

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[Ell Curry]

We haven't talked much about Schroeder. Would give us a 2nd unit scorer and his market value might be low because he can't really be resigned.

The Celtics need to cut 3.7M to get under the tax. We can't take on money, so it's easier with Boucher or Birch going out, but I think there's a path to doing it for Flynn if the Thunder are involved.

[Consequence]

No mention of the report the Raptors are one of the few teams talking to the pacers about Levert according to sam amico?

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Amico is a bad source.

[Psubs]

No mention of the report the Raptors are one of the few teams talking to the pacers about Levert according to sam amico?

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Amico is a bad source.

If it's LeVert and filler for Dragic and Flynn then okay, that would get the Raptors some space to sign Wilson.

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/2272697

Cavs might be interested in LeVert.

[Lord_Zedd]

Tross would be cool here, again I was trying to figure out a way to get it done, we just don't have enough Cheap contracts. I think Boucher + Flynn would work if we cut Dragic.

Tross would be cool tho

Our bench production is bad enough that I might even consider a reunion with Coin Toss Ross. Even in his down year shooting wise, he can't possibly be any worse than the Bonga's, Flynn's, and Svi's we have on the court.

Ross + salary filler for Dragic + sweetener like a 2nd or Bonga is the most I'd do though.

At least Orlando clears Ross' salary next year.

[PhilBlackson]

No mention of the report the Raptors are one of the few teams talking to the pacers about Levert according to sam amico?

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Amico is a bad source.

If it's LeVert and filler for Dragic and Flynn then okay, that would get the Raptors some space to sign Wilson.

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/2272697

Cavs might be interested in LeVert.

I don't think scraps is gonna do it come on man...

Especially when the Cavs have been rumoured for awhile now to be interested and the very obvious trade piece they can/would offer will be Sexton. Now I don't like Sexton but the kid puts up some numbers, empty or not, he was putting up 24.3ppg, that's at least something to sell your fans and he's a RFA they can control for another 4 years...meanwhile you're proposing cap relief and a meaningless "backup" PG that actually hasn't even proved to be a backup lol hmm give me the 24ppg scorer!!!

GT Jr or Achuiwa is the minimum ask OR lottery protected pick but you're not getting away with essentially giving them nothing for a guy who can flat out get you buckets lol...I'd be very on the fence but it's definitely tempting, LeVert is a baller.

[HumbleRen]

How do we get Cam Reddish

[CoinTossRoss31]

How do we get Cam Reddish

If we are going for it. Do you give up a top 8 protected 2022 first rounder for him?

I feel like if our pick isn't traded by the deadline our scouts have identified multiple players in the draft in our range (12-20) that they would like to add to the team.
AJ Griffin, Mathurin, Jovic.. would all be good candidates

[Morris_Shatford]

No mention of the report the Raptors are one of the few teams talking to the pacers about Levert according to sam amico?

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Its a logical transaction;
Right now if the Pacers allow Warren and Lamb to expire they are in that unenviable spot where they are above the cap but miles below the tax.

If they swapped LeVert for an expiring it opens up nearly 20m in cap space and realistically 15m after they sign their FRP, they find a way to move Torrey Craig and they are back up over 20m w/ FRP signed.

If the Pacers are ready to move on from Warren or Warren is going to move on, this is a pretty simple way to keep your core guys and open up a respectable amount of space in the summer while not doing a traditional rip down rebuild. It also is largely based on the theory that LeVert is not viewed as an asset around the NBA and is available for an expiring.

Toronto being the team to end up with LeVert is where matters becomes a little complex;
Both the Raps and Pacers are inches from the tax threshold which means you would need to swap almost exact salary Dragic makes 19m, LeVert makes 17.5m. Unless there is some savings after a potential Dragic buy out the deal straight on paper pushes the Pacers into the tax despite opening up a lot of space in the summer.