2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[mademan]

Fears, Traore, or another rookie point guard isn't going to make the Mavs better next season, it'll be at least a 3-4 year process and by then Irving and Davis will have aged out of the league. It would definite the purpose of having them, love or hate Nico, he wants to compete.

To compete, the Mavs need a stronger starting line up. Agbaji is as good of a perimeter 4th/5th option as you expect he shoots 50/40 from the field and 3pt range. Then RJ is an efficient 3rd option that can be used at PG and a 2nd or even 1st option when AD or Irving are being rested. They're both ~25, so still young but old enough to contribute to a competitive team that hopes to make a playoff run.

11>Agbaji
PJ>RJ

Dallas is overpaying here. RJ didnt have this value in NY so im not sure why he'd have it now. Dallas may be one of the few teams that would send out contracts and small value for RJ, but this is clearly far too much

Most 11th picks worked out because they went to bad teams where they could develop. Dallas is looking to win now. They aren't a great development team either and their last few picks have looked terrible. Agbaji could fit into the line up be good right away, he's improved from last season and it's very possible that continues in Dallas. This just isn't the time to bank on

RJ isn't the same player he was in NY. His efficiency is much better. If he plays next to good spacers like Irving and AD it will make him look even better. We saw him get more deflections this year and his TS% is much higher in Toronto than what it was in NY. This year we saw his playmaking and P&R efficiency rise too. If the Mavs win 50-60 games next year with a healthy squad there's a good chance RJ could even be an all star.

Thats a lot of ifs. RJ is still a negative player by almost every metric, so selling him as a possible AS is kinda crazy. Its fine to still believe in him as a fan of Toronto, but no other team is going to give up good value for him.

And cmon man. Ochai isnt worth the 11th pick. This is an unrealistic trade that overvalues every piece going out for the Raps

[Thaddy]

11>Agbaji
PJ>RJ

Dallas is overpaying here. RJ didnt have this value in NY so im not sure why he'd have it now. Dallas may be one of the few teams that would send out contracts and small value for RJ, but this is clearly far too much

Most 11th picks worked out because they went to bad teams where they could develop. Dallas is looking to win now. They aren't a great development team either and their last few picks have looked terrible. Agbaji could fit into the line up be good right away, he's improved from last season and it's very possible that continues in Dallas. This just isn't the time to bank on

RJ isn't the same player he was in NY. His efficiency is much better. If he plays next to good spacers like Irving and AD it will make him look even better. We saw him get more deflections this year and his TS% is much higher in Toronto than what it was in NY. This year we saw his playmaking and P&R efficiency rise too. If the Mavs win 50-60 games next year with a healthy squad there's a good chance RJ could even be an all star.

Thats a lot of ifs. RJ is still a negative player by almost every metric, so selling him as a possible AS is kinda crazy. Its fine to still believe in him as a fan of Toronto, but no other team is going to give up good value for him.

And cmon man. Ochai isnt worth the 11th pick. This is an unrealistic trade that overvalues every piece going out for the Raps

Ochai was a lottery pick himself and his play reflects that he was a winning pick at the time who was worthy of his draft slot. The Raptors develop him when the Jazz, who have been atrocious at developing, couldn't. Most prospects develop due to the environmental factors the franchise has. The Mavs haven't developed good role players in years. Unless they win the lottery (or top 3) they will look to trade the pick to win immediately.

RJ is great on offense and in a 3rd option role he'll continue to excel. I Between Washington, Gafford and RJ its clear RJ has the highest potential based on improvement trajectory. Then you also need to consider that Gafford and Washington have been the same players for several years now. If you compare them as players now it's pretty much a wash. The Mavs need to take smart gambles like this or they'll be a treadmill team next year that is outside the play in territory. Teams like the Spurs are prime candidates to overtake the Spurs if they don't make any good moves.

TLDR
The Mavs have a small window, they don't have enough talent and this gets them more talent immediately.

[mademan]

Most 11th picks worked out because they went to bad teams where they could develop. Dallas is looking to win now. They aren't a great development team either and their last few picks have looked terrible. Agbaji could fit into the line up be good right away, he's improved from last season and it's very possible that continues in Dallas. This just isn't the time to bank on

RJ isn't the same player he was in NY. His efficiency is much better. If he plays next to good spacers like Irving and AD it will make him look even better. We saw him get more deflections this year and his TS% is much higher in Toronto than what it was in NY. This year we saw his playmaking and P&R efficiency rise too. If the Mavs win 50-60 games next year with a healthy squad there's a good chance RJ could even be an all star.

Thats a lot of ifs. RJ is still a negative player by almost every metric, so selling him as a possible AS is kinda crazy. Its fine to still believe in him as a fan of Toronto, but no other team is going to give up good value for him.

And cmon man. Ochai isnt worth the 11th pick. This is an unrealistic trade that overvalues every piece going out for the Raps

Ochai was a lottery pick himself and his play reflects that he was a winning pick at the time who was worthy of his draft slot. The Raptors develop him when the Jazz, who have been atrocious at developing, couldn't. Most prospects develop due to the environmental factors the franchise has. The Mavs haven't developed good role players in years. Unless they win the lottery (or top 3) they will look to trade the pick to win immediately.

RJ is great on offense and in a 3rd option role he'll continue to excel. I Between Washington, Gafford and RJ its clear RJ has the highest potential based on improvement trajectory. Then you also need to consider that Gafford and Washington have been the same players for several years now. If you compare them as players now it's pretty much a wash. The Mavs need to take smart gambles like this or they'll be a treadmill team next year that is outside the play in territory. Teams like the Spurs are prime candidates to overtake the Spurs if they don't make any good moves.

TLDR
The Mavs have a small window, they don't have enough talent and this gets them more talent immediately.

Ochai, with 1 year on his contract and 1 decent season, isnt worth 5 years of a cheap lotto pick. Its a poor valuation, and even worse for Dallas as they have enough 3+D guards/wings (Christie/Klay/Naji/Martin), and its not clear he's better than them.

I do think Dallas is one of the few teams that could use RJ. I still dont think anyone would pay positive value for him. And "great on offense" is a big stretch

[Thaddy]

Thats a lot of ifs. RJ is still a negative player by almost every metric, so selling him as a possible AS is kinda crazy. Its fine to still believe in him as a fan of Toronto, but no other team is going to give up good value for him.

And cmon man. Ochai isnt worth the 11th pick. This is an unrealistic trade that overvalues every piece going out for the Raps

Ochai was a lottery pick himself and his play reflects that he was a winning pick at the time who was worthy of his draft slot. The Raptors develop him when the Jazz, who have been atrocious at developing, couldn't. Most prospects develop due to the environmental factors the franchise has. The Mavs haven't developed good role players in years. Unless they win the lottery (or top 3) they will look to trade the pick to win immediately.

RJ is great on offense and in a 3rd option role he'll continue to excel. I Between Washington, Gafford and RJ its clear RJ has the highest potential based on improvement trajectory. Then you also need to consider that Gafford and Washington have been the same players for several years now. If you compare them as players now it's pretty much a wash. The Mavs need to take smart gambles like this or they'll be a treadmill team next year that is outside the play in territory. Teams like the Spurs are prime candidates to overtake the Spurs if they don't make any good moves.

TLDR
The Mavs have a small window, they don't have enough talent and this gets them more talent immediately.

Ochai, with 1 year on his contract and 1 decent season, isnt worth 5 years of a cheap lotto pick. Its a poor valuation, and even worse for Dallas as they have enough 3+D guards/wings (Christie/Klay/Naji/Martin), and its not clear he's better than them.

I do think Dallas is one of the few teams that could use RJ. I still dont think anyone would pay positive value for him. And "great on offense" is a big stretch

The 11th pick doesn't have as much value as you think it does. A 2 way 50/40 POA defender is as good as it gets. Who do you think is worth the pick if it's not Agbaji?

[Tripod]

Maybe we should keep our leading scorer and our best 3&D guy?

[Maverick41]

Mavs fan here. Question, if your team drafts a PG in the draft, would you consider an IQ trade? Dallas needs a creator with Kyrie out while also getting a guy that can fit with him when he gets back. I think IQ fits that bill as a pesky defender and ability to play off-ball. I know in NY especially, he fit very well with Brunson as the dominant ball handler. If available, what would be the price for someone like him?

[CazOnReal]

Mavs fan here. Question, if your team drafts a PG in the draft, would you consider an IQ trade? Dallas needs a creator with Kyrie out while also getting a guy that can fit with him when he gets back. I think IQ fits that bill as a pesky defender and ability to play off-ball. I know in NY especially, he fit very well with Brunson as the dominant ball handler. If available, what would be the price for someone like him?

If we somehow lucked out on Harper, one would imagine it's RJ on the way out rather than IQ since Quickley would fit in well at the 2, is under contract for 4 more years and is a much better shooter than RJ.

[gerrit4]

Mavs fan here. Question, if your team drafts a PG in the draft, would you consider an IQ trade? Dallas needs a creator with Kyrie out while also getting a guy that can fit with him when he gets back. I think IQ fits that bill as a pesky defender and ability to play off-ball. I know in NY especially, he fit very well with Brunson as the dominant ball handler. If available, what would be the price for someone like him?

My guess is that even if we do luck in to Harper and plan to make him PG of the future, we'd wait at least a year to trade IQ, or if we did trade him, we'd need to be blown away by the offer (as opposed to just unloading him).

[Psubs]

Ochai was a lottery pick himself and his play reflects that he was a winning pick at the time who was worthy of his draft slot. The Raptors develop him when the Jazz, who have been atrocious at developing, couldn't. Most prospects develop due to the environmental factors the franchise has. The Mavs haven't developed good role players in years. Unless they win the lottery (or top 3) they will look to trade the pick to win immediately.

RJ is great on offense and in a 3rd option role he'll continue to excel. I Between Washington, Gafford and RJ its clear RJ has the highest potential based on improvement trajectory. Then you also need to consider that Gafford and Washington have been the same players for several years now. If you compare them as players now it's pretty much a wash. The Mavs need to take smart gambles like this or they'll be a treadmill team next year that is outside the play in territory. Teams like the Spurs are prime candidates to overtake the Spurs if they don't make any good moves.

TLDR
The Mavs have a small window, they don't have enough talent and this gets them more talent immediately.

Ochai, with 1 year on his contract and 1 decent season, isnt worth 5 years of a cheap lotto pick. Its a poor valuation, and even worse for Dallas as they have enough 3+D guards/wings (Christie/Klay/Naji/Martin), and its not clear he's better than them.

I do think Dallas is one of the few teams that could use RJ. I still dont think anyone would pay positive value for him. And "great on offense" is a big stretch

The 11th pick doesn't have as much value as you think it does. A 2 way 50/40 POA defender is as good as it gets. Who do you think is worth the pick if it's not Agbaji?

I would gamble on Rasheer Fleming or Carter Bryant at #11 if obtained for Agbaji.

What about trading Ochai Agbaji for Nikola Jovic?

[Thaddy]

Ochai, with 1 year on his contract and 1 decent season, isnt worth 5 years of a cheap lotto pick. Its a poor valuation, and even worse for Dallas as they have enough 3+D guards/wings (Christie/Klay/Naji/Martin), and its not clear he's better than them.

I do think Dallas is one of the few teams that could use RJ. I still dont think anyone would pay positive value for him. And "great on offense" is a big stretch

The 11th pick doesn't have as much value as you think it does. A 2 way 50/40 POA defender is as good as it gets. Who do you think is worth the pick if it's not Agbaji?

I would gamble on Rasheer Fleming or Carter Bryant at #11 if obtained for Agbaji.

What about trading Ochai Agbaji for Nikola Jovic?

Might have to aim lower at around #16. Orlando is improving and they need ready vets versus more prospects. Agbaji could develop there better than a raw prospect could. Fleming is going to be top 10 in a redraft, but his ceiling isn't too high.

[Mattatron]

Most 11th picks worked out because they went to bad teams where they could develop. Dallas is looking to win now. They aren't a great development team either and their last few picks have looked terrible. Agbaji could fit into the line up be good right away, he's improved from last season and it's very possible that continues in Dallas. This just isn't the time to bank on

RJ isn't the same player he was in NY. His efficiency is much better. If he plays next to good spacers like Irving and AD it will make him look even better. We saw him get more deflections this year and his TS% is much higher in Toronto than what it was in NY. This year we saw his playmaking and P&R efficiency rise too. If the Mavs win 50-60 games next year with a healthy squad there's a good chance RJ could even be an all star.

Thats a lot of ifs. RJ is still a negative player by almost every metric, so selling him as a possible AS is kinda crazy. Its fine to still believe in him as a fan of Toronto, but no other team is going to give up good value for him.

And cmon man. Ochai isnt worth the 11th pick. This is an unrealistic trade that overvalues every piece going out for the Raps

Ochai was a lottery pick himself and his play reflects that he was a winning pick at the time who was worthy of his draft slot. The Raptors develop him when the Jazz, who have been atrocious at developing, couldn't. Most prospects develop due to the environmental factors the franchise has. The Mavs haven't developed good role players in years. Unless they win the lottery (or top 3) they will look to trade the pick to win immediately.

RJ is great on offense and in a 3rd option role he'll continue to excel. I Between Washington, Gafford and RJ its clear RJ has the highest potential based on improvement trajectory. Then you also need to consider that Gafford and Washington have been the same players for several years now. If you compare them as players now it's pretty much a wash. The Mavs need to take smart gambles like this or they'll be a treadmill team next year that is outside the play in territory. Teams like the Spurs are prime candidates to overtake the Spurs if they don't make any good moves.

TLDR
The Mavs have a small window, they don't have enough talent and this gets them more talent immediately.

"The Raptors develop him when the Jazz, who have been atrocious at developing, couldn't" Agbaji had a good rookie year, and just stagnated during his 2nd season which is pretty normal leaguewide.

"The Mavs haven't developed good role players in years" now it's getting crazy, like wtf ? Jaden Hardy, Josh Green, Jalen Brunson, Lively like whaaat ? You acting like every nba franchise is bad at developing and the Raps Org is the real deal and better at anything. Barrett is not worth anything with positive value. Mavs are not a Play-In/Treadmill like the Raps with balanced roster with Irving, Davis etc. They're probably top 6

[Thaddy]

Thats a lot of ifs. RJ is still a negative player by almost every metric, so selling him as a possible AS is kinda crazy. Its fine to still believe in him as a fan of Toronto, but no other team is going to give up good value for him.

And cmon man. Ochai isnt worth the 11th pick. This is an unrealistic trade that overvalues every piece going out for the Raps

Ochai was a lottery pick himself and his play reflects that he was a winning pick at the time who was worthy of his draft slot. The Raptors develop him when the Jazz, who have been atrocious at developing, couldn't. Most prospects develop due to the environmental factors the franchise has. The Mavs haven't developed good role players in years. Unless they win the lottery (or top 3) they will look to trade the pick to win immediately.

RJ is great on offense and in a 3rd option role he'll continue to excel. I Between Washington, Gafford and RJ its clear RJ has the highest potential based on improvement trajectory. Then you also need to consider that Gafford and Washington have been the same players for several years now. If you compare them as players now it's pretty much a wash. The Mavs need to take smart gambles like this or they'll be a treadmill team next year that is outside the play in territory. Teams like the Spurs are prime candidates to overtake the Spurs if they don't make any good moves.

TLDR
The Mavs have a small window, they don't have enough talent and this gets them more talent immediately.

"The Raptors develop him when the Jazz, who have been atrocious at developing, couldn't" Agbaji had a good rookie year, and just stagnated during his 2nd season which is pretty normal leaguewide.

"The Mavs haven't developed good role players in years" now it's getting crazy, like wtf ? Jaden Hardy, Josh Green, Jalen Brunson, Lively like whaaat ? You acting like every nba franchise is bad at developing and the Raps Org is the real deal and better at anything. Barrett is not worth anything with positive value. Mavs are not a Play-In/Treadmill like the Raps with balanced roster with Irving, Davis etc. They're probably top 6

Agbaji probably has the most attainable ceiling of the young guards on the Raptors. If he add a handle it would go well with his mid range shooting and finishing ability. He's physically strong but hasn't gotten a hold of how to use it on offense. I would take him over Green.

Green has been bad on the Hornets. He's on a really bad team and his advanced stats from his OPM/DPM/etc have been terrible this season.
https://craftednba.com/players/josh-green

Same thing with Hardy, not a good NBA player.
https://craftednba.com/players/jaden-hardy

Brunson's dad is a coach and Luka has a strong support group from his European league days.

Lively has a poor portability index. He could be a product of Luka and Irving.
https://craftednba.com/players/dereck-lively-ii

[MoMan24]

I want Jabri Smith Jr. or Naz Reid.

[Tor_Raps]

There's a chance Bam could be made available this summer if Miami decides to blow it up, which they probably need to. Hopefully we see some good names available this offseason because we are in a great spot to take advantage.

[Spida888]

Mavs fan here. Question, if your team drafts a PG in the draft, would you consider an IQ trade? Dallas needs a creator with Kyrie out while also getting a guy that can fit with him when he gets back. I think IQ fits that bill as a pesky defender and ability to play off-ball. I know in NY especially, he fit very well with Brunson as the dominant ball handler. If available, what would be the price for someone like him?

Like others have said, I'd also prefer to trade RJ before trading IQ due to the Raptors' lack of shooting but nobody is untouchable on our team imo.

Just curious would you give up Christie/Lively for IQ? How about Lively for Gradey Dick?

[Maverick41]

Mavs fan here. Question, if your team drafts a PG in the draft, would you consider an IQ trade? Dallas needs a creator with Kyrie out while also getting a guy that can fit with him when he gets back. I think IQ fits that bill as a pesky defender and ability to play off-ball. I know in NY especially, he fit very well with Brunson as the dominant ball handler. If available, what would be the price for someone like him?

Like others have said, I'd also prefer to trade RJ before trading IQ due to the Raptors' lack of shooting but nobody is untouchable on our team imo.

Just curious would you give up Christie/Lively for IQ? How about Lively for Gradey Dick?

Lively is the closest to untouchable on the Mavs. Either trade would probably have to involve a swap of this year's FRPs. At that point, I assume it would lose the allure from your side.

Imo if DAL is gonna trade a big, it's gonna be Gafford since he's expiring. My thinking was something like:

DAL Receives: IQ
TOR receives: Knecht + LAL 31 FRP + filler
LAL receives: Gafford

If I'm off, I apologize. IQs value is confusing to me but it seems like your fanbase still holds him highly.

[Tripod]

Mavs fan here. Question, if your team drafts a PG in the draft, would you consider an IQ trade? Dallas needs a creator with Kyrie out while also getting a guy that can fit with him when he gets back. I think IQ fits that bill as a pesky defender and ability to play off-ball. I know in NY especially, he fit very well with Brunson as the dominant ball handler. If available, what would be the price for someone like him?

Like others have said, I'd also prefer to trade RJ before trading IQ due to the Raptors' lack of shooting but nobody is untouchable on our team imo.

Just curious would you give up Christie/Lively for IQ? How about Lively for Gradey Dick?

Lively is the closest to untouchable on the Mavs. Either trade would probably have to involve a swap of this year's FRPs. At that point, I assume it would lose the allure from your side.

Imo if DAL is gonna trade a big, it's gonna be Gafford since he's expiring. My thinking was something like:

DAL Receives: IQ
TOR receives: Knecht + LAL 31 FRP + filler
LAL receives: Gafford

If I'm off, I apologize. IQs value is confusing to me but it seems like your fanbase still holds him highly.

The Raps just don't need another shooting guard with RJ, Walter, Ochai, Gradey and Battle around.

IQ is their main ball handler and a great shooter and they can't replace him from within. It's why you see RJ or Gradey offered because we have other guys who can fill those spots already.

Raps need a backup C as their biggest need...then of course just upgrading skill organically or thru trades.

[TGM]

I think moving IQ makes a lot of sense. I've been saying this for a while, but IQ is not the type of PG that wins you championships. We don't need another two seasons to come to such a conclusion.

Its probably a bit far fetched, but if there is a way to do a deal around IQ and RJ, plus maybe DIck, Mogbo and a crap load of picks for Giannis, I would be absolutely game for it.

I actually think Shead can totally start for us. Have Ingram at the 2, Scottie at the 3, Giannis at the 4 with Jakob at the 5. If we want to go really aggressive, we go Scottie at the 1, Ochai at the 2, Ingram at the 3, Giannis at the 4 and Jakob at the 5. Will be a tough team defensively to play against.

I think we are still 3-4th best suitor for Giannis, but it's not totally impossible.

Houston might do Green and Sengun plus picks, but I doubt they give that much.

Spurs I don't think will move Castle, maybe Vassell, Sochan and picks.

OKC, probably doesn't move their big 3.

Not sure that many teams have 2 fringe all-star type guys to put on the market for Giannis and are relatively young.

[Saul Goodman]

Let’s say the raptors get a pick from 2-4

I think a Giannis deal isnt so far fetched




To Toronto

Giannis


To New Orleans
#3 pick


To Milwaukee
Scottie Barnes
Jakob Poetl
2026 bucks pick returned
2027 bucks pick returned
2028 raptors unp



The bucks will be Wizards bad the next two seasons so this esssentially 2 top 4 picks and Barnes which is a serious haul

Pelicans do this as a bird in the hand move. They get a guaranteed top pick to add to their own. If they won Flagg they could pair him with Harper or Bailey.

The Raptors try to essentially pull off 2019 all over again. This deal leaves them with a team that is miles better than Giannis current team and comparable talent wise to his 2021 title team. The Raptors use another 1st to get a C, ideally mark Williams or Jabari Smith, or a bigger package down the line to get Sabonis

Sign Bobby Portis for the Full MLE


Jabari/portis
Giannis/mogbo
Ingram/abaji
Barrett/Dick/Walter
Quickley/shead


As good a chance as anyone in the East especially if Boston starts losing guys.

[Red_Claw]

I love Scottie. He has all the potential i want in a franchise player and i believe he will eventually get there. That being said, Giannis is generational MVP/Defensive type player so i would welcome a trade that would make the Raptors a championship level team.

Barnes
Barrett
2025 FRP
2027 FRP
For
Giannis

New Roster
C- Poelt/FA/Castleton
PF - Giannis/Mogbo/Chomche
SF - Ingram/Battle
SG - Dick/Agbaji/Lawson
PG - Quickly/Walter/Shead

Poetl is a stat giant who doesn't need the ball. Giannis is the Batman. Ingram is the Robin. Dick and Quickly are your shooters who finish plays. That's a playoff team and if we want the young guys to continue to develop, we need to up the ante and get them some playoff experience.

Milwaukee has no prospects for awhile. They need to capitalize on the few assets they have until it makes sense to tank. Scottie and RJ are at an ideal age for what theyre next chapter is going to be.