2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[vulture]

THT is shooting 24% from 3 and and Nunn has not played this year so it doesn't not get them GTJ. Expecting AD in return is a little crazy tho lol...
Bledsoe is ok, but he can't shoot either. The team needs some spacing and I'm not sure who's available that can provide that.

[Morris_Shatford]

The team needs some spacing and I'm not sure who's available that can provide that.

Its a little complicated;
The play-in really screws up everything as you have all but six teams either in the playoffs/play in or within two games of it.

We need a team that:

A) Wants cap space this summer
B) Wants to open some space between them and the tax threshold next season
C) Needs large expirings to facilitate a trade with another team with us as the third.

Then the team that fits that criteria needs to have someone who fits our needs.
Its limited out there.

[mdenny]

Los Angeles has seven second-round picks at its disposal as well. There's a potential path for the Clippers to move Eric Bledsoe to Toronto for Goran Dragic, for example, which would allow Los Angeles to hold Dragic's bird rights entering this summer. That's the type of transaction that a gap-year mentality can afford a front office.

From Jake Fischer's article about the Clippers being sellers today : https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952391-paul-george-injury-could-dictate-la-clippers-direction-at-trade-deadline

I think that moving Dragic for Bledsoe and a 2nd would give us enough tax room to sign Wilson or whoever. I'd like it to be this year's 2nd but I'm not sure how the value works out when the Clippers would be adding to this year's tax bill but removing Bled's approx. 4 million from next year.

I love it! The clippers are considering a stealth tank while not even owning their own pick!

Yum yum yum.

[youreachiteach]

Love to get Ibaka back too (but I doubt adding Boucher would do it).

[vulture]

The team needs some spacing and I'm not sure who's available that can provide that.

Its a little complicated;
The play-in really screws up everything as you have all but six teams either in the playoffs/play in or within two games of it.

We need a team that:

A) Wants cap space this summer
B) Wants to open some space between them and the tax threshold next season
C) Needs large expirings to facilitate a trade with another team with us as the third.

Then the team that fits that criteria needs to have someone who fits our needs.
Its limited out there.

It's slim picking out there. We would have to give up our pick to get someone worthwhile, but I just don't see Masai doing that.

[MikeM]

Los Angeles has seven second-round picks at its disposal as well. There's a potential path for the Clippers to move Eric Bledsoe to Toronto for Goran Dragic, for example, which would allow Los Angeles to hold Dragic's bird rights entering this summer. That's the type of transaction that a gap-year mentality can afford a front office.

From Jake Fischer's article about the Clippers being sellers today : https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952391-paul-george-injury-could-dictate-la-clippers-direction-at-trade-deadline

I think that moving Dragic for Bledsoe and a 2nd would give us enough tax room to sign Wilson or whoever. I'd like it to be this year's 2nd but I'm not sure how the value works out when the Clippers would be adding to this year's tax bill but removing Bled's approx. 4 million from next year.

**** the clippers

[Ell Curry]

Los Angeles has seven second-round picks at its disposal as well. There's a potential path for the Clippers to move Eric Bledsoe to Toronto for Goran Dragic, for example, which would allow Los Angeles to hold Dragic's bird rights entering this summer. That's the type of transaction that a gap-year mentality can afford a front office.

From Jake Fischer's article about the Clippers being sellers today : https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952391-paul-george-injury-could-dictate-la-clippers-direction-at-trade-deadline

I think that moving Dragic for Bledsoe and a 2nd would give us enough tax room to sign Wilson or whoever. I'd like it to be this year's 2nd but I'm not sure how the value works out when the Clippers would be adding to this year's tax bill but removing Bled's approx. 4 million from next year.

I love it! The clippers are considering a stealth tank while not even owning their own pick!

Yum yum yum.

I want Hartenstein or Muscala. https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

Raptors: Hartenstein + Bledsoe
Clippers: Dragic, Bazley, Gabriel Deck
Thunder: Flynn, Ibaka, Detroit 2025 2nd rounder from Clippers, Raptor 2nd rounder

saves the Clipper 3.9M next year when they cut Bledsoe rather than pay him 18M and they get bird rights on Dragic. We can cut him and shouldn't put us in tax next year or keep him for trading purposes and he might actually do okay here in that he fits our defense as a physical guard who can rotate and switch.

Most importantly they get Ibaka off the tax and save a ton of money.

Thunder have 23M in space, and give up 9M or so of it of it to get Flynn and what should be a decent 2nd rounder from the Clippers and meh one from us.

Not sure we can steal Muscala, but maybe straight up for Flynn if they like him. Could also be something like #30, #34 and Muscala from OKC for Khem Birch and our 1st rounder (lotto protected) which might suit everyone since the Thunder need to be packaging their picks to move up, we save 3M this year and get under the tax and get a shooter at the 5 (we arguably lost to Phoenix because Birch is such a non-threat, they ignored him end of the game hard) AND Masai might be fine with having 2 picks a bit later in this mess of a draft anyways than one around #20 where he might see us landing.

[mdenny]

From Jake Fischer's article about the Clippers being sellers today : https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952391-paul-george-injury-could-dictate-la-clippers-direction-at-trade-deadline

I think that moving Dragic for Bledsoe and a 2nd would give us enough tax room to sign Wilson or whoever. I'd like it to be this year's 2nd but I'm not sure how the value works out when the Clippers would be adding to this year's tax bill but removing Bled's approx. 4 million from next year.

I love it! The clippers are considering a stealth tank while not even owning their own pick!

Yum yum yum.

I want Hartenstein or Muscala. https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

Raptors: Hartenstein + Bledsoe
Clippers: Dragic, Bazley, Gabriel Deck
Thunder: Flynn, Ibaka, Detroit 2025 2nd rounder from Clippers, Raptor 2nd rounder

saves the Clipper 3.9M next year when they cut Bledsoe rather than pay him 18M and they get bird rights on Dragic. We can cut him and shouldn't put us in tax next year or keep him for trading purposes and he might actually do okay here in that he fits our defense as a physical guard who can rotate and switch.

Most importantly they get Ibaka off the tax and save a ton of money.

Thunder have 23M in space, and give up 9M or so of it of it to get Flynn and what should be a decent 2nd rounder from the Clippers and meh one from us.

Not sure we can steal Muscala, but maybe straight up for Flynn if they like him. Could also be something like #30, #34 and Muscala from OKC for Khem Birch and our 1st rounder (lotto protected) which might suit everyone since the Thunder need to be packaging their picks to move up, we save 3M this year and get under the tax and get a shooter at the 5 (we arguably lost to Phoenix because Birch is such a non-threat, they ignored him end of the game hard) AND Masai might be fine with having 2 picks a bit later in this mess of a draft anyways than one around #20 where he might see us landing.

Problem is....wouldnt that keep us in the repeater tax? I dont know much about that stuff....but i think the raps are looking to reset their repeater tax this year.

[mtcan]

From Jake Fischer's article about the Clippers being sellers today : https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952391-paul-george-injury-could-dictate-la-clippers-direction-at-trade-deadline

I think that moving Dragic for Bledsoe and a 2nd would give us enough tax room to sign Wilson or whoever. I'd like it to be this year's 2nd but I'm not sure how the value works out when the Clippers would be adding to this year's tax bill but removing Bled's approx. 4 million from next year.

I love it! The clippers are considering a stealth tank while not even owning their own pick!

Yum yum yum.

I want Hartenstein or Muscala. https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

Raptors: Hartenstein + Bledsoe
Clippers: Dragic, Bazley, Gabriel Deck
Thunder: Flynn, Ibaka, Detroit 2025 2nd rounder from Clippers, Raptor 2nd rounder

saves the Clipper 3.9M next year when they cut Bledsoe rather than pay him 18M and they get bird rights on Dragic. We can cut him and shouldn't put us in tax next year or keep him for trading purposes and he might actually do okay here in that he fits our defense as a physical guard who can rotate and switch.

Most importantly they get Ibaka off the tax and save a ton of money.

Thunder have 23M in space, and give up 9M or so of it of it to get Flynn and what should be a decent 2nd rounder from the Clippers and meh one from us.

Not sure we can steal Muscala, but maybe straight up for Flynn if they like him. Could also be something like #30, #34 and Muscala from OKC for Khem Birch and our 1st rounder (lotto protected) which might suit everyone since the Thunder need to be packaging their picks to move up, we save 3M this year and get under the tax and get a shooter at the 5 (we arguably lost to Phoenix because Birch is such a non-threat, they ignored him end of the game hard) AND Masai might be fine with having 2 picks a bit later in this mess of a draft anyways than one around #20 where he might see us landing.

Giving up Flynn, a second round pick and Dragic for a journey man big man (23 years old and on his 4th team) and Bledsoe's corpse?

If you want Hartenstein...wait til the Clips cut him later on this season or in the summer.

If the Raptors are playoff bound...I would trade Malachi and filler and bring Serge home.

[Ell Curry]

Problem is....wouldnt that keep us in the repeater tax? I dont know much about that stuff....but i think the raps are looking to reset their repeater tax this year.

I think we'd be just short by dealing Dragic, but yeah including Bonga with Flynn for Muscala would probably be necessary for us and they can just cut Bonga.

[Ell Curry]

Giving up Flynn, a second round pick and Dragic for a journey man big man (23 years old and on his 4th team) and Bledsoe's corpse?

If you want Hartenstein...wait til the Clips cut him later on this season or in the summer.

If the Raptors are playoff bound...I would trade Malachi and filler and bring Serge home.

Hartenstein is way better than Ibaka at this point.

[Ell Curry]

We haven't been mentioned as a Derrick White suitor, but he's the same age as Van Vleet and Siakam and this season aside, he's shot well. The sort of big combo guard who can play the 10-14 minutes a night Van Vleet sits AND play 15-18 minutes next to him at the 2 when Trent sits.

Don't love the idea of giving up a first for him, but they have the #32 pick from Detroit so maybe something like Dragic + our lotto protected first for White + #32 is plausible. The Spurs have their guard minutes covered basically with Murray, Primo and Vassell (he's a big 2 not a small 3 with his lack of rebounding and good 3pt shooting), but they could use the pick to get a frontcourt player, where they really only have Kelden Johnson and Poeltl and could use a 2nd first to get another forward in addition to the one they get with their own pick.

[VanWest82]

He doesn't fit the timeline at all but Eric Gordon has been balling out lately. Bet Houston would take Dragic and a 1st to get off his salary. He's under contract for two more years which could be a problem but the number isn't awful @ 19M AAV.

[aminiaturebuddha]

I looked back through a few pages and didn't see anyone suggesting anything like this, so I apologize if someone has already suggested it, but what about using Dragic to try to get Eric Gordon from Houston? He'd be a perfect player to shore up the backcourt of our bench.

Their salaries are very similar, except that Gordon has another year (and an additional team option after that). So Houston could take on Dragic (and maybe Flynn and a 2nd if they wanted), and then buy him out and he could sign with a contender. Then Houston would have cap space and flexibility, and take about $19 million off their books for next year when they're clearly not going to compete anyway. Meanwhile the Raps get a good shooter, passable defender, and decent facilitator to help the bench in those minutes when Fred sits for this year and next.

[aminiaturebuddha]

He doesn't fit the timeline at all but Eric Gordon has been balling out lately. Bet Houston would take Dragic and a 1st to get off his salary. He's also under contract for two more years.

Haha great minds think alike! I just posted the same idea right below yours.

If we could do it without adding a first (and really, Eric Gordon shouldn't net a first if Lowry couldn't last year), I would do this in a heartbeat.

[VanWest82]

He doesn't fit the timeline at all but Eric Gordon has been balling out lately. Bet Houston would take Dragic and a 1st to get off his salary. He's also under contract for two more years.

Haha great minds think alike! I just posted the same idea right below yours.

If we could do it without adding a first (and really, Eric Gordon shouldn't net a first if Lowry couldn't last year), I would do this in a heartbeat.

He's playing so well right now he could swing a playoff series. He might be too high quality of a player to go for two 2nds. I agree a FRP is steep for us given our drafting history.

[mtcan]

Giving up Flynn, a second round pick and Dragic for a journey man big man (23 years old and on his 4th team) and Bledsoe's corpse?

If you want Hartenstein...wait til the Clips cut him later on this season or in the summer.

If the Raptors are playoff bound...I would trade Malachi and filler and bring Serge home.

Hartenstein is way better than Ibaka at this point.

I just to want Serge back in Toronto so that he can have Gary Trent on his YouTube fashion show. Gary will put Serge on to designer ponchos.

[Morris_Shatford]

Their salaries are very similar, except that Gordon has another year (and an additional team option after that). So Houston could take on Dragic (and maybe Flynn and a 2nd if they wanted), and then buy him out and he could sign with a contender. Then Houston would have cap space and flexibility, and take about $19 million off their books for next year when they're clearly not going to compete anyway. Meanwhile the Raps get a good shooter, passable defender, and decent facilitator to help the bench in those minutes when Fred sits for this year and next.

It poses a bit of a cap challenge;
For the moment lets play with the Dragic and Gordan salary numbers because any ballast would likely be negligible (2m-ish)

Dragic + Anyone for Gordan opens up a bit more daylight between us and the tax threshold.
Therefore if we wanted to keep DJ Wilson it provides us a path toward that.

Where it becomes complex is July 1st;
Assuming we allow Boucher and all other FAs to expire w/ Gordan we are at 125m in committed salary for next season;
If you opt to keep Yuta or Boucher you are now likely over or near the 136m luxury tax line.

This is before you sign your FRP, Lets assume we are drafting between 10 and 20 you have somewhere between 2.2 and 3.6m for that.
Then any use of your exemptions puts you well into the tax.

Gordan certainly helps us today;
But that contract becomes complication to manage if we want to do anything in the offseason.

[WaltFrazier]

Love to get Ibaka back too (but I doubt adding Boucher would do it).

If Clips are giving up on the season, they don't want Serge beyond this year. Why not take Boucher, give him a look and if they like him have the inside track on keeping him. And if not move on and retool.

[tecumseh18]

Their salaries are very similar, except that Gordon has another year (and an additional team option after that). So Houston could take on Dragic (and maybe Flynn and a 2nd if they wanted), and then buy him out and he could sign with a contender. Then Houston would have cap space and flexibility, and take about $19 million off their books for next year when they're clearly not going to compete anyway. Meanwhile the Raps get a good shooter, passable defender, and decent facilitator to help the bench in those minutes when Fred sits for this year and next.

It poses a bit of a cap challenge;
For the moment lets play with the Dragic and Gordan salary numbers because any ballast would likely be negligible (2m-ish)

Dragic + Anyone for Gordan opens up a bit more daylight between us and the tax threshold.
Therefore if we wanted to keep DJ Wilson it provides us a path toward that.

Where it becomes complex is July 1st;
Assuming we allow Boucher and all other FAs to expire w/ Gordan we are at 125m in committed salary for next season;
If you opt to keep Yuta or Boucher you are now likely over or near the 136m luxury tax line.

This is before you sign your FRP, Lets assume we are drafting between 10 and 20 you have somewhere between 2.2 and 3.6m for that.
Then any use of your exemptions puts you well into the tax.

Gordan certainly helps us today;
But that contract becomes complication to manage if we want to do anything in the offseason.

I'm an eternal optimist. I think this is a really good (but shallow) team now. We definitely won't go into the tax this season, because we want to cleanse ourselves of 2018-2019 tax hangover and finishing resetting the repeater tax. But next season (2022-23), Raps are going into the tax for sure. This is our window before Fred gets the max he's pushing for, and Pascal expires.

So bring in Gordon/Hield. If Boucher is worth resigning, we'll bring him back. Along with spending the full non-taxpayer MLE (last chance for a while) on Jalen Smith ( ) and signing our FRP. Balls to the wall.