Former Raptor discussion thread 3.0

[kalel123]

Playoffs basketball intensity already high

Siakam cooking in the playoffs. Another guy the fanbase chased off for no **** reason. “Barnes has more of a bag than siakam.”

I get people miss our former Raptors but you guys do know they played for us right? And WE all saw how utterly mediocre our team was when they were leading the charge no?

We were never going to be able to add talent to this roster with OG, FVV and Siakam at the helm.
Good players but wrong timing, sometimes thems are the breaks.

The thing with that situation was that they are all secondary players. They are fine to have, or exceptional even, when you already have your star player (like Kawhi) established in place. But your team's not going to be very good with them as centerpieces unless at least one of them can step it up, which none of them did. So they ended up being less than the sum of their parts while their pay kept skyrocketing beyond reason due to their years of service in the league. That's a fine price to pay if you already have your superstar and they are just secondary pieces but you can't pay all of them that when you don't have a star to begin with. Them's the breaks. That's why we had to move on and they are not here any more.

[ForeverTFC]

They definitely handled it poorly but that’s usually how these things end up when you’re constantly mediocre.

It’s not like Siakam wasn’t without blame. He didn’t accept an extension right away when it was offered and refused to play ball with them in trade talks. It was only going to end ugly after that.

Why are we still blaming Siakam for this?

Why should anyone be blamed for not accepting an offer that would pay him less than he's worth? Raptors extension offer was roughly $125M per year and he ended up signing with Indy for $190M. Can't blame him for taking care of himself and his family.

Re his refusal to play ball in trade talks, would you cooperate with the team that's trying to get rid of you and then expect you to go to a destination of their choosing? As an unrestricted free agent, he earned his right to choose. Why should he forfeit that?

Players cooperate with teams all of the time when it comes to trades. These guys are professionals lol.

Where exactly did the Raptors do him wrong in this situation outside of Masai saying he needs to fit in?

We sent him to an amazing basketball situation for him who wanted to pay him a max he wanted. We could have sent him to the Sacramento Kings or some other hell hole.

You guys are acting like we banished him to the shadowlands.

No one's acting like we banished him to the shadowlands - he went where he wanted to go.

Tacoma is correct. There is no reason for anyone to expect Siakam to take a lower extension from the Raptors than the one he got from the Pacers. And high end players often try and dictate where they go in trades - see Butler, Lillard, etc. Siakam is just good enough to fall into this bucket of player, but not good enough that a team will risk trading for him if he's not willing to commit to an extension with them.

Ultimately, I don't blame Siakam for what happened. I always thought we should have re-signed him to his max earlier and then looked to move him, though that would have delayed the rebuild.

[Los_29]

He is exactly what Boogie told you he was

Worse than Delon Wright?

Oh man, Boogie’s takes are legendary especially when you look back on them now.

[Tripod]

Gary and Siakan going at it!

[Spates]

Gary and Siakan going at it!

They've been a little chippy with each other.

[FrozenLeafz]

Gary and Siakan going at it!

Pascal: "**** you for not passing"

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[kalel123]

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Was there something between them here? Trent seems a bit too eager to go at Siakam considering they were former teammates for a number of years.

[youngRAPZ]

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Was there something between them here? Trent seems a bit too eager to go at Siakam considering they were former teammates for a number of years.

Trent hates FVV and Siakam was his boy


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[FrozenLeafz]

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that 3 pointer with less than 2 minutes left in the 4th Q was the clutchest shot i've seen from Siakam in a long time

[Duffman100]

Well at least the pacers pick we dealt to Ingram will likely be in the 20 range next year.

[PushDaRock]

We essentially turned Siakam into Ingram, Walter and Ochai. Hard to complain too much about that return.

[Tripod]

Well at least the pacers pick we dealt to Ingram will likely be in the 20 range next year.

We still should have gotten "the worst of Tor or Indy"...just in case. Unexpected injuries do happen.

[TakeYourHeart]

It is ever so slightly disappointing to me that Schroder was apparently a bad personality fit here...as abrasive as he is, he is a dawg and fits well on a Pistons team that is tough as hell. Team might have been a bit too soft.

[Spates]

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that 3 pointer with less than 2 minutes left in the 4th Q was the clutchest shot i've seen from Siakam in a long time

Now that Pascal is back to finishing plays rather than being asked to create he looks great again. I've always been a fan of this guy. He's born to play up with fast pace and a pass first floor general.

[Agimat]

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that 3 pointer with less than 2 minutes left in the 4th Q was the clutchest shot i've seen from Siakam in a long time

Now that Pascal is back to finishing plays rather than being asked to create he looks great again. I've always been a fan of this guy. He's born to play up with fast pace and a pass first floor general.

[ForeverTFC]

It is ever so slightly disappointing to me that Schroder was apparently a bad personality fit here...as abrasive as he is, he is a dawg and fits well on a Pistons team that is tough as hell. Team might have been a bit too soft.

He's been like that everywhere he's been, not just here. I hope he finds a home in Detroit, but history tells you they will move away from him as well. This is from his brief stint in Boston:

When first arriving in Boston, Schroder’s main impact came as a scoring option to help off the bench and serve as a sparkplug for the second unit. With the team struggling offensively, Schroder’s scoring ability soon pushed the conversation towards a bigger role for the veteran guard, and he found himself as an integral part of Boston’s rotation. Some of his scoring bursts had helped the Celtics win games, especially his season-high 38 points against the Milwaukee Bucks back in November.

As the season went on and the Celtics struggled to find consistency, some issues about Schroder’s fit on the team became clear. Schroder and Smart didn’t fit together due to Schroder’s need as a primary ballhandler and Smart’s shooting, and Schroder’s tendency to get tunnel vision soon grew to undeniable levels. More whispers of Schroder being on the block began to spread, and Ime Udoka notably started to stray away from him. The Schroder-Celtics honeymoon phase was over in a flash, and now it seems like the veteran has all but checked out on the team in the last month.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/2/3/22912639/dennis-schroder-boston-celtics-out-nba-trade-deadline

[TakeYourHeart]

It is ever so slightly disappointing to me that Schroder was apparently a bad personality fit here...as abrasive as he is, he is a dawg and fits well on a Pistons team that is tough as hell. Team might have been a bit too soft.

He's been like that everywhere he's been, not just here. I hope he finds a home in Detroit, but history tells you they will move away from him as well. This is from his brief stint in Boston:

When first arriving in Boston, Schroder’s main impact came as a scoring option to help off the bench and serve as a sparkplug for the second unit. With the team struggling offensively, Schroder’s scoring ability soon pushed the conversation towards a bigger role for the veteran guard, and he found himself as an integral part of Boston’s rotation. Some of his scoring bursts had helped the Celtics win games, especially his season-high 38 points against the Milwaukee Bucks back in November.

As the season went on and the Celtics struggled to find consistency, some issues about Schroder’s fit on the team became clear. Schroder and Smart didn’t fit together due to Schroder’s need as a primary ballhandler and Smart’s shooting, and Schroder’s tendency to get tunnel vision soon grew to undeniable levels. More whispers of Schroder being on the block began to spread, and Ime Udoka notably started to stray away from him. The Schroder-Celtics honeymoon phase was over in a flash, and now it seems like the veteran has all but checked out on the team in the last month.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/2/3/22912639/dennis-schroder-boston-celtics-out-nba-trade-deadline

That's basketball fit which is more than fair, but I remember hearing it was also a personality fit thing here.

[NinjaBro]

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It's so annoying that we never got this Siakam against the Celtics bubble series. Even if he was half as good instead of a complete disaster we would've won the series and possibly go to the finals that year.