2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[bigmandinky]

The Toronto Raptors had a fantastic 2013-2014 season. They finished 48-34, won the Atlanta Division and were within a final Kyle Lowry shot that was blocked by Paul Pierce of defeating the Brooklyn Nets in game 7 to advance to the second round of the playoffs.

The Raptors obviously want to re-sign Kyle Lowry, who is set to become an unrestricted free agent, but first they will have to focus on the 2014 NBA Draft. The Raptors have been most often associated with former Michigan State Spartans’ power forward Adreian Payne.

Well, a lot of it depends on what happens with Lowry and Vasquez in free agency. They need to figure out their point guard situation first and foremost. I think they need some additional depth on the wing. I’d like to see them add another scoring threat. It’d be ideal if they could snatch up a Nik Stauskas or James Young, but I doubt they’re still on the board. Amir Johnson was great for them this season, but if the aforementioned wings are gone, I don’t think they can pass on Adreian Payne. He’s just too good. I don’t think Salmons and Hansborough are going to bring anywhere near that kind of return, unfortunately for the Raptors.


Payne measured in at 6’9.75″ and 239 pounds with a very impressive wingspan of 7’4″ at the NBA’s Scouting Combine. He averaged 16.4 points, 7.3 rebounds and 1.3 assists per game while shooting 50.3% from the field, 42.3% from beyond the arc and 79.0% from the free throw line for the Spartans last season.

Article on why we shouldn't pass on Payne. I'm not a big believer in the guy with his lung issues but I found it a good read.
http://fansided.com/2014/06/02/nba-draf ... ne/#!TUWL4

Lung issues or not, the dude still played 28 mpg (which equates to over 30 mpg in the NBA) as his team's leading scorer while battling with mono all year long, so I think he's proved himself in that regard. For someone with his physical tools and skillset, he'd be an awesome value at 20 imo, but who knows when he gets picked. Some mocks even have him going in the lottery, which shows you how surprising this draft could get after the first 8-10 picks.

[Risk101]

Lung issues or not, the dude still played 28 mpg (which equates to over 30 mpg in the NBA) as his team's leading scorer while battling with mono all year long, so I think he's proved himself in that regard. For someone with his physical tools and skillset, he'd be an awesome value at 20 imo, but who knows when he gets picked. Some mocks even have him going in the lottery, which shows you how surprising this draft could get after the first 8-10 picks.

I still feel that Capela makes more sense for our team. Payne seems also like a good fit but having any health issues, especially the lung, is still something that should be considered. High risk high reward type of pick.

[Dukenukem23]

Grow up. I specifically asked about Thanasis and you provided another general link to this scam, so, a phrase you should live by is "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". And since you never have anything of substance to provide to any thread I've ever seen you post in, welcome to my ignore list.

What do you provide bud? Nonsense drivel if you ask me. You had never even heard of this draft combine results scam, be happy I educated you on the subject....your welcome.

Shut up man, people are talking about the draft. Nobody gives a damn about your insecurities and need to spout your impressive knowledge of the combine.

Sorry it's hard to take a poster serious that calls himself bigmandinky

There are plenty of members here that appreciate reading new info, this is a message forum after all and we read each other's opinions and insights because it's fun and we want to learn more. I'm sorry if you don't appreciate my contributions but there are plenty that do so don't act like your the voice for the board mandinky.

[nahom1319]

You keep mentioning the butthurt comment.....His comment really damaged your delicate ego didn't it? Poor thing, I'm sure he didn't mean to be mean to you.

But I digress. You asked about the standing reach scam I provided another source to explain how it works and you being illiterate or lazy didn't take the time to read it so you flame away some more. Pretty sad state of events Mr/mrs. Brice.

Grow up. I specifically asked about Thanasis and you provided another general link to this scam, so, a phrase you should live by is "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". And since you never have anything of substance to provide to any thread I've ever seen you post in, welcome to my ignore list.

What do you provide bud? Nonsense drivel if you ask me. You had never even heard of this draft combine results scam, be happy I educated you on the subject....your welcome.

Dude sit down and shut up, adults are talking. you've been repeating yourself for the last 5 or 6 posts. give it up already. Yes some players try to skew results, did Thanasis do it? We will never know. So that ends that conversation. You lost....

[UnderdogRaptors]

havent been keeping up with the thread, which players are scheduled to work out tomorrow?

[Risk101]

havent been keeping up with the thread, which players are scheduled to work out tomorrow?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/473620190349914113[/tweet]

[Roland Brice]

Lung issues or not, the dude still played 28 mpg (which equates to over 30 mpg in the NBA) as his team's leading scorer while battling with mono all year long, so I think he's proved himself in that regard. For someone with his physical tools and skillset, he'd be an awesome value at 20 imo, but who knows when he gets picked. Some mocks even have him going in the lottery, which shows you how surprising this draft could get after the first 8-10 picks.

I still feel that Capela makes more sense for our team. Payne seems also like a good fit but having any health issues, especially the lung, is still something that should be considered. High risk high reward type of pick.

Is it actual lung issues or was it the mono he had? Was it mono on top of lung issues? If so, wow he's talented lol, I can't imagine playing with those shortcomings, much less playing that well.

havent been keeping up with the thread, which players are scheduled to work out tomorrow?

Jordan Clarkson, Melvin Ejim and Khem Birch.

[UnderdogRaptors]

havent been keeping up with the thread, which players are scheduled to work out tomorrow?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/473620190349914113[/tweet]

thanks man pretty underwhelming..

[Risk101]

thanks man pretty underwhelming..

I know..

[UnderdogRaptors]

thx Roland ^

[Risk101]

Lung issues or not, the dude still played 28 mpg (which equates to over 30 mpg in the NBA) as his team's leading scorer while battling with mono all year long, so I think he's proved himself in that regard. For someone with his physical tools and skillset, he'd be an awesome value at 20 imo, but who knows when he gets picked. Some mocks even have him going in the lottery, which shows you how surprising this draft could get after the first 8-10 picks.

I still feel that Capela makes more sense for our team. Payne seems also like a good fit but having any health issues, especially the lung, is still something that should be considered. High risk high reward type of pick.

Is it actual lung issues or was it the mono he had? Was it mono on top of lung issues? If so, wow he's talented lol, I can't imagine playing with those shortcomings, much less playing that well.

havent been keeping up with the thread, which players are scheduled to work out tomorrow?

Jordan Clarkson, Melvin Ejim and Khem Birch.

This is an article back in 2012 with the headlines "Michigan State's Adreian Payne on his lung condition: 'I'm gasping for air and I can't get it".
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf ... yne_1.html

This is a DX article made a couple of months ago

Payne is more susceptible to fatigue, as he has smaller lungs than the average person his size. When he's tired his effectiveness tends to deteriorate here. As his minutes increased over the last four years, his steal, block and offensive rebounding rates all fell off relative to his playing time, although part of that is due to the role he played.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Adreian-Payne-5286/

Its his lungs with out a doubt. He probably did have mono on top of that but its been documented his whole career that he has suffered from his Lungs being smaller then the average person.

[Roland Brice]

I still feel that Capela makes more sense for our team. Payne seems also like a good fit but having any health issues, especially the lung, is still something that should be considered. High risk high reward type of pick.

Is it actual lung issues or was it the mono he had? Was it mono on top of lung issues? If so, wow he's talented lol, I can't imagine playing with those shortcomings, much less playing that well.

havent been keeping up with the thread, which players are scheduled to work out tomorrow?

Jordan Clarkson, Melvin Ejim and Khem Birch.

This is an article back in 2012 with the headlines "Michigan State's Adreian Payne on his lung condition: 'I'm gasping for air and I can't get it".
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf ... yne_1.html

This is a DX article made a couple of months ago

Payne is more susceptible to fatigue, as he has smaller lungs than the average person his size. When he's tired his effectiveness tends to deteriorate here. As his minutes increased over the last four years, his steal, block and offensive rebounding rates all fell off relative to his playing time, although part of that is due to the role he played.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Adreian-Payne-5286/

Its his lungs with out a doubt. He probably did have mono on top of that but its been documented his whole career that he has suffered from his Lungs being smaller then the average person.

Ah I see. Still, it's pretty incredible what he's done in College despite the lung condition.

[Dukenukem23]

I wouldn't touch Payne at 20 with the lung issue. I want a player with starter potential and payne will never be able to effectively play more than 30 mins/game. Come playoffs when the intensity increases and he's busting up and down the court there is no way he will be able to keep up and play heavy mins when we'd need him.

[LoveMyRaps]

havent been keeping up with the thread, which players are scheduled to work out tomorrow?

There is a thread listing all the Ayers working out tomorrow. Look fie it Lol its first page of this forum I believe

[Rapsobsessed7]

The more I watch of KJ the more I like. Him and Payton are my #20 targets.

[CPT]

I may have missed it being posted here, but here's Mike Schmitz' Elfrid Payton vs. elite competition video, posted a few days ago. Can't get it to embed, sorry.

Not a ringing endorsement for his NBA prospects, IMO. Others may see it differently, I'm interested to read people's reactions.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Elf ... 9RQXP-SuHv

[ballislife]

The more I watch of KJ the more I like. Him and Payton are my #20 targets.

Agreed, but there's also Ennis and Anderson that have a great chance to drop to us. Anderson looks like he might be picked at 15 with ATL... they have a lot of interest in him. But Tyler Ennis is looking more and more like our target that has a very good chance at landing with us, especially because Chicago has two picks before us, and they have Rose coming back AND they're looking for shooters (as per their GM).

I hope Ennis falls to 20... he's going to be a really good PG. He has poise on offence, he fills the lanes on D with his above average length, and he's a Torontonian. I really hope he's the PG of the future for us. Lowry is going to be here (hopefully) for the next 3/4 seasons, but having Ennis learn under him and Casey would be huge for our future. We can turn him into a very good PG in the league. A Lowry/Vasquez/Ennis combo at PG is the best in the league. Ennis will also get valuable minutes because GV can easily play backup SG with his size... he'd help Ennis in his first few years because of the pressure he'll take off of him creating for the team. Tyler Ennis is my #1 option if he's available... he'd be the BPA. A lot of room to grow with his shot/D. But he's mature beyond his age.

Payton and KJ would be good picks as well. Both are really good defenders with room to grow. I love that there's a lot of options at #20. Hopefully Masai can get one of them at 20... Masai is keeping things close to his chest with this pick because he's done a ton of research on everyone that could be available. He's already said that he knows what'll be available at 20, so he's not showing other teams who's he's really interested in at 20, so they don't pick up on them. Can't wait for the draft. We should be able to grab a big part of our future at 20.

[Rapsfan07]

Dinwiddie is much more of a Lou Williams than DeMar DeRozan.

Still I think Burton, if he gets a chance, will be a better pro than Dinwiddie.


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[ATLTimekeeper]

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We're bringing in a lot of Canadians and several guys that seem slated to go undrafted. At the same time there have been very few players in our "range" that are slated to come in. Seems like Masai doesn't care about these workouts and is just using the media opportunity to promote Canada Basketball while getting a look at guys they might invite to summer league.

[Kevin Willis]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/473620190349914113[/tweet]

We're bringing in a lot of Canadians and several guys that seem slated to go undrafted. At the same time there have been very few players in our "range" that are slated to come in. Seems like Masai doesn't care about these workouts and is just using the media opportunity to promote Canada Basketball while getting a look at guys they might invite to summer league.

I disagree. I think Masai already knows which players he wants with the first two picks. He had to expand it because a couple players may drop. If someone drops to Atl they might take them and KA would be available. But I'm sure his plan is already set, drafting is his thing.