Jonas Valanciunas 11/12 Season Thread III

dbenalal · Post #1121 » by **dbenalal** » Thu May 3, 2012 4:35 pm

where can i see a boxscore

HSOB SIRHC · Post #1122 » by **HSOB SIRHC** » Thu May 3, 2012 4:38 pm

15pts (6/9) 6reb 3ast 1blk (although I thought it should be 2-3 blks)

xprt · Post #1123 » by **xprt** » Thu May 3, 2012 4:38 pm

Regression2u wrote:Why did Redikas go pro? He's only 19.

Now he can't play in the NCAA... may have improved the fundamentals of his game better and would be a stronger presence on Rytas in the future

* That was a nasty spin move and dunk by that Russian guy

He is getting paid and improving by practising against experienced pros. If he would gone to NCAA 3-4 years of school to get education playing for free and slower developing playing against kids. It would be better option to go to play in NCAA if he planned to in NBA but in reality I don't think he would go earlier than late second round after good season.
Btw if anyone interested CSKA playing in 1h20 minutes finals game.

JV4MVP · Post #1124 » by **JV4MVP** » Thu May 3, 2012 4:40 pm

HSOB SIRHC wrote:15pts (6/9) 6reb 3ast 1blk (although I thought it should be 2-3 blks)

Thought it was 19/9

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1125 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Thu May 3, 2012 4:42 pm

http://www.vtb-league.com/ru/game/1209.htm

RPzB · Post #1126 » by **RPzB** » Thu May 3, 2012 4:48 pm

Regression2u wrote:
HSOB SIRHC wrote:15pts (6/9) 6reb 3ast 1blk (although I thought it should be 2-3 blks)

Thought it was 19/9

It was 8 rebs and 3 blocks, but you know how everyone gives a dang about stats in VTB league.

BalticGiants · Post #1127 » by **BalticGiants** » Thu May 3, 2012 4:52 pm

xprt wrote: It would be better option to go to play in NCAA if he planned to in NBA but in reality I don't think he would go earlier than late second round after good season.
Btw if anyone interested CSKA playing in 1h20 minutes finals game.

Redikas to NBA? Second round? Some-one really is watching and dreaming too much about NBA. It will be good of he'll ever reach the level of NT and will be Euroleague's level guard. Jeees, if Rytas has NBA prospect Jonas, it doesn't mean every young player is NBA prospect in Rytas

xprt · Post #1128 » by **xprt** » Thu May 3, 2012 5:02 pm

BalticGiants wrote:
xprt wrote: It would be better option to go to play in NCAA if he planned to in NBA but in reality I don't think he would go earlier than late second round after good season.
Btw if anyone interested CSKA playing in 1h20 minutes finals game.

Redikas to NBA? Second round? Some-one really is watching and dreaming too much about NBA. It will be good of he'll ever reach the level of NT and will be Euroleague's level guard. Jeees, if Rytas has NBA prospect Jonas, it doesn't mean every young player is NBA prospect in Rytas

Do you know how to read? I said if he had good season at best his chance would be to be drafted. His body is made for NBA 6''4' PG with big frame over 200lbs pretty athletic, good handles, active on D. He did have 22/10 against u19 USA I bet he would stand his own in NCAA.

kingz32 · Post #1129 » by **kingz32** » Thu May 3, 2012 5:10 pm

meh....forget it

BalticGiants · Post #1130 » by **BalticGiants** » Thu May 3, 2012 5:20 pm

xprt wrote:
BalticGiants wrote:
xprt wrote: It would be better option to go to play in NCAA if he planned to in NBA but in reality I don't think he would go earlier than late second round after good season.
Btw if anyone interested CSKA playing in 1h20 minutes finals game.

Redikas to NBA? Second round? Some-one really is watching and dreaming too much about NBA. It will be good of he'll ever reach the level of NT and will be Euroleague's level guard. Jeees, if Rytas has NBA prospect Jonas, it doesn't mean every young player is NBA prospect in Rytas

Do you know how to read? I said if he had good season at best his chance would be to be drafted. His body is made for NBA 6''4' PG with big frame over 200lbs pretty athletic, good handles, active on D. He did have 22/10 against u19 USA I bet he would stand his own in NCAA.

Yes I know how to read and I found it strange trying to push every prospect to NBA perspective even with thouse "if". Yes Redikas is big enough, strong enough and athletic enough, but he's nothing close for being PG in NBA with his handling "abilities", he has no quickness of NBA also and that's the key. He seems too static, too raw and not quick, mobile enough to treat him as big time prospect (looking now playing with pros). Hopefully he's developing and I see him being NT material, but I don't see him being NBA material and nothing really close. Also his shooting abilities are average so far. IMO, his seiling is a strong combo guard of Euroleague. However, I would agree that Redikas along with Čižauskas are the most talented players after Jonas from that golden generation.

God Squad · Post #1131 » by **God Squad** » Thu May 3, 2012 6:00 pm

kingz32 wrote:meh....forget it

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DA_SCOUT · Post #1132 » by **DA_SCOUT** » Thu May 3, 2012 7:47 pm

Could someone provide me with Jonas's per 40 stats, along with a link?

Thanks in advance!

Dr Positivity · Post #1133 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu May 3, 2012 8:05 pm

Lithuania: 23.2 pts, 12 rbs, 3 blks, 67% 2P
VTB: 17.1 pts, 11.7 rbs, 2.7 bks, 59% 2P
Eurocup: 17 pts, 12 rbs, 2.5 blks, 63.4% 2P

http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cn ... rID=129294

Other leagues are small amount of games

UcanUwill · Post #1134 » by **UcanUwill** » Thu May 3, 2012 11:23 pm

Redikas has terrible handles, ball protection in particular. If he had good handles, he was one of the better young combos in Europe. He still is, one of the leaders of Lithunian 1992 team.

P.S RealGM has all the stats you need, very convenient

http://basketball.realgm.com/international/league/2/Eurocup/team/83/Lietuvos_Rytas/stats

Dr Mufasa wrote:Lithuania: 23.2 pts, 12 rbs, 3 blks, 67% 2P
VTB: 17.1 pts, 11.7 rbs, 2.7 bks, 59% 2P
Eurocup: 17 pts, 12 rbs, 2.5 blks, 63.4% 2P

Actually, his per 40s are :

Lithuania : 26 pts. 13.7 rebs. 3.5 blks. 69% FG
VTB : 18.3 pts. 12.8 rebs. 3 blks. 58% FG
Eurocup : 18.5 pts. 13.1 reb. 2.7 blks. 63.4 FG

Raptor_Claw · Post #1135 » by **Raptor_Claw** » Fri May 4, 2012 12:26 am

raptor21_85 wrote:its easy for me to figure out you're not a Raptors fan.. nice joke, btw.. cause Bargs and DeMar would kick the ish out of CSKA

Kirilenko and Khyrapa can guard both of them quite easily. So that certainly isn't true.

highness wrote:

Dallas beat Miami in 6. With old man Peja, Brian Cardinal, Mahinmi, Barea, old as hell Kidd, etc. in their rotation.

Just basically Dirk, Terry, Chandler (who was not that good in FIBA 2010), and a half zone that NBA allows, plus a bunch of scrubs and really, really old guys beat the Heat in 6 games.

Half of the players in Dallas' rotation that won the championship, could not even make it into CSKA's rotation.

raptor21_85 · Post #1136 » by **raptor21_85** » Fri May 4, 2012 12:29 am

so, just imagine that Jonas gets the starting position and plays +25MPG.. what should be his production (stats)???

Yeezus_ · Post #1137 » by **Yeezus_** » Fri May 4, 2012 12:33 am

Raptor_Claw wrote:
raptor21_85 wrote:its easy for me to figure out you're not a Raptors fan.. nice joke, btw.. cause Bargs and DeMar would kick the ish out of CSKA

Kirilenko and Khyrapa can guard both of them quite easily. So that certainly isn't true.

highness wrote:

Dallas beat Miami in 6. With old man Peja, Brian Cardinal, Mahinmi, Barea, old as hell Kidd, etc. in their rotation.

Just basically Dirk, Terry, Chandler (who was not that good in FIBA 2010), and a half zone that NBA allows, plus a bunch of scrubs and really, really old guys beat the Heat in 6 games.

Half of the players in Dallas's rotation that won the championship could not even make it into CSKA's rotation.

lol

highness · Post #1138 » by **highness** » Fri May 4, 2012 12:55 am

Warned

UcanUwill · Post #1139 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri May 4, 2012 1:35 am

raptor21_85 wrote:so, just imagine that Jonas gets the starting position and plays +25MPG.. what should be his production (stats)???

He also fouls out in 40 minutes... There are a lot of ifs about this guy. I think it is possible for him to get 10/8 in 25 mins, although I think its a long reach.
His stats almost identical to Davis' college stats, so expectations are reasonable tho.

raptor21_85 · Post #1140 » by **raptor21_85** » Fri May 4, 2012 4:45 am

yeah, expect some ppl in this board call him a bust if he doesnt produce what they think.. but okay, you say we should be "happy" with 10 and 8.. I just hope he evolutes and develops like Monroe...

one good thing about Jonas that cant be meassured in stats is his motor and motivation on the court.. hopefully, Bargs gets some of it haha

PS.. talent is not everything, but demeanor is also important.. Big V is a team player, a good locker room guy, and it seems like he shares his emotions with his teammates.. just talkin about players like Tyreke Evans who are a mess, and finally their teams want to trade them..