Former Raptor discussion thread 3.0

[ForeverTFC]

It is ever so slightly disappointing to me that Schroder was apparently a bad personality fit here...as abrasive as he is, he is a dawg and fits well on a Pistons team that is tough as hell. Team might have been a bit too soft.

He's been like that everywhere he's been, not just here. I hope he finds a home in Detroit, but history tells you they will move away from him as well. This is from his brief stint in Boston:

When first arriving in Boston, Schroder’s main impact came as a scoring option to help off the bench and serve as a sparkplug for the second unit. With the team struggling offensively, Schroder’s scoring ability soon pushed the conversation towards a bigger role for the veteran guard, and he found himself as an integral part of Boston’s rotation. Some of his scoring bursts had helped the Celtics win games, especially his season-high 38 points against the Milwaukee Bucks back in November.

As the season went on and the Celtics struggled to find consistency, some issues about Schroder’s fit on the team became clear. Schroder and Smart didn’t fit together due to Schroder’s need as a primary ballhandler and Smart’s shooting, and Schroder’s tendency to get tunnel vision soon grew to undeniable levels. More whispers of Schroder being on the block began to spread, and Ime Udoka notably started to stray away from him. The Schroder-Celtics honeymoon phase was over in a flash, and now it seems like the veteran has all but checked out on the team in the last month.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/2/3/22912639/dennis-schroder-boston-celtics-out-nba-trade-deadline

That's basketball fit which is more than fair, but I remember hearing it was also a personality fit thing here.

It was personality there as well. It's in there if you read between the lines and was mentioned in a few pods.

[djsunyc]

god bless

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love pascal but it didnt make them a contender. it made them a good 2nd round team or ecf with injuries. but now they need to go into tax to keep turner or else they dip back down.

[Boogie!]

Davion Mitchell starting killing it at soon as he left Toronto. I kept saying that if he just became an average offensive player he’d be amazing because his defense was so good. Well he’s been at least that in Miami… kind of sucks we got rid of him… I get he was older and have shead and in the grand scheme of things he was never gonna get the chance to be a full time starter with quickley here, but I liked Mitchell. We seemed to play better in the games where he was the starting pg.

[Boogie!]

god bless

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I honestly have no **** idea how people were watching siakam all this time and came to the conclusion that Scottie had more scoring ability than him… and people wonder why I’m such a dick. Watch those highlights and tell me you’ve seen Scottie move, create space, handle or finish that way. Not to mention his ability to shoot the **** ball.

[ArthurVandelay]

Offloaded Kelly right on schedule…..

Michael Scotto: New Orleans Pelicans center Kelly Olynyk had a minimally invasive surgery on his left heel and ultrasound guided tendon debridement. His recovery timetable is 3-4 months.

[Boogie!]

Offloaded Kelly right on schedule…..

Michael Scotto: New Orleans Pelicans center Kelly Olynyk had a minimally invasive surgery on his left heel and ultrasound guided tendon debridement. His recovery timetable is 3-4 months.

Realistically he was never part of the long term plans anyway. But yeah at least we got Ingram out of him.

[duppyy]

god bless

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It's so annoying that we never got this Siakam against the Celtics bubble series. Even if he was half as good instead of a complete disaster we would've won the series and possibly go to the finals that year.

He's a great 2nd fiddle, the problem with bubble siakam he couldn't handle the pressure of being #1.

[Los_29]

GTJ outplaying Norm in the playoffs was not on my Bingo card.

[Dalek]

Davion Mitchell starting killing it at soon as he left Toronto. I kept saying that if he just became an average offensive player he’d be amazing because his defense was so good. Well he’s been at least that in Miami… kind of sucks we got rid of him… I get he was older and have shead and in the grand scheme of things he was never gonna get the chance to be a full time starter with quickley here, but I liked Mitchell. We seemed to play better in the games where he was the starting pg.

I liked his energy and thought he was a perfect redraft candidate. You could feel the team's energy pick-up when he got defensive stops. Toronto's front office basically showcased him for Miami. He is a good back-up on a playoff team and we just gave up on him for a second rounder.

He even improved his shooting here and then took it to another level with Miami and had a really good post-season for them (15 PPG and 50% from three). It was a puzzling move but due to new factors with the salary cap (BI, Barnes, IQ owed a lot next year), you assume guys we have to pay soon will be under a microscope. I am assuming we trade Ochai for a second, and lose Boucher next. We are getting top-heavy.

[WuTang_OG]

Doug Christie Presser

shout out from scott perry

https://youtu.be/F71kxtcmiOA?t=64

[Wise80]

god bless

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love pascal but it didnt make them a contender. it made them a good 2nd round team or ecf with injuries. but now they need to go into tax to keep turner or else they dip back down.

Yep. The Bucks aren't the Bucks of old.

I'm rooting for them but I think they go out pretty quick next round.

[BetterCallSaul]

Fred out here bricking 3s,playing 40 mins, checking his feel just to brick clutch 3s

He is exactly what Boogie told you he was

Crazy how people can watch a guy for 7 years and still have no clue about him.

Crickets the last three games all of a sudden. Meanwhile, he's also one of the best defensive starting point guards of the last 8 years

[bluerap23]

Fred out here bricking 3s,playing 40 mins, checking his feel just to brick clutch 3s

He is exactly what Boogie told you he was

Crazy how people can watch a guy for 7 years and still have no clue about him.

Crickets the last three games all of a sudden. Meanwhile, he's also one of the best defensive starting point guards of the last 8 years

Amen. Some people just look at box scores. Even when Fred has a bad shooting night he is affecting winning. Look at Houston's record without him. He isn't a superstar. He is overpaid. But damn he is a solid PG.

Also - just got to hand it to Masai for trading these guys to playoff teams. Makes the post-season so much more fun.

[Los_29]

Fred out here bricking 3s,playing 40 mins, checking his feel just to brick clutch 3s

He is exactly what Boogie told you he was

Crazy how people can watch a guy for 7 years and still have no clue about him.

Crickets the last three games all of a sudden. Meanwhile, he's also one of the best defensive starting point guards of the last 8 years

Yeah I think there’s just a lot of bitterness because of how things have turned out. Fred, Pascal and OG were supposed to be holding Scottie back. They left and it was time for Scottie to ascend into superstardom. Scottie has really struggled and the ones who have left have had a ton of success on their new teams.

Fred is not a superstar but he’s a good player who has consistently impacted winning in a positive way. Casual fans aren’t going to notice the things that he does. They’ll just see the 38% from the field. But what’s crazy is he’s been more efficient than Scottie throughout his career despite being a much smaller player.

[bluerap23]

People round here have no appreciation for what we had

[littlerock2277]

Fred OG, Powell, siakiam all playing well in the playoffs. I wish they wouldn’t have commanded so much money. At least with that core I know we would easily be a top 6 team in the east. Damn Kawhi, he really had easily the most balanced team an nba superstar could ask for.

[GLF]

Fred out here bricking 3s,playing 40 mins, checking his feel just to brick clutch 3s

He is exactly what Boogie told you he was

Crazy how people can watch a guy for 7 years and still have no clue about him.

Crickets the last three games all of a sudden. Meanwhile, he's also one of the best defensive starting point guards of the last 8 years

Yeah I think there’s just a lot of bitterness because of how things have turned out. Fred, Pascal and OG were supposed to be holding Scottie back. They left and it was time for Scottie to ascend into superstardom. Scottie has really struggled and the ones who have left have had a ton of success on their new teams.

Fred is not a superstar but he’s a good player who has consistently impacted winning in a positive way. Casual fans aren’t going to notice the things that he does. They’ll just see the 38% from the field. But what’s crazy is he’s been more efficient than Scottie throughout his career despite being a much smaller player.

Pretty much this. A lot of people on this board I have come to realize are box score watchers or use stats without context. How people view Fred and Kyle Lowry tells me all I need to know about how much they truly understand the game. Fred has always impacted winning even with his inefficiency. And when he starts hitting shots like he is now, it’s over. Us as Raptors fans have seen it first hand.

Is Fred a superstar? No. Is he overpaid? Yes. But he’s a damn good player and a better PG than like IQ for example. You see how surgical he’s been in the pick and roll. Every time he gets into the paint he makes something happen. And this is an improvement Fred has made too. He wasn’t this good at it when he was here.

Which also shows players can make incremental improvements later in their careers and it can make the world of difference. For the tankers who think right when someone turns 24 it’s over for them or incremental improvements over multiple years means nothing, they can watch a guy like Fred and many other players. IQ can only dream of being that good in the pick and roll as the ball handler. But just as Fred improved I believe IQ can as well.

[BetterCallSaul]

Crazy how people can watch a guy for 7 years and still have no clue about him.

Crickets the last three games all of a sudden. Meanwhile, he's also one of the best defensive starting point guards of the last 8 years

Yeah I think there’s just a lot of bitterness because of how things have turned out. Fred, Pascal and OG were supposed to be holding Scottie back. They left and it was time for Scottie to ascend into superstardom. Scottie has really struggled and the ones who have left have had a ton of success on their new teams.

Fred is not a superstar but he’s a good player who has consistently impacted winning in a positive way. Casual fans aren’t going to notice the things that he does. They’ll just see the 38% from the field. But what’s crazy is he’s been more efficient than Scottie throughout his career despite being a much smaller player.

Pretty much this. A lot of people on this board I have come to realize are box score watchers or use stats without context. How people view Fred and Kyle Lowry tells me all I need to know about how much they truly understand the game. Fred has always impacted winning even with his inefficiency. And when he starts hitting shots like he is now, it’s over. Us as Raptors fans have seen it first hand.

Is Fred a superstar? No. Is he overpaid? Yes. But he’s a damn good player and a better PG than like IQ for example. You see how surgical he’s been in the pick and roll. Every time he gets into the paint he makes something happen. And this is an improvement Fred has made too. He wasn’t this good at it when he was here.

Which also shows players can make incremental improvements later in their careers and it can make the world of difference. For the tankers who think right when someone turns 24 it’s over for them or incremental improvements over multiple years means nothing, they can watch a guy like Fred and many other players. IQ can only dream of being that good in the pick and roll as the ball handler. But just as Fred improved I believe IQ can as well.

There's almost no amount under the max you can pay someone that makes them overpaid on a 2 year deal. First year you expect production, second year the worst case they're a massive expiring which is super valuable even if they aren't producing. The whole "he is overpaid" thing is not even true when you consider they have him on a 2 plus a TEAM option.
His salary hasn't prevented them from getting any massive star. If anything, he was probably one of the key pieces a team like Miami would ask for in a Jimmy trade or something.

[Los_29]

Yeah I think there’s just a lot of bitterness because of how things have turned out. Fred, Pascal and OG were supposed to be holding Scottie back. They left and it was time for Scottie to ascend into superstardom. Scottie has really struggled and the ones who have left have had a ton of success on their new teams.

Fred is not a superstar but he’s a good player who has consistently impacted winning in a positive way. Casual fans aren’t going to notice the things that he does. They’ll just see the 38% from the field. But what’s crazy is he’s been more efficient than Scottie throughout his career despite being a much smaller player.

Pretty much this. A lot of people on this board I have come to realize are box score watchers or use stats without context. How people view Fred and Kyle Lowry tells me all I need to know about how much they truly understand the game. Fred has always impacted winning even with his inefficiency. And when he starts hitting shots like he is now, it’s over. Us as Raptors fans have seen it first hand.

Is Fred a superstar? No. Is he overpaid? Yes. But he’s a damn good player and a better PG than like IQ for example. You see how surgical he’s been in the pick and roll. Every time he gets into the paint he makes something happen. And this is an improvement Fred has made too. He wasn’t this good at it when he was here.

Which also shows players can make incremental improvements later in their careers and it can make the world of difference. For the tankers who think right when someone turns 24 it’s over for them or incremental improvements over multiple years means nothing, they can watch a guy like Fred and many other players. IQ can only dream of being that good in the pick and roll as the ball handler. But just as Fred improved I believe IQ can as well.

There's almost no amount under the max you can pay someone that makes them overpaid on a 2 year deal. First year you expect production, second year the worst case they're a massive expiring which is super valuable even if they aren't producing. The whole "he is overpaid" thing is not even true when you consider they have him on a 2 plus a TEAM option.
His salary hasn't prevented them from getting any massive star. If anything, he was probably one of the key pieces a team like Miami would ask for in a Jimmy trade or something.

Yeah Houston had so many players on rookie deals that they could pay a guy like Fred 43 million. They wanted him to mentor the young guys and he’s on a 2 + 1 (team option) deal. It’s worked out well for both parties.

[Clay Davis]

People round here have no appreciation for what we had

My mom thought Draymond was Lebron and told me that Lebron said Fred was the reason why we beat them in the play-offs

Love Fred's rizz! He was great that series.