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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1121 » by sweetcity » Mon May 20, 2013 11:00 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:You can change the pick to whoever is on the board. Larkin, KCP (preferable), Goodwin, Franklin it would not matter. What would matter is that we get fair value for Derozan before he becomes a negative trade asset. Acquiring bad contracts like Gooden is more of an incentive for MIL to do the deal.

Contract wise Gooden would come off the books 2 years earlier than Derozan, and at a same time as Gay and Fields, allowing for a full rebuild if we want.

MEM did not think Rudy Gay was worth more than an over the hill SF with 2 years left on his contract so this trade seems like fair value to me.

Lowry/Wolters
Korver/KCP
Gay/Fields
Amir/Acy
Val/Landry

That is even better than the previous one I mentioned.


These are really really bad trade proposals your putting together dude
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1122 » by eitanr » Tue May 21, 2013 12:05 am

The real question is how do you fill two huge holes: backup PG, backup 5 with essentially no picks, maybe the MLE and only Terrence Ross as your best tradeable asset (which the team may look to deal)?
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1123 » by Saul Goodman » Tue May 21, 2013 1:14 am

eitanr wrote:The real question is how do you fill two huge holes: backup PG, backup 5 with essentially no picks, maybe the MLE and only Terrence Ross as your best tradeable asset (which the team may look to deal)?



Here we go.



To Philly:
Bargnani
Aaron Gray

To Toronto
Jason Richardson
Spencer Hawes


We eat **** pie by taking on JRich but get a very good all purpose big off the bench. then we proceed to sign Devin Harris (hell even Jarred Bayless) to the MLE



Val/Hawes
Amir/Acy
Gay/JRich/Fields
Derozan/Ross
Lowry/Bayless

Pretty deep bench.
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1124 » by eitanr » Tue May 21, 2013 1:44 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:
eitanr wrote:The real question is how do you fill two huge holes: backup PG, backup 5 with essentially no picks, maybe the MLE and only Terrence Ross as your best tradeable asset (which the team may look to deal)?



Here we go.



To Philly:
Bargnani
Aaron Gray

To Toronto
Jason Richardson
Spencer Hawes


We eat **** pie by taking on JRich but get a very good all purpose big off the bench. then we proceed to sign Devin Harris (hell even Jarred Bayless) to the MLE



Val/Hawes
Amir/Acy
Gay/JRich/Fields
Derozan/Ross
Lowry/Bayless

Pretty deep bench.


I would be fine with proceeding with those deals. My one worry is the sixers recent hiring of Sam hinkie, an advanced metrics guy. If they go all in with Bynum you would think they'd be open to such a deal.

I also saw on the trade board of a hump and brooks for same deal but we throw in Ross and we get back a future nets pick. I like that as well
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1125 » by Spacing » Tue May 21, 2013 6:18 pm

eitanr wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:
eitanr wrote:The real question is how do you fill two huge holes: backup PG, backup 5 with essentially no picks, maybe the MLE and only Terrence Ross as your best tradeable asset (which the team may look to deal)?



Here we go.



To Philly:
Bargnani
Aaron Gray

To Toronto
Jason Richardson
Spencer Hawes


We eat **** pie by taking on JRich but get a very good all purpose big off the bench. then we proceed to sign Devin Harris (hell even Jarred Bayless) to the MLE



Val/Hawes
Amir/Acy
Gay/JRich/Fields
Derozan/Ross
Lowry/Bayless

Pretty deep bench.


I would be fine with proceeding with those deals. My one worry is the sixers recent hiring of Sam hinkie, an advanced metrics guy. If they go all in with Bynum you would think they'd be open to such a deal.

I also saw on the trade board of a hump and brooks for same deal but we throw in Ross and we get back a future nets pick. I like that as well



You wanted the Nets pick before not now. With a 4th place finish in the East this season and the highly likely chance that they progress next season that pick is not worth a whole lot.
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1126 » by Saul Goodman » Tue May 21, 2013 8:28 pm

What about this


Andrea Bargnani
Linas Kleiza
Terrance Ross
John Lucas


for

Amare Stoudamire
Iman Shumpert



the knicks save alot of money here while gaining another SG prospect in Ross.
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1127 » by Marvin Martian » Tue May 21, 2013 8:31 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:
eitanr wrote:The real question is how do you fill two huge holes: backup PG, backup 5 with essentially no picks, maybe the MLE and only Terrence Ross as your best tradeable asset (which the team may look to deal)?



Here we go.



To Philly:
Bargnani
Aaron Gray

To Toronto
Jason Richardson
Spencer Hawes


We eat **** pie by taking on JRich but get a very good all purpose big off the bench. then we proceed to sign Devin Harris (hell even Jarred Bayless) to the MLE



Val/Hawes
Amir/Acy
Gay/JRich/Fields
Derozan/Ross
Lowry/Bayless

Pretty deep bench.


Good teams do not and should not break the bank on a bench. It will be the starting 5 that will determine how far this team goes.
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1128 » by Marvin Martian » Tue May 21, 2013 8:33 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:What about this


Andrea Bargnani
Linas Kleiza
Terrance Ross
John Lucas


for

Amare Stoudamire
Iman Shumpert



the knicks save alot of money here while gaining another SG prospect in Ross.


The problem here is that Shumpert is better than Ross and NYK doesn't give a damn about money.
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1129 » by kingcns187 » Tue May 21, 2013 8:41 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:Derozan to MIL for Gooden + 2013 pick.

draft Shane Larkin

T-Ross to LAC for the 25th pick

draft Ricky Ledo

Sign Korver and Carl Landry


Lowry/Larkin
Korver/Ledo
Gay/Fields
Amir/Acy
Val/Landry

We would still be capped out but with a better core of young players with upside.




If demar gets traded to the bucks it is for JJ reddick only. Reddick on this raptors team would be nice paired with Lowry and Gay
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1130 » by ThatClockWork » Tue May 21, 2013 8:42 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:
eitanr wrote:The real question is how do you fill two huge holes: backup PG, backup 5 with essentially no picks, maybe the MLE and only Terrence Ross as your best tradeable asset (which the team may look to deal)?



Here we go.



To Philly:
Bargnani
Aaron Gray

To Toronto
Jason Richardson
Spencer Hawes


We eat **** pie by taking on JRich but get a very good all purpose big off the bench. then we proceed to sign Devin Harris (hell even Jarred Bayless) to the MLE



Val/Hawes
Amir/Acy
Gay/JRich/Fields
Derozan/Ross
Lowry/Bayless

Pretty deep bench.


Good teams do not and should not break the bank on a bench. It will be the starting 5 that will determine how far this team goes.

There is no reason not to pull of a trade like this with philly, especially if they are going all in with bynum. I absolutely hate Devin Harris with a passion .. I would rather bring in Udrih than Bayless or Harris any day of the week. Same money.

Bottom line: do this trade. Smaller contracts are easier to deal at junctures in season if you need to address an area of concern, plus Richardson's shooting can eventually help you if he gets healthy.
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1131 » by ThatClockWork » Tue May 21, 2013 8:50 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:What about this


Andrea Bargnani
Linas Kleiza
Terrance Ross
John Lucas


for

Amare Stoudamire
Iman Shumpert



the knicks save alot of money here while gaining another SG prospect in Ross.


You would need to add a sweetener to that .. Amare has arguably the worst contract in the league. We are already in cap hell as a lottery team .. absolutely no reason to dig a deeper hole
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1132 » by eitanr » Tue May 21, 2013 8:51 pm

djgordon wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:

Here we go.



To Philly:
Bargnani
Aaron Gray

To Toronto
Jason Richardson
Spencer Hawes


We eat **** pie by taking on JRich but get a very good all purpose big off the bench. then we proceed to sign Devin Harris (hell even Jarred Bayless) to the MLE



Val/Hawes
Amir/Acy
Gay/JRich/Fields
Derozan/Ross
Lowry/Bayless

Pretty deep bench.


Good teams do not and should not break the bank on a bench. It will be the starting 5 that will determine how far this team goes.

There is no reason not to pull of a trade like this with philly, especially if they are going all in with bynum. I absolutely hate Devin Harris with a passion .. I would rather bring in Udrih than Bayless or Harris any day of the week. Same money.

Bottom line: do this trade. Smaller contracts are easier to deal at junctures in season if you need to address an area of concern, plus Richardson's shooting can eventually help you if he gets healthy.


I agree completely...I do think that backup PG is a gaping hole. Agree with you on Harris and Bayless as well, but the team needs an offensive creator off that pine. How about Will Bynum? Nice offensive rating for a PG...may be had on the somewhat cheap end.
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1133 » by Troubadour » Tue May 21, 2013 9:29 pm

Back-Up PG:

Free Agents
- Devin Harris
- Rodrigue Beaubois (RFA)
- Will Bynum
- Nate Robinson
- Toney Douglas (RFA)

Any of those players would make really strong back-ups and could possibly be had for the ~MLE. In the cases of Beaubois, Bynum, and Watson, it would take a very small portion of the MLE.

Trade
With the exception of a S&T, I don't think there are any strong back-up PGs that would be available for trade.

Back-Up Big:

Free Agents
- Jermaine O'Neal
- Ivan Johnson (RFA)
- Dejuan Blair (RFA)
- Jason Maxiell
- James Johnson (RFA)

Blair and Ivan Johnson, to me, are the best available back-up bigs that could be had for a relatively inexpensive contract. James Johnson is also a very tough player who could fill in as a small-ball 4 off the bench.

Random
- Wayne Ellington
- Gary Neal

Who Would Really Interest Me...

Tyreke Evans

The Kings will almost certainly match any offer Evans will get, which is good because the Raptors don't really have much money to play with as it is. To me, he's the most interesting talent available. He's a guy who can get to the rim and finish at will. He also has above-average handles and athleticism for a guy his size. With him on the roster, however, there may be too many ball-handlers and not enough people playing off the ball.

I see this working one of two ways: Tyreke Evans becomes a very talented 6th man or he becomes the starting PG. If we're trying to be conventional, having Evans as the sixth man would solve A LOT of problems without really creating too many. We need a back-up PG and our bench often lacks a consistent, efficient scorer. If he's trying to get to the rim, Evans can be both of those things. More importantly, he is able to create for others, something that cannot be said for Ross, Anderson, or Lucas III (the core of our bench right now).

Sixth Man Scenario:
Tyreke Evans to Toronto
Terrence Ross, (Kleiza/Fields), Future 1st to Sacramento

Starting PG Scenario:
Tyreke Evans to Toronto
Terrence Ross & Kyle Lowry to Sacramento

Under the current CBA, we would forfeit the MLE in either scenario. For this reason, it makes more sense to do the sixth man scenario; however, the outgoing package is a lot weaker than Ross/Lowry. You could also make the argument that the Kings may be looking to completely rebuild, so a prospect and a pick may be more worthwhile.

Sixth Man Scenario:
Lowry/Evans
DeRozan
Gay/Anderson/(Fields/Kleiza)
Johnson/Acy
Valanciunas

Starter Scenario:
Evans/Telfair
DeRozan/Anderson
Gay/Fields/Kleiza
Johnson/Acy
Valanciunas/Gray

In either case, the roster has a few holes (especially at the 4/5). The major holes, however, remain the same. We would still need a big and just more depth in general. This is the kind of move you make if you're looking to swing for the fences. Evans is a player who will not cost as much as a Jennings, Josh Smith, or even a Monta Ellis. You may as well capitalize on the fact that a player who averaged 20ppg in his rookie year is severely undervalued. This team does not have enough talent to win a championship. Adding Carl Landry does not change that. Adding Tyreke Evans, at least, builds in the right direction.

I'd be okay if the Raptors don't try to target any big talent this summer, but I think in the current league climate, you need to take risks. Trading for Tyreke Evans would be a huge risk, but I think it might pay off.
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1134 » by Morris_Shatford » Tue May 21, 2013 9:48 pm

Really small picture stuff;

But watching the Knicks this season I found Pablo Prigioni to be a nice vet presence (he is 36) for them off the bench at the one, he strikes me as a guy who will be fairly low cost this summer and could certainly fill a role behind Lowry.
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1135 » by ThatClockWork » Tue May 21, 2013 9:53 pm

eitanr wrote:
djgordon wrote:There is no reason not to pull of a trade like this with philly, especially if they are going all in with bynum. I absolutely hate Devin Harris with a passion .. I would rather bring in Udrih than Bayless or Harris any day of the week. Same money.

Bottom line: do this trade. Smaller contracts are easier to deal at junctures in season if you need to address an area of concern, plus Richardson's shooting can eventually help you if he gets healthy.


I agree completely...I do think that backup PG is a gaping hole. Agree with you on Harris and Bayless as well, but the team needs an offensive creator off that pine. How about Will Bynum? Nice offensive rating for a PG...may be had on the somewhat cheap end.


Bynum from what I've seen isn't the best distributor in the world. He, like Nate Robinson is undersized but very tough. Would prove problematic if we did make it into the postseason imo. You're right he should come cheap though. I would only take him if I knew that Lucas was on his way out, similar skillset. (I would not be upset if this happens)

Udrih may be 30? this year I think .. but he's definitely proved that he can battle when his number is called. Gritty player, and not as suspect as a defender as perceived by some. He would be the perfect backup to Kyle Lowry, also can fill in when required as a starter. (We would just have to make sure that everyone's roles are CLEAR on this roster whenever we hopefully acquire a coach who will demand that of his players so we can build on success). To me, there is no better choice than him at this stage. He would be perfect.

Another player that no one has mentioned is MIKE DUNLEAVY. He would instantly provide spacing (and yes even defense) for this squad. Getting him on the floor with Lowry and Rudy (and even Demar when they play small ball) will help quite a bit. Money becomes the issue, so what would it take to acquire him?

Morris_Shatford wrote:Really small picture stuff;

But watching the Knicks this season I found Pablo Prigioni to be a nice vet presence (he is 36) for them off the bench at the one, he strikes me as a guy who will be fairly low cost this summer and could certainly fill a role behind Lowry.

Reports suggest he could be heading back to Europe because of his wife. Plus, 36 .. we aren't in a position for a run yet .. I would have to pass
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1136 » by RaptorLakerJay » Tue May 21, 2013 10:45 pm

I would be very intrigued to get David West as the starting power forward and sliding Amir to the back up role. Not sure what trade scenarios would pop up, but what do y'all think?
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1137 » by Saul Goodman » Tue May 21, 2013 10:57 pm

To New York:
Andrea Bargnani
Paul Milsap

To Toronto:
Amare Stoudamire
Iman Shumpert

To Utah:
Linas Kleiza
Aaron Gray
Terrance Ross


We take on the disasterous contract of Amare to get back a great young 3D guy to start beside Gay and bring Derozan off the bench in the JR Smith role


The Knicks get an upgrade on Amare and Andrea off the bench

The Jazz get something in return for Milsap.
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Amare/Amir
Gay/Fields
Shump/Derozan
Lowry/FA

I would totally be happy with this team next season.
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Post#1138 » by TheGoodDoctor » Wed May 22, 2013 3:12 am

Do not want Amare.
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1139 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Wed May 22, 2013 3:34 am

Saul Goodman wrote:To New York:
Andrea Bargnani
Paul Milsap

To Toronto:
Amare Stoudamire
Iman Shumpert

To Utah:
Linas Kleiza
Aaron Gray
Terrance Ross


We take on the disasterous contract of Amare to get back a great young 3D guy to start beside Gay and bring Derozan off the bench in the JR Smith role


The Knicks get an upgrade on Amare and Andrea off the bench

The Jazz get something in return for Milsap.
Val
Amare/Amir
Gay/Fields
Shump/Derozan
Lowry/FA

I would totally be happy with this team next season.


NYK can't participate in a S&T. They're over the tax apron by 4 million.
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Re: Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread 

Post#1140 » by Rhettmatic » Wed May 22, 2013 3:49 am

Whether or not you agree with tearing it down, I'd love to see everyone's ideas for a rebuild.
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