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Re: The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either 

Post#1101 » by TorontoRapsFan » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:15 pm

Dalek wrote:Poku had himself a game going for 14 and 8 with 3 assists last night in a win. I think he might the youngest player in the NBA currently and he has a skinnier frame than Boucher, but here is getting a start.

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I find it interesting because here is a guy who could not shoot consistently, was rail thin and thought to be a Bruno type of project that would be years away from getting it together, but here he is now in the NBA. It is just interesting to think about reframing how you look at talent.

If you find yourself asking questions about player highlight (how did he pull that off?) he might have something. Look at those flashes of talent you see in a prospect, plus crazy physical attributes and the player's willingness to play fearless, they are guys you want to take a chance on in the NBA. Guys like Bol Bol and now Poku are proving doubters wrong.

This year, Kai Jones just in limited looks is looking like an NBA freak athlete with a willingness to shoot. How does a 6'11 guy do this?

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My other guy is Dalano Banton. Really is a 6'9" PG that has advanced feel for the game that at his height can see over most defenses.

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Poku isn't playing C like Boucher. Also, a mid to late first rounder on every mock draft last year. How is that similar to Bruno? And how is Bol Bol proving anybody wrong? Hell he looks like a wasted 2nd round pick
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Re: The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either 

Post#1102 » by Pooh_Jeter » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:19 pm

It's wild how the Thunder are in the midst of a deep rebuild and giving all their prospects a ton of playing time and only a game separates them from the Raptors. I'm sure Presti is hoping for better lottery odds, but given the war chest of picks he has being competitive this season is just gravy. I think Hill is gone by the deadline and they probably manage to get positive assets for Horford this off-season.

This draft is deep enough they will add some interesting pieces to that core regardless.
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Re: The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either 

Post#1103 » by HeadtopChunes » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:23 pm

Indeed wrote:
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really has HOF talent imo


Reminds me of Bosh, maybe less explosive, but a better passer?


I’m saying Sheed but with a better handle
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Re: The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either 

Post#1104 » by Dalek » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:26 pm

TorontoRapsFan wrote:Poku isn't playing C like Boucher. Also, a mid to late first rounder on every mock draft last year. How is that similar to Bruno? And how is Bol Bol proving anybody wrong? Hell he looks like a wasted 2nd round pick


I think my point was that guys look like they would be long-term projects are already showing short-term returns because they have elite attributes that allows them to get on the floor. Poku is not like Boucher playing C, but he can play PF and contribute now because he can dribble, pass and shoot and is a rim protector. Same with Bol Bol. Bol Bol is facing a minutes crunch but when he plays he is productive. Bol Bol was a late seconder, but I think in a redraft he would likely be a first rounder given his talent.
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Post#1105 » by Dalek » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:38 pm

Pooh_Jeter wrote:It's wild how the Thunder are in the midst of a deep rebuild and giving all their prospects a ton of playing time and only a game separates them from the Raptors. I'm sure Presti is hoping for better lottery odds, but given the war chest of picks he has being competitive this season is just gravy. I think Hill is gone by the deadline and they probably manage to get positive assets for Horford this off-season.

This draft is deep enough they will add some interesting pieces to that core regardless.


Toronto could learn from the Thunder, but Presti is so fearless at talent acquisition and flipping. He traded Paul after he helped them to the playoffs which is a hard decision to make, and now has got Horford's value back up which will surely be traded at the deadline. Toronto has Lowry and will likely face the same decision by the trade deadline. Although, I think we are much more sentimental about the players we have than OKC which seems like a computer is running it.

I do hate the Thunder because they have Maledon and Dort in their rotation who are both guys Toronto should have drafted in those two draft years. We have Flynn and Davis who are similar enough prospects, but I think OKC has seen quicker returns than Toronto, which is annoying.
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Re: The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either 

Post#1106 » by Dalek » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:13 pm

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Dalek wrote:Poku had himself a game going for 14 and 8 with 3 assists last night in a win. I think he might the youngest player in the NBA currently and he has a skinnier frame than Boucher, but here is getting a start.

;ab_channel=Z.Highlights

I find it interesting because here is a guy who could not shoot consistently, was rail thin and thought to be a Bruno type of project that would be years away from getting it together, but here he is now in the NBA. It is just interesting to think about reframing how you look at talent.

If you find yourself asking questions about player highlight (how did he pull that off?) he might have something. Look at those flashes of talent you see in a prospect, plus crazy physical attributes and the player's willingness to play fearless, they are guys you want to take a chance on in the NBA. Guys like Bol Bol and now Poku are proving doubters wrong.

This year, Kai Jones just in limited looks is looking like an NBA freak athlete with a willingness to shoot. How does a 6'11 guy do this?

Spoiler:
Read on Twitter
?s=20


My other guy is Dalano Banton. Really is a 6'9" PG that has advanced feel for the game that at his height can see over most defenses.

Spoiler:
Read on Twitter
?s=20


Poku is like Bol Bol. Poku gets PT because OKC is in rebuilding mode, when Denver is trying to compete.

Teams have missed, like Tskitishvili, Dragan Bender, Jonanthon Bender, etc.

There is Chet Holmgren next year but he's a #1 pick.

I don't see a young Poku this year. There are older bigs like Petrusev and Huff, that can shoot the 3. Neither have the guard ball-handling skills though. Maybe 6'8 Giddey is a project more like Lamelo Ball.

Kai Jones, doesn't get many steals or blocks and is more like a taller Bruno right now. Which is pretty useful. Maybe Isaiah Todd is a 6'10 project worth taking.


Todd is another guy who is a sleeper to take in the first round. He definitely stepped up when Kuminga went out. I don't see Todd as a passer, but he does stretch the floor and has a pretty decent handle for a big. He looked pretty good against the 905.

I really feel like Jones is the biggest sleeper in this class. He might go in the 20s and end up the steal of the draft. He is not like Poku but he an athletic freak who shows glimpses of being a star.

Giddey is a guy I am getting more into, given his age he shouldn't be playing at this high a level. He is not super bursty, but he gets to his spots and has advanced feel for the game. Dynamic passing range and seems really tough. I think he will climb in the draft.

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Post#1107 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:43 pm

not even trying to be PC but we should tank for Paige bueckers
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Post#1108 » by Indeed » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:43 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Indeed wrote:
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really has HOF talent imo


Reminds me of Bosh, maybe less explosive, but a better passer?


I’m saying Sheed but with a better handle


I don't see him as tough as Wallace, but he looks more creative, so he could be better than him in this modern NBA.
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Post#1109 » by Pooh_Jeter » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:47 pm

Mobley is baby AD basically. His defensive potential is insane and he has at least the framework to be everything you want out of a modern big on offense.
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Post#1110 » by Indeed » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:01 pm

Dalek wrote:
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Dalek wrote:Poku had himself a game going for 14 and 8 with 3 assists last night in a win. I think he might the youngest player in the NBA currently and he has a skinnier frame than Boucher, but here is getting a start.

;ab_channel=Z.Highlights

I find it interesting because here is a guy who could not shoot consistently, was rail thin and thought to be a Bruno type of project that would be years away from getting it together, but here he is now in the NBA. It is just interesting to think about reframing how you look at talent.

If you find yourself asking questions about player highlight (how did he pull that off?) he might have something. Look at those flashes of talent you see in a prospect, plus crazy physical attributes and the player's willingness to play fearless, they are guys you want to take a chance on in the NBA. Guys like Bol Bol and now Poku are proving doubters wrong.

This year, Kai Jones just in limited looks is looking like an NBA freak athlete with a willingness to shoot. How does a 6'11 guy do this?

Spoiler:
Read on Twitter
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My other guy is Dalano Banton. Really is a 6'9" PG that has advanced feel for the game that at his height can see over most defenses.

Spoiler:
Read on Twitter
?s=20


Poku is like Bol Bol. Poku gets PT because OKC is in rebuilding mode, when Denver is trying to compete.

Teams have missed, like Tskitishvili, Dragan Bender, Jonanthon Bender, etc.

There is Chet Holmgren next year but he's a #1 pick.

I don't see a young Poku this year. There are older bigs like Petrusev and Huff, that can shoot the 3. Neither have the guard ball-handling skills though. Maybe 6'8 Giddey is a project more like Lamelo Ball.

Kai Jones, doesn't get many steals or blocks and is more like a taller Bruno right now. Which is pretty useful. Maybe Isaiah Todd is a 6'10 project worth taking.


Todd is another guy who is a sleeper to take in the first round. He definitely stepped up when Kuminga went out. I don't see Todd as a passer, but he does stretch the floor and has a pretty decent handle for a big. He looked pretty good against the 905.

I really feel like Jones is the biggest sleeper in this class. He might go in the 20s and end up the steal of the draft. He is not like Poku but he an athletic freak who shows glimpses of being a star.

Giddey is a guy I am getting more into, given his age he shouldn't be playing at this high a level. He is not super bursty, but he gets to his spots and has advanced feel for the game. Dynamic passing range and seems really tough. I think he will climb in the draft.


I am also concern with Jones on his skill set capable of transition to the NBA, but definitely higher ceiling. I am more interested in Isaiah Jackson who may fill one of our needs, as I prefer a shot blocker at C rather than a scorer at C.

Meanwhile, if we got a high 2nd pick, I think there are a few decent rotation big PG/6th man at the spot. Giddey, Ayayi, Nix, Dosunmu are around that spots and they should able to play SG next to VanVleet, and not surprised some teams drafted a wing or big and push them lower.
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Post#1111 » by HeadtopChunes » Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:59 pm

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Man he'd be so perfect here
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Post#1112 » by Son Goku 25 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:01 pm

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Man he'd be so perfect here


Lowkey I prefer him over any other player in the draft, and he fits a need too. Insane.
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Post#1113 » by Psubs » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:14 pm

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Man he'd be so perfect here


Lowkey I prefer him over any other player in the draft, and he fits a need too. Insane.


Me too. He has less deficiencies than the others and is a big. It's not going to be like taking Greg Oden over Durant.

He's not a lumbering big like Cousins or Ayton, he's like AD that is less physically imposing. Though Mobley did win DPOY along with Freshman of the Year and POY in the Pac12.
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Post#1114 » by Psubs » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:29 am

Cunningham took down #2 Baylor!!!
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Post#1115 » by Psubs » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:07 pm

Besides Edwards, Wiseman, Ball and Haliburton, the other players seem to be needing a few more years to show promise.
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Post#1116 » by Bruin » Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:34 pm

I wish we were actually in position for Mobley or Cade. They’re both awesome prospects
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Post#1117 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:10 am

Moody could be really interesting if we end up mid lottery

real size at SG (6'6 with 7ft WS) could be a great pull-up shooter, good finisher, could be a classic 2 guard type (like Ray Allen-ish)
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Post#1118 » by PhilBlackson » Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:11 am

My only "knock" against Mobley if we ever dreamed of making the top 5 is imo while he looks like he'll be a great player BUT he doesn't look like a go to scorer.

When the Playoffs hit, that by far becomes the biggest issue for this roster. When Kawhi was here, no problem ofc but all the other years there just wasn't that guy and I don't think Mobley will be that guy.

I can see Green becoming that the most but Cade has also shown the ability to takeover and I think Kuminga can be developed to do so with more perimeter skills. I think Suggs could too but I'd want more height/length defensively.
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Post#1119 » by Psubs » Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:23 am

PhilBlackson wrote:My only "knock" against Mobley if we ever dreamed of making the top 5 is imo while he looks like he'll be a great player BUT he doesn't look like a go to scorer.

When the Playoffs hit, that by far becomes the biggest issue for this roster. When Kawhi was here, no problem ofc but all the other years there just wasn't that guy and I don't think Mobley will be that guy.

I can see Green becoming that the most but Cade has also shown the ability to takeover and I think Kuminga can be developed to do so with more perimeter skills. I think Suggs could too but I'd want more height/length defensively.


Fair enough, but that's with the position like AD, I guess guess he's not as dominant as Embiid. Heck Giannis isn't a go to scorer down the stretch.
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Post#1120 » by Mark_83 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:24 am

We're back in lottery range. Perfect time for Silver to "pay us back" for being good soldiers.

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