2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[agkagk]

Reading through all these Lowry sign and trade offers have left me confused:

Two questions:

1) isn’t it against the rules to combine a sign and traded player with other assets?

2) aren’t most of these proposals pie in the sky? — like isn’t the biggest sign and trade package ever a draft pick or something?

Tnx in advance.

[DangerZone13]

Here is what Masai should do. A series of two 3-ways Toronto-Cleveland-Philly

Trade 1. 3 way. Love (protected first round pick) to Toronto, Lowry (S+T) to Philly, Simmons to Cleveland.
Trade 2. 3 way. Colin Sexten to Toronto. Seth Curry to Cleveland. Chris Boucher to Philly.
Proviso: Cleveland agrees to flip #3 for #4 either Green or Mobley to Toronto for presumably Suggs.
Lowry gets 2 years 60 mil from Philly.

PG: FVV, Sexten, Malachi
SG: Trent jr, Sexten, Bembry
SF: OG, Yuta, Watson
PF: Paskal, Love, Gillespie
Centre: Mobley, Birch, Filip Petrusev

Small point guard haters there are other teams...

I think Philly is gonna need a lot more value for Simmons than Lowry+Boucher for Simmons, especially Lowry at $30M/season. Look at the haul fans are hoping to get for Siakam. I think we can assume the actual offers will be less than the demands of the team's fans, but not this much less. Cavs would have to send at least some 1sts to Philly here. I don't think the Cavs have enough assets to both get Ben Simmons, and dump Love on a third team unless the #4 is going to Philly in your scenario.

[Blood Orange]

Next year's team looks promising with the likely incoming draft picks. I'm expecting the Raps to also pick up another undrafted PG, who I don't have a slight inkling of whom it might be yet. I don't think we really need to pick up any additional free agents this year, and if this scenario happens, I can possibly see Lowry coming back to play a back up role until perhaps the playoffs rolls around.

Mobley / Birch / Gillespie
Siakam / Boucher
OG / Yuta / Wieskamp
Trent Jr. / Watson / Scottie Lewis
FVV / Flynn / (Lowry)

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Reading through all these Lowry sign and trade offers have left me confused:

Two questions:

1) isn’t it against the rules to combine a sign and traded player with other assets?

2) aren’t most of these proposals pie in the sky? — like isn’t the biggest sign and trade package ever a draft pick or something?

Tnx in advance.

s&t return assets are dependent on the other team's cap status. If they have enough capspace to sign them outright, then your leverage is minimal; best you can get is a TPE and maybe a pick.
For Lowry there are teams like Miami, Dallas, NYK who could just sign him outright. Raps are hopeful a deal can be worked out with sixers/lakers/clippers who dont have the capspace to sign him.

[M3tro]

Re-sign Lowry and flip Malachi at the draft for another 1st, nabbing a big.

[Morris_Shatford]

Any guesses on which team will move assets for the privilege of maxing out Colin Sexton?

[Asif16]

Any guesses on which team will move assets for the privilege of maxing out Colin Sexton?

1. If New York fails to get Lonzo Ball....I can easily see this as their fallback option. New YOrk makes a lot of sense to be honest.

2. The clippers make sense as well, but they need a 3rd team to maximize more assets to Cleveland.

3. THis is a long shot but maybe to Philly to in a deal involving Ben Simmons?

4. Miami is a team to watch as well but. think they would be very wary off a max contract considering how cash strapped they already are

[Rapsfan07]

Any guesses on which team will move assets for the privilege of maxing out Colin Sexton?

1. If New York fails to get Lonzo Ball....I can easily see this as their fallback option. New YOrk makes a lot of sense to be honest.

2. The clippers make sense as well, but they need a 3rd team to maximize more assets to Cleveland.

3. THis is a long shot but maybe to Philly to in a deal involving Ben Simmons?

4. Miami is a team to watch as well but. think they would be very wary off a max contract considering how cash strapped they already are

Yup. I had New York as my only option.

Clips don't have the assets to get it done.
Miami has the capspace but I think they'd rather pay Lowry $60/3yrs or so than to max out Sexton. Either way they're an option.

[ItsDanger]

At this point, Sexton is 95% likely traded. How does this impact our #4 pick, not sure.

[Asif16]

At this point, Sexton is 95% likely traded. How does this impact our #4 pick, not sure.

All depends on wether or not Cleveland feels like a Suggs/Garland backcourt is gonna be worth it.

Someone is gonna have to be playing off-position like we did with Lowry/FVV for years

[Morris_Shatford]

At this point, Sexton is 95% likely traded. How does this impact our #4 pick, not sure.

Garland is more of the traditional PG of the two;
Which would lead me to believe that if Green is on the board at 3 he is going to Cleveland.

But its Cleveland....
Who knows

[ItsDanger]

We don't know the return for Sexton but lets say its a SF maybe. If Green goes #2, I'm thinking that Cleveland may go for Suggs. A Garland/Suggs backcourt works.

[Asif16]

At this point, Sexton is 95% likely traded. How does this impact our #4 pick, not sure.

Garland is more of the traditional PG of the two;
Which would lead me to believe that if Green is on the board at 3 he is going to Cleveland.

But its Cleveland....
Who knows

Just posted similar thoughts over in the draft thread.

I think Jalen Green is who they want. This makes me think if Cleveland is willing to trade Sexton +3rd for the 2nd pick (+ small add) to get up and pick Green.

Because all reports and rumors have the Rockets picking Jalen Green

[Asif16]

We don't know the return for Sexton but lets say its a SF maybe. If Green goes #2, I'm thinking that Cleveland may go for Suggs. A Garland/Suggs backcourt works.

It has a good chance of working but its still not ideal. One would be playing off-position and they're both undersized guards.

Sexton and Garland didn't work for this exact reason. I think Cleveland is looking for a player with more Size and Length. Which makes me believe they might choose Kuminga

[ItsDanger]

We don't know the return for Sexton but lets say its a SF maybe. If Green goes #2, I'm thinking that Cleveland may go for Suggs. A Garland/Suggs backcourt works.

It has a good chance of working but its still not ideal. One would be playing off-position and they're both undersized guards.

Sexton and Garland didn't work for this exact reason. I think Cleveland is looking for a player with more Size and Length. Which makes me believe they might choose Kuminga

Sexton isn't great off the ball, while Suggs has good potential there. Suggs in transition, Garland in half court.

[Morris_Shatford]

At this point, Sexton is 95% likely traded. How does this impact our #4 pick, not sure.

Garland is more of the traditional PG of the two;
Which would lead me to believe that if Green is on the board at 3 he is going to Cleveland.

But its Cleveland....
Who knows

Just posted similar thoughts over in the draft thread.

I think Jalen Green is who they want. This makes me think if Cleveland is willing to trade Sexton +3rd for the 2nd pick (+ small add) to get up and pick Green.

Because all reports and rumors have the Rockets picking Jalen Green

For exactly that reason I think the Rox interest in Green could very well be vapor;
Green beside Garland while sending Sexton out for assets is potentially the most ideal fit for the Cavs @ 3

The Rox suddenly turning on the interest in Green certainly encourages the Cavs to try and move up if Green is really the guy they want while Houston potentially ends up with Mobley @ 3 for less money and a few assets in the process.

[Asif16]

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[Rapsfan07]

Garland is more of the traditional PG of the two;
Which would lead me to believe that if Green is on the board at 3 he is going to Cleveland.

But its Cleveland....
Who knows

Just posted similar thoughts over in the draft thread.

I think Jalen Green is who they want. This makes me think if Cleveland is willing to trade Sexton +3rd for the 2nd pick (+ small add) to get up and pick Green.

Because all reports and rumors have the Rockets picking Jalen Green

For exactly that reason I think the Rox interest in Green could very well be vapor;
Green beside Garland while sending Sexton out for assets is potentially the most ideal fit for the Cavs @ 3

The Rox suddenly turning on the interest in Green certainly encourages the Cavs to try and move up if Green is really the guy they want while Houston potentially ends up with Mobley @ 3 for less money and a few assets in the process.

Bingo. This is what I think Houston is trying to do.

Either way, we're laughing. If this is a Houston smokescreen, we end up with Suggs. If not, we get Mobley. We really can't lose.

[vulture]

I'm surprised you guys want to trade for Sexton considering his selfish tendencies. I just can't see the raptors trading for a guy who doesn't pass.

[Rapsfan07]

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So Indiana still wants a PG...

What about something around FVV + Boucher and stuff for Turner and Levert?

Then make an offer to Ball, draft Suggs.

Ball/Levert/OG/Siakam/Turner is a pretty solid youngish core. Plus we'll have the option to match Trent and trade him. Still have Flynn as well