Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 10

[BillyGM]

One more thing; Raptors need to tank harder

I agree. We should get MKG or Harrison Barnes, cause we still have Demar. We can target backup SG for Demar in the 2nd round. Plenty of options: DJ Odom, Doron Lamb, William Buford, Marcus Denmon, John Jenkins(elite 3PT shooter) even Orlando Johnson. Then when it comes to point guards the most underrated is Tyshawn Taylor and he may drop to 2nd round. Not to mention that there 2nd round PG's like Scott Machado, Trey Burke(only 19 years old).

[Indeed]

If you draft Beal, Derozan might not work at the 3 spot. And if you want to trade Derozan, there is always a great possibility that a guy we are getting in return will pull off Steve Francis/Bosh type of act and will not want to play in Canada very much. Well, I hope everything works out one way or another.

We probably won't decide until we reviewed all the options.
We might end up taking someone else (another underrated Euro? j/k). But if we are really really trading DeRozan, we probably want something more to come back.

For example, we may want to trade DeRozan + our 7th (or 8th) to Cleveland for their 4th and 26th.

We get to pick any shooting wing, and perhaps another PG at 26th (Marquis Teague, CJ McCollum, Tony Wroten).

While Cleveland gets a more promising SG (DeRozan is a better prospect than Beal and Barnes in scoring/getting to foul line, which Cleveland lacks), and draft a SF/PF/C at 7th (or 8th) (Harrison Barnes, Arnett Moultrie, Tyler Zeller, Meyers Leonard, John Henson, Jared Sullinger, Moe Harkless).

This is an option, not necessary we trade DeRozan to achieve this, but we still end up in a win-win situation.

[nelabai]

MKG* + Wall = worst shooting franchise player duo in the NBA

Not sure if true. But I also think that after McGee gone they would consider taking Drummond.

# 7 - New Jersey - Brad Beal (BPA)

I think many Raptors fans would be happy to take Beal at 6 according to them he's the BPA at 6 I might agree.

Hell Beal is probably the BPA at 3

That could happen too, 2-7 picks are really hard to predict, it could go either way.

[tmac101]

I don't get the hype around Jeremy Lamb when it's clear that Demar is the better SG of the two

[Indeed]

My predicted draft.

#1 - Charlotte - Anthony Davis ( lock #1)
#2 - Washington - Drummond ( need a franchise big, MKG + Wall = worst shooting franchise player duo in the NBA)
#3 - New Orleans - Thomas Robinson ( They have zero talent, so it's better to start with franchise big, who could be their #1 offensive option, MKG has shaky offensive game)
#4 - Cleveland - Harrison Barnes (will work superb with Irving + size on the court)
#5 - Sacramento - MKG (Team has great young offensive talent, MKG would be a wonderful piece to cement that young core)
#6 - Toronto - Jeremy Lamb (Need wing, with MGK and Barnes gone, Lamb seems to be the choice, with his freakish length and scoring ability would help the Raps)
# 7 - New Jersey - Brad Beal (BPA)

Not hating on MKG, but it's my opinion.

Good post and mock. Torn between Beal and Lamb; can Lamb play SF with his long arms (or can Derozan play SF)? Beal is currently a higher rated prospect than Lamb but we will see once the workouts happen.

One more thing; Raptors need to tank harder

Its our dream that Cleveland takes Barnes over Beal, not necessary happen in real life. Most mock drafts have Cleveland taking Beal, and we take Barnes. I have no problem with either, but things might not go our way.

By the way, his mock draft is wrong. New Jersey doesn't have the pick. If he reads other post around, he will realize people have Portland, while most likely Portland and Sacramento will not pick a guard.

[BillyGM]

For example, we may want to trade DeRozan + our 7th (or 8th) to Cleveland for their 4th and 26th.

And that's what we really don't want to do. I'm not risking DeRozan.

[CunningLinguist]

Can Perry Jones III be a small forward(as his primary position) in the NBA?

Yes. Offensively he is already a 3, and he is long enough to be an adequate perimeter defender.

It takes more than length to be a perimeter defender. You need to be able to stay in front of quicker players.

[BillyGM]

Can Perry Jones III be a small forward(as his primary position) in the NBA?

Yes. Offensively he is already a 3, and he is long enough to be an adequate perimeter defender.

It takes more than length to be a perimeter defender. You need to be able to stay in front of quicker players.

If he could play 3 spot in the NBA for 100% he could even be 2nd pick. As scouts said that he might be the most talented player in the draft but if he cannot play the 3 he isn't one of the rare breed players like Durant.

[tmac101]

When your in a rebuild you don't trade away one of your more important pieces of the rebuild whose still young when the other options are equal or lesser to that talent. That is also a form of tredmill. Other then Barnes and possisbly Beal there are no other wing players comparable to potential that demar has and I'm sure GMs around the league understand this which is why these fantasys of trading Demar won't happen or resolve the future success of the team

[bboyskinnylegs]

When your in a rebuild you don't trade away one of your more important pieces of the rebuild whose still young when the other options are equal or lesser to that talent. That is also a form of tredmill. Other then Barnes and possisbly Beal there are no other wing players comparable to potential that demar has and I'm sure GMs around the league understand this which is why these fantasys of demar won't happen or resolve the future success of the team

Lamb and MKG both have equal or better potential than DeMar as wing players.

[Undefeated]

I'm sorry, but Perry Jones III won't play the 3 in the NBA. His body movement is no where near as swift, smooth or crafty like Kevin Durant. Durant can hit those herky jerky 18-foot jumper creating off the dribble with ease where as PJ3 needs someone to set up him at the elbow/wing. He's good creating 5-feet and in with his back behind the basket, but anything outside of that area, he'll need someone to create for him. And his first step, lateral quickness and ball-handling isn't good enough for the 3. PJ3 is a face-up 4 with the occasional post-up. No questions asked.

[SFour]

From the looks of it, Raptors will finish in 5th-7th place. If they keep losing and the other tankers start winning (Cleveland and Sacramento), then they can be at the 4th or 5th spot.

[tmac101]

When your in a rebuild you don't trade away one of your more important pieces of the rebuild whose still young when the other options are equal or lesser to that talent. That is also a form of tredmill. Other then Barnes and possisbly Beal there are no other wing players comparable to potential that demar has and I'm sure GMs around the league understand this which is why these fantasys of demar won't happen or resolve the future success of the team

Lamb and MKG both have equal or better potential than DeMar as wing players.

I was more specifically referring to who will be available to us so I don't see mkg being there... and as for Lamb I think he's just being overhyped at this point and the skill set that he has isn't as valuable when you compare Demars ability to get to the basket and the freerhrow line and his improving ability to take on smaller guards in the post one on one

[CunningLinguist]

I'm sorry, but Perry Jones III won't play the 3 in the NBA. His body movement is no where near as swift, smooth or crafty like Kevin Durant. Durant can hit those herky jerky 18-foot jumper creating off the dribble with ease where as PJ3 needs someone to set up him at the elbow/wing. He's good creating 5-feet and in with his back behind the basket, but anything outside of that area, he'll need someone to create for him. And his first step, lateral quickness and ball-handling isn't good enough for the 3. PJ3 is a face-up 4 with the occasional post-up. No questions asked.

Totally agree. I don't think anybody would be projecting him as a 3 if we weren't in need of one. I do think he has the potential to be a better passing Bosh at the 4 spot. It's just a question of how bad he wants it. My real issue with PJ3 is on the defensive side of the ball. He shows absolutely no instincts or effort on D.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I'm sorry, but Perry Jones III won't play the 3 in the NBA. His body movement is no where near as swift, smooth or crafty like Kevin Durant. Durant can hit those herky jerky 18-foot jumper creating off the dribble with ease where as PJ3 needs someone to set up him at the elbow/wing. He's good creating 5-feet and in with his back behind the basket, but anything outside of that area, he'll need someone to create for him. And his first step, lateral quickness and ball-handling isn't good enough for the 3. PJ3 is a face-up 4 with the occasional post-up. No questions asked.

People really don't understand how good Kevin Durant's handle is, or how quick he is. Perry Jones playing the 3 in the NBA is like Derrick Williams trying it; it's not happening.

[OAKLEY_2]

Perry Jones playing the 3 in the NBA is like Derrick Williams trying it; it's not happening.

I'd roll the dice on Williams at the 3 any day whereas as PJIII is a complete unknown. We are fielding 2 hybrid 3-4's in JJ and Kleiza right now. What is one more who incidentally is skilled at creating his own shot...

[Dr Positivity]

PJIII is no more a 3 than Chris Bosh was

[BillyGM]

PJIII is no more a 3 than Chris Bosh was

I agree.

[Rapsfan07]

Yeah we've beaten this to death..Perry Jones IIII is not a 3. He's a face up 4. He's going to be either a very good player or a very bad one. His bust potential is through the roof....higher than Drummond's actually. Then again, if he gets an aggressive mindset and is willing to work hard, he could be Chris Bosh -lite. It'll all depend on him and how hard he wants to work at it.

Beal is the second best player in the draft. No questions asked IMO. He's got more transferable skills than anyone than anyone not named Anthony Davis. He also has the second most star potential. If he measures out to be 6'4, he's a lock for #2. Book it.

I think MKG will slip. My feelings is everyone in the draft will do much better in workouts than they did in the tourney. I think Barnes will re-enter the Top 5 discussions after workout and Drummond, Sullinger and Lamb could all see a rise in their stock as well. Maybe even Lillard as too.

I could also see Robinson slipping. He's an athlete and he's strong...also a good rebounder but I'm worried about how his offense will translate at the next level. I think he'll need to add a good jumper to his game. The combine should be pretty telling for him.

As for us, I think we'll go 4th but I'm preparing myself to go as late a 7. Anything later is preventable through tanking and we should do what we need to do to ensure that we get the best pick possible. The guys I love (Davis & Beal) should be off the board by 4 so the guys I'd be looking at are Drummond (if he's still there), Barnes (if he's still there) and Lamb (should still be there). I'd also be looking at moving Ed Davis for a SF later in the draft (Quincy Miller or Moe Harkless) and either package the two second rounders for a late first and take Wroten or Fournier or take Lamb and maybe Burke out of the second round.

Does anyone know if Van Oostrum is declaring this year?

[Dr Positivity]

My guess is Beal gets 2nd at the end of the day over Robinson and MKG. Young, athletically appealing, the most offensive potential of the 3