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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3 

Post#1081 » by Bruin » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:37 pm

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Bruin wrote:Scottie already a more reliable player in the clutch than Demar ever was. Wild

Funniest thing is Demar is 4 on that list lmao

Tied with Scottie yeah. But we all know what playoff Demar is
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3 

Post#1082 » by HiJiNX » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:41 pm

TheDunc wrote:Ive been watching basketball going on 20+ years and i have never been this invested and excited about a player. Having Scottie just makes me feel like we'll be alright for the next 10+ years! just incredible

Best prospect we have ever had. And I don’t think it’s a debate.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3 

Post#1083 » by Basketball_Jones » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:58 pm

TheDunc wrote:Ive been watching basketball going on 20+ years and i have never been this invested and excited about a player. Having Scottie just makes me feel like we'll be alright for the next 10+ years! just incredible


I have the same excitement about him as I did Vince Carter. You just feel he can do anything.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3 

Post#1084 » by Reeko » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:05 pm

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TheDunc wrote:Ive been watching basketball going on 20+ years and i have never been this invested and excited about a player. Having Scottie just makes me feel like we'll be alright for the next 10+ years! just incredible

Best prospect we have ever had. And I don’t think it’s a debate.

Initially I was going to say that there is a debate with Vince, but then I saw that he was a 22 year old rookie.

Then I looked at T Mac's numbers as a 20 year old and they are eerily similar to Scottie's.

Scottie's #s: 15.3/7.5/3.5/1.1/0.7 on 49/30/74 splits

Tracy's #s: 15.4/6.3/3.3/1.1/1.9 on 45/28/71 splits

Scottie gets the edge there, but it's really close.

This was T-Mac's last season with us, and the following year in Orlando he put up: 26.8/7.5/4.6/1.5/1.5 on 46/36/73 splits. Can you imagine if Scottie took a leap like that in year 2? Granted, the team would have to be willing to see him average about 10 more shots per game. One thing that surprised me when looking at T-Mac's stats was that he was never a really good FT shooter, and only hit 80% from the line once in his career.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3 

Post#1085 » by Courtside » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:52 pm

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TheDunc wrote:Ive been watching basketball going on 20+ years and i have never been this invested and excited about a player. Having Scottie just makes me feel like we'll be alright for the next 10+ years! just incredible

Best prospect we have ever had. And I don’t think it’s a debate.

Initially I was going to say that there is a debate with Vince, but then I saw that he was a 22 year old rookie.

Then I looked at T Mac's numbers as a 20 year old and they are eerily similar to Scottie's.

Scottie's #s: 15.3/7.5/3.5/1.1/0.7 on 49/30/74 splits

Tracy's #s: 15.4/6.3/3.3/1.1/1.9 on 45/28/71 splits

Scottie gets the edge there, but it's really close.

This was T-Mac's last season with us, and the following year in Orlando he put up: 26.8/7.5/4.6/1.5/1.5 on 46/36/73 splits. Can you imagine if Scottie took a leap like that in year 2? Granted, the team would have to be willing to see him average about 10 more shots per game. One thing that surprised me when looking at T-Mac's stats was that he was never a really good FT shooter, and only hit 80% from the line once in his career.

That was TMac's *third* NBA season, not rookie, so there's that to consider also. I know Tracy didn't play college ball, but look at the maturity difference between the two, and it's easy to see how Scottie is far more preferable to try to build around.

He's somewhere between 2nd and 3rd year Giannis, with a similar type of composure, but with an already broader skillset and better multipositional defense.

I agree with everyone who is saying that the excitement level around a prospect is crazy high, and it should be. He's smart, mature, works hard, and while he doesn't have the flashiness of some other high flyers, he really has no ceiling at this point. Anything is possible and he's on a team that is both very good at helping young guys improve, but also a team that has a full understanding of what players of his archetype can do. They'll do much more to help Scottie succeed than any team in Vince or Tracy's careers did for them.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3 

Post#1086 » by will » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:30 pm

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MAN!!!!

Scottish Barnes! LETS GO!
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Post#1087 » by will » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:32 pm

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TheDunc wrote:Ive been watching basketball going on 20+ years and i have never been this invested and excited about a player. Having Scottie just makes me feel like we'll be alright for the next 10+ years! just incredible

Best prospect we have ever had. And I don’t think it’s a debate.

Initially I was going to say that there is a debate with Vince, but then I saw that he was a 22 year old rookie.

Then I looked at T Mac's numbers as a 20 year old and they are eerily similar to Scottie's.

Scottie's #s: 15.3/7.5/3.5/1.1/0.7 on 49/30/74 splits

Tracy's #s: 15.4/6.3/3.3/1.1/1.9 on 45/28/71 splits

Scottie gets the edge there, but it's really close.

This was T-Mac's last season with us, and the following year in Orlando he put up: 26.8/7.5/4.6/1.5/1.5 on 46/36/73 splits. Can you imagine if Scottie took a leap like that in year 2? Granted, the team would have to be willing to see him average about 10 more shots per game. One thing that surprised me when looking at T-Mac's stats was that he was never a really good FT shooter, and only hit 80% from the line once in his career.


Looking back in hindsight, VC was an absolute Godsend and a much better player his rookie year compared to Scottish. Not even close. The hopes of the Raps were pinned on Vincent Lamar Carter.

TMac got absolutely boned by Darrell Walker (pause). What could have been his rookie season with Marcus Camby.

Hell, Marcus Camby his rookie year was quite fun, considering how bad the Raps were.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3 

Post#1088 » by HiJiNX » Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:15 am

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HiJiNX wrote:Best prospect we have ever had. And I don’t think it’s a debate.

Initially I was going to say that there is a debate with Vince, but then I saw that he was a 22 year old rookie.

Then I looked at T Mac's numbers as a 20 year old and they are eerily similar to Scottie's.

Scottie's #s: 15.3/7.5/3.5/1.1/0.7 on 49/30/74 splits

Tracy's #s: 15.4/6.3/3.3/1.1/1.9 on 45/28/71 splits

Scottie gets the edge there, but it's really close.

This was T-Mac's last season with us, and the following year in Orlando he put up: 26.8/7.5/4.6/1.5/1.5 on 46/36/73 splits. Can you imagine if Scottie took a leap like that in year 2? Granted, the team would have to be willing to see him average about 10 more shots per game. One thing that surprised me when looking at T-Mac's stats was that he was never a really good FT shooter, and only hit 80% from the line once in his career.

That was TMac's *third* NBA season, not rookie, so there's that to consider also. I know Tracy didn't play college ball, but look at the maturity difference between the two, and it's easy to see how Scottie is far more preferable to try to build around.

He's somewhere between 2nd and 3rd year Giannis, with a similar type of composure, but with an already broader skillset and better multipositional defense.

I agree with everyone who is saying that the excitement level around a prospect is crazy high, and it should be. He's smart, mature, works hard, and while he doesn't have the flashiness of some other high flyers, he really has no ceiling at this point. Anything is possible and he's on a team that is both very good at helping young guys improve, but also a team that has a full understanding of what players of his archetype can do. They'll do much more to help Scottie succeed than any team in Vince or Tracy's careers did for them.

You nailed what sets Scottie apart—the intangibles. Here we have a guy that has a chance to be very good to elite at every NBA skill, has great athleticism and size AND he wants to win. AND he’s not scared. AND he’s clutch on both ends of the floor. AND he is a momentum swinger. AND he’s very charismatic. AND he’s unselfish. AND he’s a great teammate. AND he works hard.

Dude checks all the boxes. Hopefully he can make a similar leap in jump shot accuracy to what Vince made between his rookie and sophomore seasons. And hopefully his handle becomes more advanced than Vince’s ever was.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3 

Post#1089 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:30 am

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Post#1091 » by Raps in 4 » Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:35 am

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He passed the eye test too. Players either have the clutch gene or they don't, and Scottie has it. He looked so calm out there under pressure. He wanted to be out there with the game on the line.
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Post#1092 » by Federalies » Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:32 pm

Scottie Barnes is Fire!

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Post#1093 » by dTox » Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:50 pm

Federalies wrote:Scottie Barnes is Fire!

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Post#1094 » by Kingsway_fan » Tue Jul 26, 2022 7:52 pm

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TheDunc wrote:Ive been watching basketball going on 20+ years and i have never been this invested and excited about a player. Having Scottie just makes me feel like we'll be alright for the next 10+ years! just incredible

Best prospect we have ever had. And I don’t think it’s a debate.


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Post#1095 » by Scottie4Bro » Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:00 pm

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Post#1096 » by Joker » Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:05 pm

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TheDunc wrote:Ive been watching basketball going on 20+ years and i have never been this invested and excited about a player. Having Scottie just makes me feel like we'll be alright for the next 10+ years! just incredible

Best prospect we have ever had. And I don’t think it’s a debate.


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In terms of pure talent, you're right --- you don't get many more talented prospects than Vince. But in terms of the drive, work ethic, toughness, desire to win, leadership, not backing down, etc. --- all the qualities of a champion player --- that's where Scottie seems to have a massive advantage over Vince. The question with Vince always was "How badly does he want to be the best and to win?" So far that hasn't been a remote question with Scottie, by all accounts.

The best prospects have the exceptional talent and athleticism, but even more importantly, they have those mental qualities.
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Post#1097 » by vulture » Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:22 pm

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HiJiNX wrote:Best prospect we have ever had. And I don’t think it’s a debate.


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In terms of pure talent, you're right --- you don't get many more talented prospects than Vince. But in terms of the drive, work ethic, toughness, desire to win, leadership, not backing down, etc. --- all the qualities of a champion player --- that's where Scottie seems to have a massive advantage over Vince. The question with Vince always was "How badly does he want to be the best and to win?" So far that hasn't been a remote question with Scottie, by all accounts.


I don't think people were asking about Vince's desire, work ethic or toughness in his first 3 seasons in the league. it's when he started to suffer the Jumper's knee that people questioned how hard he was working to get back. He just didn't get better with the raptors and blew up in New Jersey.

I always thought Vince quit on the team before getting traded, but we'll have to see how Scottie responds to adversity when it knocks on his doorstep at some point.
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Post#1098 » by Hero_Panda » Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:26 pm

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Post#1099 » by Joker » Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:52 pm

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In terms of pure talent, you're right --- you don't get many more talented prospects than Vince. But in terms of the drive, work ethic, toughness, desire to win, leadership, not backing down, etc. --- all the qualities of a champion player --- that's where Scottie seems to have a massive advantage over Vince. The question with Vince always was "How badly does he want to be the best and to win?" So far that hasn't been a remote question with Scottie, by all accounts.


I don't think people were asking about Vince's desire, work ethic or toughness in his first 3 seasons in the league. it's when he started to suffer the Jumper's knee that people questioned how hard he was working to get back. He just didn't get better with the raptors and blew up in New Jersey.

I always thought Vince quit on the team before getting traded, but we'll have to see how Scottie responds to adversity when it knocks on his doorstep at some point.


It maybe didn’t come up in Vince’s rookie year — the expectations were so low and Vince and the team far outpassed them. But in the 2nd/3rd years, as the expectations and pressure increased, you had Vince’s horrendous showings in both series against New York where his mental poise was questioned, the game 7 where he left earlier that day for a graduation ceremony to the disapproval of the organization and his teammates, etc.

There was definitely some indication back then that Vince maybe wasn’t in love with having to be the man to drive the bus.
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Post#1100 » by vulture » Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:56 pm

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In terms of pure talent, you're right --- you don't get many more talented prospects than Vince. But in terms of the drive, work ethic, toughness, desire to win, leadership, not backing down, etc. --- all the qualities of a champion player --- that's where Scottie seems to have a massive advantage over Vince. The question with Vince always was "How badly does he want to be the best and to win?" So far that hasn't been a remote question with Scottie, by all accounts.


I don't think people were asking about Vince's desire, work ethic or toughness in his first 3 seasons in the league. it's when he started to suffer the Jumper's knee that people questioned how hard he was working to get back. He just didn't get better with the raptors and blew up in New Jersey.

I always thought Vince quit on the team before getting traded, but we'll have to see how Scottie responds to adversity when it knocks on his doorstep at some point.


It maybe didn’t come up in Vince’s rookie year, but in the 2nd/3rd years, you had Vince’s horrendous showings in both series against New York where his mental poise was questioned, the game 7 where he left earlier that day for a graduation ceremony to the disapproval of the organization and his teammates, etc.


That first playoff series was a shock for him and he was awful. They really swarmed him and he didn't have the ability to navigate that, but Tracy was really good in the series.
He broke through in the second knicks series in Game 4/5 and really blew up against philly until the whole Graduation thing.

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