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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1101 » by tsherkin » Wed Aug 6, 2025 10:44 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:It's year three, I feel like we have a good understanding of what he brings at this point. It's "Vibes".


He's a coach. They are very far from the thing most important to winning.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1102 » by Merit » Wed Aug 6, 2025 11:23 pm

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Y u talk b 4 season starts?

U will need 2 b more patient.

The team is trying 2 win.

They were not trying 2 win last year.

We have not seen the team play 2gether yet.

Please b smrt cuz

If they were trying to win, Darko wouldn't be here.


Given that Darko has been focused on player development and his reputation has been as a player development coach, that’s a fair assumption at first glance. However, if we dig just a little bit deeper - we have been tanking since he got here. This is the first season we are looking to compete. At least give the man a chance before deciding so firmly that the path is losing. I admire your commitment to the negative rizz.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1103 » by Merit » Wed Aug 6, 2025 11:24 pm

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Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:It's year three, I feel like we have a good understanding of what he brings at this point. It's "Vibes".


He's a coach. They are very far from the thing most important to winning.


Hey fentanyl, do me a solid and quantify why all you feel he brings are “vibes”.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1104 » by Merit » Thu Aug 7, 2025 12:25 am

Clay Davis wrote:I'd like for someone to disabuse me of this understanding of the rizz of Ingram:

My impression is is that he is a scorer closer to the level of Demar Derozan and Pascal than to the level of Kawhi.

What are the counter-arguments to this? And even if the above statement is true, do we still have the potential to be a competitive top 4 seed?


He’s DeRozan esque in that he operates in the mid range. He’s not at all like derozan in that he shoots over 40% on catch and shoot 3s.

Esfandar Baraheni’s most recent video for raptors republic suggested that only he, Steph and KD were 20+/5/5 on 47/37/85 over the last 3 years. Pretty elite company. Whether he gets/stays there is tbd, but his passing should play up. In that way, he’s similar to Demar. In terms of Pascal, aside from being in similar spots, I don’t really see the comparison, but haven’t dug into the stats to check.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1105 » by Nebuchadnezzar » Thu Aug 7, 2025 1:00 am

Merit wrote:
Clay Davis wrote:I'd like for someone to disabuse me of this understanding of the rizz of Ingram:

My impression is is that he is a scorer closer to the level of Demar Derozan and Pascal than to the level of Kawhi.

What are the counter-arguments to this? And even if the above statement is true, do we still have the potential to be a competitive top 4 seed?


He’s DeRozan esque in that he operates in the mid range. He’s not at all like derozan in that he shoots over 40% on catch and shoot 3s.

Esfandar Baraheni’s most recent video for raptors republic suggested that only he, Steph and KD were 20+/5/5 on 47/37/85 over the last 3 years. Pretty elite company. Whether he gets/stays there is tbd, but his passing should play up. In that way, he’s similar to Demar. In terms of Pascal, aside from being in similar spots, I don’t really see the comparison, but haven’t dug into the stats to check.


He's much better 3pt shooter.....which makes all the difference when discussing Demar. So if he's Demar with a 3pt shot, then he is a superstar.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1106 » by Clay Davis » Thu Aug 7, 2025 2:39 am

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Clay Davis wrote:Thank you for your thought out post Tsherkin.

I suppose I'm cautiously optimistic for this season; are we likely to be a top-4 seed? No... but we may be within a couple of seeds of it.


It depends on the particulars. There's as good a chance that we're 6th as that we're 9th, you know?


I feel that Scottie hasn't taken his growth very seriously, to be honest,


I don't think Scottie has failed to take his growth seriously. I think he just has a ceiling to certain skills and that we aren't deploying him optimally, that's all. Not every player can become exactly what you want, even if they work at it. Some guys just don't have the capacity to reach those upper levels. It takes a lot, and he's missing most of the traits and skills we'd normally look for to take him there, that's all.


Well, I think that a play-off push would motivate Scottie to work even harder in the off-season. I just feel like that's the person he is. That's my perception of his rizz.

I feel like on the scale between optimism and pessimism, Tsherkin, I lean towards being an optometrist rather than a penissimist.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1107 » by Clay Davis » Thu Aug 7, 2025 2:40 am

Nebuchadnezzar wrote:
Merit wrote:
Clay Davis wrote:I'd like for someone to disabuse me of this understanding of the rizz of Ingram:

My impression is is that he is a scorer closer to the level of Demar Derozan and Pascal than to the level of Kawhi.

What are the counter-arguments to this? And even if the above statement is true, do we still have the potential to be a competitive top 4 seed?


He’s DeRozan esque in that he operates in the mid range. He’s not at all like derozan in that he shoots over 40% on catch and shoot 3s.

Esfandar Baraheni’s most recent video for raptors republic suggested that only he, Steph and KD were 20+/5/5 on 47/37/85 over the last 3 years. Pretty elite company. Whether he gets/stays there is tbd, but his passing should play up. In that way, he’s similar to Demar. In terms of Pascal, aside from being in similar spots, I don’t really see the comparison, but haven’t dug into the stats to check.


He's much better 3pt shooter.....which makes all the difference when discussing Demar. So if he's Demar with a 3pt shot, then he is a superstar.


I think that his scoring totals, though, say that he's closer to Demar than Steph/KD. If he was capable of Steph/KD volume, it'd reflect in his ppg rizz.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1108 » by Thaddy » Thu Aug 7, 2025 2:53 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
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Thaddy wrote:IQ can be similar to Fox. I think Fox is overrated and had one good year because of Sabonis. Ingram could be a poor man's Durant and comparable to Booker. They aren't a bad top two options on offense. It also allows Barnes to be in a Mobley like role where he focuses on defensive impact. We are heavily being slept on. Unless we get injuries we should be very good.

Fox is at least top 20 player, we don't have one of those. Like, he's a starter at the all star game.


In what world is Fox a top 20 player?

6'2 guard that can't shoot tricked a lot of people into thinking he's special.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1109 » by Merit » Thu Aug 7, 2025 11:39 am

Clay Davis wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
Clay Davis wrote:Thank you for your thought out post Tsherkin.

I suppose I'm cautiously optimistic for this season; are we likely to be a top-4 seed? No... but we may be within a couple of seeds of it.


It depends on the particulars. There's as good a chance that we're 6th as that we're 9th, you know?


I feel that Scottie hasn't taken his growth very seriously, to be honest,


I don't think Scottie has failed to take his growth seriously. I think he just has a ceiling to certain skills and that we aren't deploying him optimally, that's all. Not every player can become exactly what you want, even if they work at it. Some guys just don't have the capacity to reach those upper levels. It takes a lot, and he's missing most of the traits and skills we'd normally look for to take him there, that's all.


Well, I think that a play-off push would motivate Scottie to work even harder in the off-season. I just feel like that's the person he is. That's my perception of his rizz.

I feel like on the scale between optimism and pessimism, Tsherkin, I lean towards being an optometrist rather than a penissimist.


Do you offer rose coloured rizz lenses?
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1110 » by Merit » Thu Aug 7, 2025 11:40 am

Clay Davis wrote:
Nebuchadnezzar wrote:
Merit wrote:
He’s DeRozan esque in that he operates in the mid range. He’s not at all like derozan in that he shoots over 40% on catch and shoot 3s.

Esfandar Baraheni’s most recent video for raptors republic suggested that only he, Steph and KD were 20+/5/5 on 47/37/85 over the last 3 years. Pretty elite company. Whether he gets/stays there is tbd, but his passing should play up. In that way, he’s similar to Demar. In terms of Pascal, aside from being in similar spots, I don’t really see the comparison, but haven’t dug into the stats to check.


He's much better 3pt shooter.....which makes all the difference when discussing Demar. So if he's Demar with a 3pt shot, then he is a superstar.


I think that his scoring totals, though, say that he's closer to Demar than Steph/KD. If he was capable of Steph/KD volume, it'd reflect in his ppg rizz.


Is there really a big difference between 24 and 27 ppg?
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1111 » by tsherkin » Thu Aug 7, 2025 1:42 pm

Clay Davis wrote:Well, I think that a play-off push would motivate Scottie to work even harder in the off-season. I just feel like that's the person he is. That's my perception of his rizz.


Maybe. Probably not, minding that we DID make the playoffs in his rookie season, but who knows at this juncture? I don't ultimately think it'd matter that much, anyhow. Mostly, I"m hoping that we transition to BI as our focal point and help Scottie shoot less, but be supported more when he does.

I feel like on the scale between optimism and pessimism, Tsherkin, I lean towards being an optometrist rather than a penissimist.


I see what you did there xD
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1112 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Thu Aug 7, 2025 2:47 pm

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LoveMyRaps wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Fox is at least top 20 player, we don't have one of those. Like, he's a starter at the all star game.


In what world is Fox a top 20 player?

6'2 guard that can't shoot tricked a lot of people into thinking he's special.

He started the all star game right? That's top ten, technically. So, like top 20 is more than a safe assumption.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1113 » by Godaddycurse » Thu Aug 7, 2025 3:03 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
In what world is Fox a top 20 player?

6'2 guard that can't shoot tricked a lot of people into thinking he's special.

He started the all star game right? That's top ten, technically. So, like top 20 is more than a safe assumption.


he wasn't a starter. Team lebron started james/jokic/embiid/irving/doncic. Fox was an injury replacement in 2022-2023

https://www.nba.com/allstar/2023/all-star-roster
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1114 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Thu Aug 7, 2025 3:10 pm

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Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
Thaddy wrote:6'2 guard that can't shoot tricked a lot of people into thinking he's special.

He started the all star game right? That's top ten, technically. So, like top 20 is more than a safe assumption.


he wasn't a starter. Team lebron started james/jokic/embiid/irving/doncic. Fox was an injury replacement in 2022-2023

https://www.nba.com/allstar/2023/all-star-roster

Sure, he's still 20+ easy.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1115 » by tsherkin » Thu Aug 7, 2025 3:21 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:He started the all star game right? That's top ten, technically. So, like top 20 is more than a safe assumption.


he wasn't a starter. Team lebron started james/jokic/embiid/irving/doncic. Fox was an injury replacement in 2022-2023

https://www.nba.com/allstar/2023/all-star-roster

Sure, he's still 20+ easy.


EDIT: I'm dumb and was talking about the wrong player.
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Post#1116 » by Godaddycurse » Thu Aug 7, 2025 3:21 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:He started the all star game right? That's top ten, technically. So, like top 20 is more than a safe assumption.


he wasn't a starter. Team lebron started james/jokic/embiid/irving/doncic. Fox was an injury replacement in 2022-2023

https://www.nba.com/allstar/2023/all-star-roster

Sure, he's still 20+ easy.


techincally if you are an injury replacement you are closer to top 30 since the original roster is 26 players and there are 3-4 replacements.

I think overall outside of that one year he is closer to being a top 40 player. We wouldnt call barnes a top 20 player for making allstar as an injury replacement either.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1117 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Thu Aug 7, 2025 3:26 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
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he wasn't a starter. Team lebron started james/jokic/embiid/irving/doncic. Fox was an injury replacement in 2022-2023

https://www.nba.com/allstar/2023/all-star-roster

Sure, he's still 20+ easy.


techincally if you are an injury replacement you are closer to top 30 since the original roster is 26 players and there are 3-4 replacements.

I think overall outside of that one year he is closer to being a top 40 player. We wouldnt call barnes a top 20 player for making allstar as an injury replacement either.

He's put up 25+, like four times. Not worth what they gave him, probably. He produces though.
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Post#1118 » by tsherkin » Thu Aug 7, 2025 3:36 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:He's put up 25+, like four times. Not worth what they gave him, probably. He produces though.


You're talking about Fox here? Yeah, he's put up an inefficient 25+ ppg a few teams, which means a lot less than it sounds.
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Post#1119 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Thu Aug 7, 2025 3:40 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:He's put up 25+, like four times. Not worth what they gave him, probably. He produces though.


You're talking about Fox here? Yeah, he's put up an inefficient 25+ ppg a few teams, which means a lot less than it sounds.

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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#1120 » by Tacoma » Thu Aug 7, 2025 3:48 pm

Merit wrote:
Clay Davis wrote:I'd like for someone to disabuse me of this understanding of the rizz of Ingram:

My impression is is that he is a scorer closer to the level of Demar Derozan and Pascal than to the level of Kawhi.

What are the counter-arguments to this? And even if the above statement is true, do we still have the potential to be a competitive top 4 seed?


He’s DeRozan esque in that he operates in the mid range. He’s not at all like derozan in that he shoots over 40% on catch and shoot 3s.

Esfandar Baraheni’s most recent video for raptors republic suggested that only he, Steph and KD were 20+/5/5 on 47/37/85 over the last 3 years. Pretty elite company. Whether he gets/stays there is tbd, but his passing should play up. In that way, he’s similar to Demar. In terms of Pascal, aside from being in similar spots, I don’t really see the comparison, but haven’t dug into the stats to check.


I don't know where this Esfandar guy gets his numbers but a lot more cumulatively averaged at least 20/5/5 since 2022-23 season, like Dejounte Murray, LeMello Ball, Desmond Bane, Cade Cunningham, LeBron, Luka and Jokic, just to name a few. It's not common but also not that rare.

That said, I do agree that other than drawing FT's, BI has been the better scorer and overall the better player. However, you can't score if you don't play and DeRozan has been a workhorse playing at least 70 games for vast majority of his career vs. constantly injured Ingram.

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