2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[HumbleRen]

I'm surprised you guys want to trade for Sexton considering his selfish tendencies. I just can't see the raptors trading for a guy who doesn't pass.

Not saying I want him but the kid is only 22 averaging 24/4/4 on 48/37/81 splits.

Not even 2 years older than Suggs lol. I get teams not wanting to pay him but he’s a good talent.

[Rodrickle]

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So Indiana still wants a PG...

What about something around FVV + Boucher and stuff for Turner and Levert?

Then make an offer to Ball, draft Suggs.

Ball/Levert/OG/Siakam/Turner is a pretty solid youngish core. Plus we'll have the option to match Trent and trade him. Still have Flynn as well

Why would Indiana do that deal? Turner>Boucher and LaVert>FVV



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[Bruin]

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So Indiana still wants a PG...

What about something around FVV + Boucher and stuff for Turner and Levert?

Then make an offer to Ball, draft Suggs.

Ball/Levert/OG/Siakam/Turner is a pretty solid youngish core. Plus we'll have the option to match Trent and trade him. Still have Flynn as well

Why would Indiana do that deal? Turner>Boucher and LaVert>FVV



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Levert is not better than FVV

[Bruin]

What’s the best pick we could get for Boucher? Knicks at 21?

To get Thor or Trey Murphy

[Morris_Shatford]

What’s the best pick we could get for Boucher? Knicks at 21?

Edit;
Its reasonable, but I think its low.

A few weeks ago the Warriors fans were split on Boucher for Ballast & 14;
I think he is a pretty solid player on a really good contract and you get his full bird rights

I would take 19 or 21 but I think they could do better.

[NotMyKawhi]

What’s the best pick we could get for Boucher? Knicks at 21?

That seems reasonable;
Maybe higher if we need to take back matching ballast

pelcans want to trade the 10th pick for a vet.

Maybe boucher and our 2nds for 10

[Nolan2]

To Raps: 3rd Pick (Mobley), Love
To Warriors: Siakam, Osman
To Cavs: 7th pick, 14th pick, 2022 top 5 protected (raps), Wiggins, Wiseman

Draft Suggs with 4th

[Bruin]

To Raps: 3rd Pick (Mobley), Love
To Warriors: Siakam, Osman
To Cavs: 7th pick, 14th pick, 2022 top 5 protected (raps), Wiggins, Wiseman

Draft Suggs with 4th

Taking on Loves contract, a FRP that would potentially be lotto after giving up our best player for a rookie, and Siakam just for the 3rd pick?

[Nolan2]

To Raps: 3rd Pick (Mobley), Love
To Warriors: Siakam, Osman
To Cavs: 7th pick, 14th pick, 2022 top 5 protected (raps), Wiggins, Wiseman

Draft Suggs with 4th

Taking on Loves contract, a FRP that would potentially be lotto after giving up our best player for a rookie, and Siakam just for the 3rd pick?

Just the thought of getting both Suggs and Mobley, to me, is exciting, but you’re right, it is prob an overpayment

[Bruin]

To Raps: 3rd Pick (Mobley), Love
To Warriors: Siakam, Osman
To Cavs: 7th pick, 14th pick, 2022 top 5 protected (raps), Wiggins, Wiseman

Draft Suggs with 4th

Taking on Loves contract, a FRP that would potentially be lotto after giving up our best player for a rookie, and Siakam just for the 3rd pick?

Just the thought of getting both Suggs and Mobley, to me, is exciting, but you’re right, it is prob an overpayment

I love the idea of getting both too. I think the 2022 pick is unnecessary

Cavs getting 7th, 14th, Wiseman and getting off of Loves contract seems solid enough to me. Plus Wiggins

[Rapsfan07]

So Indiana still wants a PG...

What about something around FVV + Boucher and stuff for Turner and Levert?

Then make an offer to Ball, draft Suggs.

Ball/Levert/OG/Siakam/Turner is a pretty solid youngish core. Plus we'll have the option to match Trent and trade him. Still have Flynn as well

Why would Indiana do that deal? Turner>Boucher and LaVert>FVV



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Levert is not better than FVV

I don't think LeVert is better than FVV at all.

But Turner is better than Boucher, obviously.

[Spida888]

Taking on Loves contract, a FRP that would potentially be lotto after giving up our best player for a rookie, and Siakam just for the 3rd pick?

Just the thought of getting both Suggs and Mobley, to me, is exciting, but you’re right, it is prob an overpayment

I love the idea of getting both too. I think the 2022 pick is unnecessary

Cavs getting 7th, 14th, Wiseman and getting off of Loves contract seems solid enough to me. Plus Wiggins

Interesting 3 team trade idea.

I agree it's risky that our pick next year will likely be a lotto pick if we trade away Pascal and got 2 new rookies that likely starts.

If the Cavs do it without the future FRP then that works. Otherwise, I would try to sweeten the pot with one of the following:
- Both of the SRPs this year.
- Or trade Boucher to another team along with the SRPs if needed to acquire a mid to late first
- Or top 15 protected 2022 FRP, more protection because we will likely be bad for a while in this case

[Bruin]

Just the thought of getting both Suggs and Mobley, to me, is exciting, but you’re right, it is prob an overpayment

I love the idea of getting both too. I think the 2022 pick is unnecessary

Cavs getting 7th, 14th, Wiseman and getting off of Loves contract seems solid enough to me. Plus Wiggins

Interesting 3 team trade idea.

I agree it's risky that our pick next year will likely be a lotto pick if we trade away Pascal and got 2 new rookies that likely starts.

If the Cavs do it without the future FRP then that works. Otherwise, I would try to sweeten the pot with one of the following:
- Both of the SRPs this year.
- Or trade Boucher to another team along with the SRPs if needed to acquire a mid to late first
- Or top 15 protected 2022 FRP, more protection because we will likely be bad for a while in this case

If it’s Boucher or the SRPs then I’d be fine with it. As long as we don’t give up any FRPs in a deal

For me anything is on the table for trades other than the 4th pick and future FRPs and OG

[Syd-TK3]

I said before but if siakam wasn't gonna be injured to start the season I really would have expected a Boucher trade on draft night. Still the most likely player on the team just more questionable now

[RapsFanInOhio]

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A deal centered around Sexton and Barrett feels like something that would get done and you’re just looking at it like, why?

NY doesn’t like Barrett, though.

[ItsDanger]

Simmons is 90% likely traded now. Where is our management in the talks? I could see him going to Warriors. However, would we be interested in S&T to Philly to take on Wiggins plus a mid to late 1st?

Simmons for Wiseman, Wiggins, 7th, 14th another future 1st. Don't think Philly wants that. But this could work in a 3 or 4 team trade where Sixers get another young player + Lowry. Despite all the media BS, Simmons value is dropping and Morey would be smart to trade him NOW.

[Raptors_128]

Simmons is officially on the market as per Shams and they want an all-star caliber player back.

Curious to see which all-star caliber player is even available.

Beal - seems committed to the Wizards and the Wizards are building around him.
LaVine - seems committed to the Bulls and they just acquired an all-star big man to pair with him.
Lillard - not available and stated that he does not want out of Portland.
Lowry - has to be a sign-and trade and is 35.
CP3 - has to be a sign-and-trade, willing to leave a team that went to the finals, and is 36.

That leaves us with lower level guys like Grant, Sabonis, Randle, McCollum, Sexton, Brogdon?, VanVleet?, and Porzingis?

I’m still calling Simmons for Sexton +

[Spida888]

It would be funny if PHI not trading for Kyle at the deadline only to trade them now for Simmons. Seems unlikely due to Kyle's age, and PHI wanting to save face, but I'll entertain it.

Lowry S&T + Future Protected FRP + Boucher/SRPs/Flynn.

If we draft Suggs, we'll start Fred, Suggs, OG, Siakam, and Simmons. If we don't want to keep both Simmons and Siakam long term, we can flip one of them later when their value increases.

[Morris_Shatford]

I said before but if siakam wasn't gonna be injured to start the season I really would have expected a Boucher trade on draft night. Still the most likely player on the team just more questionable now

If Boucher isn't in the Raps long term future I think he may still get moved on draft night if there is someone there that the Raps want.

Filling in Siakams spot for a few games isn't going to be too challenging, we need some shooting and size in free agency regardless so bringing in a guy like Mo Wagner or some other big guy who can shoot makes Boucher less indispensable if a deal presents itself at the draft.

[RapsFanInOhio]

I said before but if siakam wasn't gonna be injured to start the season I really would have expected a Boucher trade on draft night. Still the most likely player on the team just more questionable now

If Boucher isn't in the Raps long term future I think he may still get moved on draft night if there is someone there that the Raps want.

Filling in Siakams spot for a few games isn't going to be too challenging, we need some shooting and size in free agency regardless so bringing in a guy like Mo Wagner or some other big guy who can shoot makes Boucher less indispensable if a deal presents itself at the draft.

I can’t figure out the Boucher situation at all. He’s on a reasonable deal and (I think) would likely sign a team-friendly deal to stay next summer. I get that we wouldn’t want to invest big money into him for tax and cap reasons, but I also don’t know what his market will be. He seems like he’s pretty close to his ceiling, so it’s hard to see a team paying him to be a starter. He’s also not a center, so someone would pay him to be a starting 4 and that position is a lot easier to fill salary wise than the others. At the same time, his role likely won’t increase a lot this year with us, so some team would be paying him based on the bench role he has with us and not starters minutes. I can’t see him asking for a trade (it just doesn’t seem like his personality) but that might be the best situation for him if he could be moved to a team that would give him a bigger role - but is that really even out there? If we move him, a team that would give up a first is likely one that’s at a similar level to us and therefore his role likely wouldn’t even increase in that scenario.

From our standpoint, if you move Boucher, you’ve got to replace those minutes. Which, that’s doable, but you’re probably taking an on-court hit. I could see them wanting to take on a controlled younger player as opposed to paying Boucher a bigger deal next summer - but also, if you’re moving Boucher you’re likely getting worse this coming season. If you want to compete this year, Boucher absolutely helps that cause and you’re probably not getting a rookie who can bring that kind of immediate impact with a mid-to-late first round pick, which is realistically what he and his contract are worth.

Maybe one of the more interesting decisions for us this summer. I think the most likely outcome is that he is brought back. You can give him a 3 year deal next summer at age 29, maximize on his prime years, and then he can get another deal after that one. If Siakam is moved, I think we can sign him to a value deal that would be worth having around even in a rebuild scenario.