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2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1121 » by Mr Swagtastic » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:54 pm

JamesNaismith wrote:^^We've pretty much echoed each other with that idea (Davis + pick for Miller or Barnes) but I would actually be willing to give up Davis for Gilchrist straight up IF we landed Drummond.


So would I then trade Bargs for whatever defensive C we could get look at the DC after

PG: Bayless/Calderon
SG: DeRozan/Barbosa (till he expires)
SF: Gillchrist/James Johnson/Klezia
PF: Drummond/Amir/Dorsey or Evans on the cheap
C: Bargs or Brags trade/Jonas V/Alabi

Not too shabby just need a to bolster the roster with some backup help at the SG and see if we could move Jose if needed for anything really.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1122 » by S.W.A.N » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:05 am

Mr Swagtastic wrote:
JamesNaismith wrote:^^We've pretty much echoed each other with that idea (Davis + pick for Miller or Barnes) but I would actually be willing to give up Davis for Gilchrist straight up IF we landed Drummond.


So would I then trade Bargs for whatever defensive C we could get look at the DC after

PG: Bayless/Calderon
SG: DeRozan/Barbosa (till he expires)
SF: Gillchrist/James Johnson/Klezia
PF: Drummond/Amir/Dorsey or Evans on the cheap
C: Bargs or Brags trade/Jonas V/Alabi

Not too shabby just need a to bolster the roster with some backup help at the SG and see if we could move Jose if needed for anything really.


Take out Drummond put in Davis and I down with that
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1123 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:38 am

S.W.A.N wrote:
Mr Swagtastic wrote:
JamesNaismith wrote:^^We've pretty much echoed each other with that idea (Davis + pick for Miller or Barnes) but I would actually be willing to give up Davis for Gilchrist straight up IF we landed Drummond.


So would I then trade Bargs for whatever defensive C we could get look at the DC after

PG: Bayless/Calderon
SG: DeRozan/Barbosa (till he expires)
SF: Gillchrist/James Johnson/Klezia
PF: Drummond/Amir/Dorsey or Evans on the cheap
C: Bargs or Brags trade/Jonas V/Alabi

Not too shabby just need a to bolster the roster with some backup help at the SG and see if we could move Jose if needed for anything really.


Take out Drummond put in Davis and I down with that


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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1124 » by Salted Meat » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:56 pm

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S.W.A.N wrote:Take out Drummond put in Davis and I down with that


Wow..are you serious?


+1

Davis is going to be a fine player, but a Drummond/Valanciunas frontcourt has the chance to be something really special. Two aggressive-as-hell big men who can both block shots, grab boards and put the ball in the hoop? We'd be set for the next decade.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1125 » by djsunyc » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:56 pm

with val on the horizon, i would look to move amir or ed for an SF or PG (whomever is the better talent that's returning). then next draft, take a player at the other position.

no need for lowry - we have bayless.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1126 » by Salted Meat » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:11 pm

What, do you guys think, is the highest draft-pick return we could get for DeRozan? I'd imagine his value would increase a bit by the end of the season, but I'm imagining a scenario where we have our own top 5 pick, trade DD for a top 5 pick, and Davis for a top 8 pick.

Trade our pick or the DD pick + an asset like Amir for the rights to Drummond, Take Quincy Miller or Barnes (whichever is available) with our other top-5 pick, and take Brad Beal with our top 8 pick.

sign Matt Barnes (overpay him if you have to) so we have a tough-as-nails vet to keep the young guys in check.

Bayless/Calderon
Beal/ M.Barnes
Miller (H.Barnes)/ Johnson
Drummond/Bargnani
Valanciunas/Bargnani/Alabi
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1127 » by 7-Day Dray » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:01 pm

Salted Meat wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
S.W.A.N wrote:Take out Drummond put in Davis and I down with that


Wow..are you serious?


+1

Davis is going to be a fine player, but a Drummond/Valanciunas frontcourt has the chance to be something really special. Two aggressive-as-hell big men who can both block shots, grab boards and put the ball in the hoop? We'd be set for the next decade.


I'm prettyt sure S.W.A.N is talking about Anthony Davis, not Ed.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1128 » by Salted Meat » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:23 pm

7-Day Dray wrote:
Salted Meat wrote:
S.W.A.N wrote:Take out Drummond put in Davis and I down with that


Davis is going to be a fine player, but a Drummond/Valanciunas frontcourt has the chance to be something really special. Two aggressive-as-hell big men who can both block shots, grab boards and put the ball in the hoop? We'd be set for the next decade.


I'm prettyt sure S.W.A.N is talking about Anthony Davis, not Ed.


I was too. I'd rather have Andre Drummond than Anthony Davis in a front court with JV.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1129 » by Rhettmatic » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:25 pm

Beyond the partisan "I'm with the owners, screw the union!" or vice versa, what do people think of this idea?

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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1130 » by Salted Meat » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:33 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:Beyond the partisan "I'm with the owners, screw the union!" or vice versa, what do people think of this idea?

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Can it be retroactive for the past 3 years?

I think it's a solid idea, aside from it placing an even greater emphasis on tanking, and making it difficult for teams to include future first rounders in trades.
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Post#1131 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:35 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:Beyond the partisan "I'm with the owners, screw the union!" or vice versa, what do people think of this idea?

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I also brought this idea when I heard it b4. If you don't make the playoffs den u get 2 picks. Do a lottery for the 14 non playoff teams for their 1st over all pick, den der 2nd pick can be in a serpentine or fixed order. 1st pick also gets 14th or 28th pick and so on and so on. 2nd round starts @ pick 29 going to the worst record of all the playoff teams.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1132 » by JamesNaismith » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:02 pm

Given our current situation I love it BUT....

I can imagine teams that are just skimming into the playoffs being pretty damn sour about it. Personally I think it makes more sense in that it should make the league far more COMPETITIVE and at a quicker rate. I think it would balance out the league much better from here on out but that's just my 2c.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1133 » by bboyskinnylegs » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:28 pm

I think it would hurt the treadmill playoff teams the most and might give just a bit too much incentive to flat out tank if they're barely going to squeak in anyways, but it would certainly give a lot of hope for the future to bottom of the barrel teams (as ours is now), who generally have little hope of landing impact FA's the way things are now, and can either continue to rebuild through the draft or have some solid draft picks to use as trade assets if they choose. If I remember correctly, under the union proposal the playoff teams would then have all of the 2nd round non-guaranteed picks to choose players with.

As a Raps fan, it would certainly be nice to see it happen.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1134 » by Mr Swagtastic » Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:00 pm

Salted Meat wrote:What, do you guys think, is the highest draft-pick return we could get for DeRozan? I'd imagine his value would increase a bit by the end of the season, but I'm imagining a scenario where we have our own top 5 pick, trade DD for a top 5 pick, and Davis for a top 8 pick.

Trade our pick or the DD pick + an asset like Amir for the rights to Drummond, Take Quincy Miller or Barnes (whichever is available) with our other top-5 pick, and take Brad Beal with our top 8 pick.

sign Matt Barnes (overpay him if you have to) so we have a tough-as-nails vet to keep the young guys in check.

Bayless/Calderon
Beal/ M.Barnes
Miller (H.Barnes)/ Johnson
Drummond/Bargnani
Valanciunas/Bargnani/Alabi


How the hell do we end up with 3 top 10 picks? I can see ours there for sure but really Davis for a top 8 pick by himself I think not. If we could get that I take that and run and draft one of Barnes, Miller and call it a day and keep DeRozan. Beal is a prospect you don't trade legit talent ala DeRozan for a prospect/project and I am a major Florida Gators fan. If Toronto could land Miller and Drummond in the same draft without moving DeRozan/Jonas V or a unprotected pick in 2013 I am all for it.

I love the Matt Barnes signing for toughness though
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1135 » by NH » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:30 am

Not a fan of the Bleacher Report, but they had some interesting trade ideas:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9316 ... ors/page/2

1.) Barbosa for Michael Beasley
2.) Amir Johnson, Jerryd Bayless and a 2nd-Round Pick for Josh Smith (not sure if we have a 2nd round pick)
3.) Jerryd Bayless and Ed Davis for Serge Ibaka and Nate Robinson
4.) Andrea Bargnani for Corey Maggette and 2012 Unprotected 1st-Round Pick
5.) Raptors Receive: Al Jefferson, Mikael Pietrus, Jazz 2012 1st-Round Pick

Suns Receive: Andrea Bargnani, Linas Kleiza

Jazz Receive: Jared Dudley, Josh Childress, Suns 2012 2nd-Round
6.) Leandro Barbosa for Mikael Pietrus and Robin Lopez

For 1.), I rather have Wes Johnson and one of their back up PGs than Beasley, but Beasley still intrigues me somewhat. 2.) and 3.) won't happen. 4.) is somewhat interesting but I doubt Bucks will give up their pick. I rather go Bargnani and Bayless for Corey Maggette and Brandon Jennings. 5.) won't happen. 6.) looks possible.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1136 » by Twoism » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:59 am

NH wrote:4.) is somewhat interesting but I doubt Bucks will give up their pick. I rather go Bargnani and Bayless for Corey Maggette and Brandon Jennings.


Maggette plays with the Bobcats.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1137 » by BigBaller » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:11 am

Raptors trade Ed Davis to Charlotte Bobcats for their first round pick

Raptors trade Ajinca + Alabi for Hasheem Thabeet

Klieza + James Johnson for Mbah a Route + 2012 2nd round pick

Raptors have two top 10 picks

Barnes selected with Raps pick, Kabongo selected with Bobcats pick.

Kabongo/Calderon/Bayless
DeRozan/Barbosa/Bayless
Barnes/Mbah a Route
Bargs/A. Johnson
Valanciunas/Thabeet

Now that is an awesome team right there.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1138 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:21 am

NH wrote:Not a fan of the Bleacher Report, but they had some interesting trade ideas:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9316 ... ors/page/2

1.) Barbosa for Michael Beasley
2.) Amir Johnson, Jerryd Bayless and a 2nd-Round Pick for Josh Smith (not sure if we have a 2nd round pick)
3.) Jerryd Bayless and Ed Davis for Serge Ibaka and Nate Robinson
4.) Andrea Bargnani for Corey Maggette and 2012 Unprotected 1st-Round Pick
5.) Raptors Receive: Al Jefferson, Mikael Pietrus, Jazz 2012 1st-Round Pick

Suns Receive: Andrea Bargnani, Linas Kleiza

Jazz Receive: Jared Dudley, Josh Childress, Suns 2012 2nd-Round
6.) Leandro Barbosa for Mikael Pietrus and Robin Lopez

For 1.), I rather have Wes Johnson and one of their back up PGs than Beasley, but Beasley still intrigues me somewhat. 2.) and 3.) won't happen. 4.) is somewhat interesting but I doubt Bucks will give up their pick. I rather go Bargnani and Bayless for Corey Maggette and Brandon Jennings. 5.) won't happen. 6.) looks possible.


1.) No
2.) No. Pointless for us
3.) OKC says no and so do I. Don't we have enough PFs?
4.) In a heartbeat!
5.) Looks amazing. We make out like bandits IMO
6.) Meh. Rather deal Barbosa to the Bulls. I'd do it if we're sending out Andrea though. Good pieces for us
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Post#1139 » by JamesNaismith » Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:06 am

NH wrote:Not a fan of the Bleacher Report, but they had some interesting trade ideas:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9316 ... ors/page/2

1.) Barbosa for Michael Beasley F*ck no!!!

2.) Amir Johnson, Jerryd Bayless and a 2nd-Round Pick for Josh Smith (not sure if we have a 2nd round pick) Clog up minutes at SF with a potential franchise talent in the draft -- umm no

3.) Jerryd Bayless and Ed Davis for Serge Ibaka and Nate Robinson In a heartbeat

4.) Andrea Bargnani for Corey Maggette and 2012 Unprotected 1st-Round Pick CHA's 1st rd LMAO...not happening but I would have a heart attack if Jordan was that dumb

5.) Raptors Receive: Al Jefferson, Mikael Pietrus, Jazz 2012 1st-Round Pick
Suns Receive: Andrea Bargnani, Linas Kleiza
Jazz Receive: Jared Dudley, Josh Childress, Suns 2012 2nd-Round
Makes ZERO sense for PHX and UT but again f*ck yeah for us

6.) Leandro Barbosa for Mikael Pietrus and Robin Lopez Ciao Barbs!


Not sure if how realistic most of them are except for MAYBE #1 (but that's terrible for us) and #6.
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Re: 2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II 

Post#1140 » by Mr Swagtastic » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:26 pm

NH wrote:Not a fan of the Bleacher Report, but they had some interesting trade ideas:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9316 ... ors/page/2

1.) Barbosa for Michael Beasley
2.) Amir Johnson, Jerryd Bayless and a 2nd-Round Pick for Josh Smith (not sure if we have a 2nd round pick)
3.) Jerryd Bayless and Ed Davis for Serge Ibaka and Nate Robinson
4.) Andrea Bargnani for Corey Maggette and 2012 Unprotected 1st-Round Pick
5.) Raptors Receive: Al Jefferson, Mikael Pietrus, Jazz 2012 1st-Round Pick

Suns Receive: Andrea Bargnani, Linas Kleiza

Jazz Receive: Jared Dudley, Josh Childress, Suns 2012 2nd-Round
6.) Leandro Barbosa for Mikael Pietrus and Robin Lopez

For 1.), I rather have Wes Johnson and one of their back up PGs than Beasley, but Beasley still intrigues me somewhat. 2.) and 3.) won't happen. 4.) is somewhat interesting but I doubt Bucks will give up their pick. I rather go Bargnani and Bayless for Corey Maggette and Brandon Jennings. 5.) won't happen. 6.) looks possible.


1) There is no way in hell Minny dumps Beasley for a expiring useless contract as would be the case with Barbs. It's just terrible for them they could do a lot better. I would take that deal and run if I am Toronto and not look back. Beasley maybe a tweener but he's a solid 15 ppg and 7-8 rpg guy and he's young. If he flops we send him to another team for some assets or flip him + Davis for a early 2012 1st

2) Josh Smith is really good and would be the guy I would have wanted here if we didn't have a glut of PF's as it is now. Davis is there, Bargs is there and I don't see how all three could co-exist. Plus trading a quality young combo guard in Bayless in the process would be a tough pill to swallow.

3) I think we take that deal and run with it, Ibaka looks like a damn good defender and would be a amazing piece to play with Jonas V yeah giving up Davis and Bayless would be a tough pill to swallow but think of how good the defense would be with possibly Barnes/Ibaka/Jonas V up front that is :droop: worthy to me. OKC wouldn't make that deal anyways with Harden, Thabo, Maynor, Westbrook all in the fold Bayless isn't really needed.

4) Really good trade for Toronto as we get another 1st in a really deep draft only thing is having to play the dumb as rocks Maggette.

5) Not sure if Al Jefferson is going to be moved by the Jazz for that, he's was acquired for a lot more and is hands down a lot better then the poo-poo platter that they receive I would say Chill has really negative value right now in this CBA and isn't the best fit for them with that deal.

6) Obviously we would say yes to that deal. Pietrus has value as a defensive wing and Lopez might have as a defensive backup 5 here long term if he could develop into something the way I see it is it's a free look for us. If we don't want Lopez fine he's gone it's not like Barbosa helps us do anything really
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