2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[LoveMyRaps]

Let’s say the raptors get a pick from 2-4

I think a Giannis deal isnt so far fetched

I agree. If we don't win the Flagg sweepstakes, package the pick for Giannis.

[CazOnReal]

I'm so tired of Giannis trades

[Wise80]

I'm so tired of Giannis trades

Seriously. We're further away then we were a few years ago when we were going after Dame and KD when we had like 4 NBA players on the roster.

Even if we somehow stole him, we're not doing anything with him.

Give the bench 2 more years to get to a competitive level, add a few more pieces, and then we'll be ready for top tier guy.

[PushDaRock]

I'm so tired of Giannis trades

Seriously. We're further away then we were a few years ago when we were going after Dame and KD when we had like 4 NBA players on the roster.

Even if we somehow stole him, we're not doing anything with him.

Give the bench 2 more years to get to a competitive level, add a few more pieces, and then we'll be ready for top tier guy.

Top Tier players aren't available all the time, you don't get to pick and choose when the right time is to get them.

The likelihood is we won't get him and also that the current roster won't do anything either, doesn't mean you don't try anyways.

[billy_hoyle]

I'm so tired of Giannis trades

Seriously. We're further away then we were a few years ago when we were going after Dame and KD when we had like 4 NBA players on the roster.

Even if we somehow stole him, we're not doing anything with him.

Give the bench 2 more years to get to a competitive level, add a few more pieces, and then we'll be ready for top tier guy.

Top Tier players aren't available all the time, you don't get to pick and choose when the right time is to get them.

The likelihood is we won't get him and also that the current roster won't do anything either, doesn't mean you don't try anyways.

Who hasn't been available?

Players traded since 2019:
Kawhi (finals MVP, DPOY)
Paul George (Top 5 MVP candidate)
James Harden (former MVP)
Anthony Davis (4x all NBA 1st team)
Luka Doncic (MVP candidate)
Donovan Mitchell (MVP candidate)
Rudy Gobert (4x DPOY)
Kevin Durant (Former MVP)
Kyrie (9x all star, 2nd team All NBA)
Towns (All NBAer)
Dame (All NBAer)
Jimmy Butler (All NBAer)
Fox + Haliburton + Sabonis (All NBA teams)

+ Now Giannis.

There's more elite players on this list than off it at this point.

[PushDaRock]

Seriously. We're further away then we were a few years ago when we were going after Dame and KD when we had like 4 NBA players on the roster.

Even if we somehow stole him, we're not doing anything with him.

Give the bench 2 more years to get to a competitive level, add a few more pieces, and then we'll be ready for top tier guy.

Top Tier players aren't available all the time, you don't get to pick and choose when the right time is to get them.

The likelihood is we won't get him and also that the current roster won't do anything either, doesn't mean you don't try anyways.

Who hasn't been available?

Players traded since 2019:
Kawhi (finals MVP, DPOY)
Paul George (Top 5 MVP candidate)
James Harden (former MVP)
Anthony Davis (4x all NBA 1st team)
Luka Doncic (MVP candidate)
Donovan Mitchell (MVP candidate)
Rudy Gobert (4x DPOY)
Kevin Durant (Former MVP)
Kyrie (9x all star, 2nd team All NBA)
Towns (All NBAer)
Dame (All NBAer)
Jimmy Butler (All NBAer)
Fox + Haliburton + Sabonis (All NBA teams)

+ Now Giannis.

There's more elite players on this list than off it at this point.

By Top Tier I mean literally Top 5, maybe stretch it closer to Top 10 if you want.

You have Kawhi and Luka that would fit that definition. The rest do not or were borderline top 10 when they got traded.

Neither guy was really "available". Kawhi picked his own destination and Nico picked Luka's.

[MessiahUjiri]

The Magic:
It’s obvious the Magic will make a move for PG this offseason. They have 4 picks, but there’s no way they will bring 4 rookies in - a trade is inevitable.
They need shooting and backcourt creation. Their core is in their early to mid 20s, and it would be great to get someone who matches their timeline.


The Raptors
The Raptors are in a much earlier stage of team building cycle. They really like Quickley:17 & 7 with good shooting, and locked for 4 years. But they should be open to shopping him if they get a package that makes the team better.
The Raps FO seems to love this draft. They’ve been scouting guys in person who are around the ORL #16 pick (eg Traore, Demin). They also seem to love guys like Anthony Black - 6’7, smart and versatile.


Here’s the trade:

Immanuel Quickley for Anthony Black, #16, salary (KCP)



The Raptors could go Maluach #7 + Traore/Demin #16, and get a complete team that can grow:

Black / Traore
Barrett / KCP / Jakobe
Ingram / Dick / Ochai
Barnes /
Poeltl / Maluach

+#39

Good luck scoring on that length.


We would have pure scorers (Ingram, Barrett, Dick)

And disruptive defenders (Scottie, Maluach, Black, Ochai)

And great 2 way vets (Poeltl, KCP)

And high upside young guards (Jakobe, Traore)


This is Masai’s vision.

[CazOnReal]

The Magic:
It’s obvious the Magic will make a move for PG this offseason. They have 4 picks, but there’s no way they will bring 4 rookies in - a trade is inevitable.
They need shooting and backcourt creation. Their core is in their early to mid 20s, and it would be great to get someone who matches their timeline.


The Raptors
The Raptors are in a much earlier stage of team building cycle. They really like Quickley:17 & 7 with good shooting, and locked for 4 years. But they should be open to shopping him if they get a package that makes the team better.
The Raps FO seems to love this draft. They’ve been scouting guys in person who are around the ORL #16 pick (eg Traore, Demin). They also seem to love guys like Anthony Black - 6’7, smart and versatile.


Here’s the trade:

Immanuel Quickley for Anthony Black, #16, salary (KCP)



The Raptors could go Maluach #7 + Traore/Demin #16, and get a complete team that can grow:

Black / Traore
Barrett / KCP / Jakobe
Ingram / Dick / Ochai
Barnes /
Poeltl / Maluach

+#39

Good luck scoring on that length.


We would have pure scorers (Ingram, Barrett, Dick)

And disruptive defenders (Scottie, Maluach, Black, Ochai)

And great 2 way vets (Poeltl, KCP)

And high upside young guards (Jakobe, Traore)


This is Masai’s vision.

This is cr*p, you're taking away even more shooting for "potential".

[MessiahUjiri]

The Magic:
It’s obvious the Magic will make a move for PG this offseason. They have 4 picks, but there’s no way they will bring 4 rookies in - a trade is inevitable.
They need shooting and backcourt creation. Their core is in their early to mid 20s, and it would be great to get someone who matches their timeline.


The Raptors
The Raptors are in a much earlier stage of team building cycle. They really like Quickley:17 & 7 with good shooting, and locked for 4 years. But they should be open to shopping him if they get a package that makes the team better.
The Raps FO seems to love this draft. They’ve been scouting guys in person who are around the ORL #16 pick (eg Traore, Demin). They also seem to love guys like Anthony Black - 6’7, smart and versatile.


Here’s the trade:

Immanuel Quickley for Anthony Black, #16, salary (KCP)



The Raptors could go Maluach #7 + Traore/Demin #16, and get a complete team that can grow:

Black / Traore
Barrett / KCP / Jakobe
Ingram / Dick / Ochai
Barnes /
Poeltl / Maluach

+#39

Good luck scoring on that length.


We would have pure scorers (Ingram, Barrett, Dick)

And disruptive defenders (Scottie, Maluach, Black, Ochai)

And great 2 way vets (Poeltl, KCP)

And high upside young guards (Jakobe, Traore)


This is Masai’s vision.

This is cr*p, you're taking away even more shooting for "potential".

Is that you Bryan Colangelo?

this is MASAI’s version of a roster build - prioritizing size, defense, playmaking, and intelligence. Then you add on shooting after (see Norm, Siakam, Fred, OG, Scottie)

[TorontoBarneys]

Amen is crazy good. I wonder what would have become of our pick had we not meddled with it through the Poeltl trade.

[LoveMyRaps]

Is JJJ available?

He's gonna be an expiring contract this upcoming season and hasn't been extended.

Would LOVE to acquire him. He'd be a perfect fit on this team.

RJ + Dick/Walter + 2 first round picks?

Quickley
Ingram
Barnes
JJJ
Poeltl

That's a pretty sweet lineup.

[bballsparkin]

The Magic:
It’s obvious the Magic will make a move for PG this offseason. They have 4 picks, but there’s no way they will bring 4 rookies in - a trade is inevitable.
They need shooting and backcourt creation. Their core is in their early to mid 20s, and it would be great to get someone who matches their timeline.


The Raptors
The Raptors are in a much earlier stage of team building cycle. They really like Quickley:17 & 7 with good shooting, and locked for 4 years. But they should be open to shopping him if they get a package that makes the team better.
The Raps FO seems to love this draft. They’ve been scouting guys in person who are around the ORL #16 pick (eg Traore, Demin). They also seem to love guys like Anthony Black - 6’7, smart and versatile.


Here’s the trade:

Immanuel Quickley for Anthony Black, #16, salary (KCP)



The Raptors could go Maluach #7 + Traore/Demin #16, and get a complete team that can grow:

Black / Traore
Barrett / KCP / Jakobe
Ingram / Dick / Ochai
Barnes /
Poeltl / Maluach

+#39

Good luck scoring on that length.


We would have pure scorers (Ingram, Barrett, Dick)

And disruptive defenders (Scottie, Maluach, Black, Ochai)

And great 2 way vets (Poeltl, KCP)

And high upside young guards (Jakobe, Traore)


This is Masai’s vision.

Not sure about drafting KM. Otherwise I like it. IQ is nice and all. But #16 in this draft looks good. I doubt Orlando even wants to include KCP. Maybe the Raptors trade Black.

What about something like this.

Toronto trades: IQ (Orlando) Portland 2nd round (Boston). Orlando trades KCP (toronto) and Black (Boston) + 16th (toronto). Boston trades Pritchard (toronto)

Pritchard / Shead / Traore
Barrett / KCP / Jakobe
Ingram / Dick / Ochai
Barnes / Newell or CMB or Noa
Poeltl / Free Agent

People probably say that Boston woulldn't do that. And maybe that's true. It's an idea that's all.

The team might step back but takes a swing on two high upside players.

[Tripod]

KCP was awful this year...we wont go near him.

Make it stop.

[bballsparkin]

KCP was awful this year...we wont go near him.

Make it stop.

he's just salary filler. the goal is the frp in a deep draft. and Black or preferably whoever you can flip him for. Anthony is nice. Just a horrible fit on this team. I guess I just don't have faith in IQ like you do.


edit: he was horrible in the playoffs now that i look so maybe you have a point.

[Tripod]

KCP was awful this year...we wont go near him.

Make it stop.

he's just salary filler. the goal is the frp in a deep draft. and Black or preferably whoever you can flip him for. Anthony is nice. Just a horrible fit on this team. I guess I just don't have faith in IQ like you do.


edit: he was horrible in the playoffs now that i look so maybe you have a point.

And he makes 22 million the next 2 years. And plays a position that we have lots of depth that need to play.

We are looking to win games next year, let's fill the backup C spot and have a great draft and see how the pieces play together. Then we can make moves based on that.

[MessiahUjiri]

KCP was awful this year...we wont go near him.

Make it stop.

he's just salary filler. the goal is the frp in a deep draft. and Black or preferably whoever you can flip him for. Anthony is nice. Just a horrible fit on this team. I guess I just don't have faith in IQ like you do.


edit: he was horrible in the playoffs now that i look so maybe you have a point.

And he makes 22 million the next 2 years. And plays a position that we have lots of depth that need to play.

We are looking to win games next year, let's fill the backup C spot and have a great draft and see how the pieces play together. Then we can make moves based on that.

If we draft Maluach, the backup C is filled.

It’s actually ideal to pair Poeltl’s contract with a rookie contract at C. Poeltl will be looking for a raise next year.

Black is the exact guy that Masai tends to like: 6’7, high IQ, great defense…and not great shooting lol.

Remember that Ingram will miss a bunch of games. KCP can step in at SF. Then next year he becomes an expiring contract that can be aggregated to make our “real” championship move.

[Tripod]

he's just salary filler. the goal is the frp in a deep draft. and Black or preferably whoever you can flip him for. Anthony is nice. Just a horrible fit on this team. I guess I just don't have faith in IQ like you do.


edit: he was horrible in the playoffs now that i look so maybe you have a point.

And he makes 22 million the next 2 years. And plays a position that we have lots of depth that need to play.

We are looking to win games next year, let's fill the backup C spot and have a great draft and see how the pieces play together. Then we can make moves based on that.

If we draft Maluach, the backup C is filled.

It’s actually ideal to pair Poeltl’s contract with a rookie contract at C. Poeltl will be looking for a raise next year.

Black is the exact guy that Masai tends to like: 6’7, high IQ, great defense…and not great shooting lol.

Remember that Ingram will miss a bunch of games. KCP can step in at SF. Then next year he becomes an expiring contract that can be aggregated to make our “real” championship move.

Sorry, I can't get behind trading away a 25 year old PG capable of 19ppg 6assist while shooting the 3 near 39% for a 31 year old on a bad contract and a 21 year old who just shot 15% from 3 and isn't a PG or SG

[gerrit4]

Let’s say the raptors get a pick from 2-4

I think a Giannis deal isnt so far fetched

I agree. If we don't win the Flagg sweepstakes, package the pick for Giannis.

It's the one trade that makes a lot of sense to me. Trading Harper/Bailey/Edgecombe plus Scottie for Giannis is a pretty competitive offer, and would be tough to beat. We'd also still have a very good team, with (in theory) all of our future picks and young players. A lineup of IQ/RJ/Ingram/Giannis/Jakob with a good young bench could be a top team in the east for quite a few years, and is considerably better than his backing cast in MIL.

If we win the lottery, I think you've got to go with Flagg and just see how it goes. Even though we have guys at his position, I think there's plenty of minutes for him and he'd fit in great. If the pick stays at 7/8/9, now we probably have to give up too many additional picks for it to make sense to us. Once we start trading everything, then there's not a lot of room to grow the roster around him.

[CazOnReal]

The Magic:
It’s obvious the Magic will make a move for PG this offseason. They have 4 picks, but there’s no way they will bring 4 rookies in - a trade is inevitable.
They need shooting and backcourt creation. Their core is in their early to mid 20s, and it would be great to get someone who matches their timeline.


The Raptors
The Raptors are in a much earlier stage of team building cycle. They really like Quickley:17 & 7 with good shooting, and locked for 4 years. But they should be open to shopping him if they get a package that makes the team better.
The Raps FO seems to love this draft. They’ve been scouting guys in person who are around the ORL #16 pick (eg Traore, Demin). They also seem to love guys like Anthony Black - 6’7, smart and versatile.


Here’s the trade:

Immanuel Quickley for Anthony Black, #16, salary (KCP)



The Raptors could go Maluach #7 + Traore/Demin #16, and get a complete team that can grow:

Black / Traore
Barrett / KCP / Jakobe
Ingram / Dick / Ochai
Barnes /
Poeltl / Maluach

+#39

Good luck scoring on that length.


We would have pure scorers (Ingram, Barrett, Dick)

And disruptive defenders (Scottie, Maluach, Black, Ochai)

And great 2 way vets (Poeltl, KCP)

And high upside young guards (Jakobe, Traore)


This is Masai’s vision.

This is cr*p, you're taking away even more shooting for "potential".

Is that you Bryan Colangelo?

It's someone with common sense.

Black has shown zero development as a shooter and if he's starting then there's going to be less outside shooting than before with IQ. If you start Dick then you're giving up a lot defensively.

"Masai's vision" had guys like Lowry, Green and Fred who were guards that could shoot and defend. This trade does not do that and the fact you have to eat KCP's awful contract only makes that all the bigger pill to swallow because he's been bad this season/on the decline.

That aside, we already have too many guard mouths to feed minutes so adding another guard to develop is only going to hurt Dick, Walter and Shead by spreading out their minutes even further. And this is before we assume Traore gets drafted in this scenario and thus adds another guard to the rotation that has to compete for significant minutes.

Bad trade. Not that complicated why it's bad.

[Johnston]

I trust our front office when it comes to drafting. All the outlets saying "Maluach at 7" are being lazy. I think Masai goes with the most talented player, if that's him so be it. But I don't see him drafting him because we need a backup C. Masai seems to choose character, attitude and personality above all else with high picks.