Tank World Order

[Pooh_Jeter]

The resemblance between "TWO" and Trump supporters is uncanny.

Both convince themselves that being a loser is justified. Its been and is fascinating to watch to say the least.

Some people have never played a sport or a professional sport it seems, let alone professional basketball. No athlete wants to lose for some fans acting like a GM on a website lol. It sucks some of these posters are mad but sometimes the stars align a different way. It's sad seeing everyone hoping we lose every game and to dump our whole roster to tank for us to land Cade. Boucher has been playing great and now I hear "Trade Boucher for picks". Lol this is one of the most bipolar fan bases I've witnessed.

Yeah, what the fans want has nothing to do what the players do on the court. Tanking is a directive by the GM. The coaches and the players go out and play hard and to win. Look at the Thunder.

Boucher is 28, has one more year on his contract and is playing completely out of his mind. He is literally the text book definition of sell high.

[Hero]

Some people have never played a sport or a professional sport it seems, let alone professional basketball. No athlete wants to lose for some fans acting like a GM on a website lol.

But how many of us are athletes on the Toronto raptors or know any of them personally. Why would that be our perspective? If you're a fan of an org is all you care about short term success?

[KL78192020]

The resemblance between "TWO" and Trump supporters is uncanny.

Both convince themselves that being a loser is justified. Its been and is fascinating to watch to say the least.

Some people have never played a sport or a professional sport it seems, let alone professional basketball. No athlete wants to lose for some fans acting like a GM on a website lol. It sucks some of these posters are mad but sometimes the stars align a different way. It's sad seeing everyone hoping we lose every game and to dump our whole roster to tank for us to land Cade. Boucher has been playing great and now I hear "Trade Boucher for picks". Lol this is one of the most bipolar fan bases I've witnessed.

Mark Cuban one of the best owners in pro sports admits to tanking. Everyone does it, just because they don't admit doesn't mean it doesn't happen, and again it has nothing to do with players or coaches. Its above them from ownership/GM that constructs the team to tank.

You guys are clueless on the concept of tanking, has zero to do with players wanting to play hard and win.

Watch on YouTube

[Marty_Budda]

The resemblance between "TWO" and Trump supporters is uncanny.

Both convince themselves that being a loser is justified. Its been and is fascinating to watch to say the least.

Some people have never played a sport or a professional sport it seems, let alone professional basketball. No athlete wants to lose for some fans acting like a GM on a website lol. It sucks some of these posters are mad but sometimes the stars align a different way. It's sad seeing everyone hoping we lose every game and to dump our whole roster to tank for us to land Cade. Boucher has been playing great and now I hear "Trade Boucher for picks". Lol this is one of the most bipolar fan bases I've witnessed.

1. Mixing politics with sports is just stupid in itself. Comparing people who want a high draft pick to trump supporters is even dumber.

2. Nobody is saying the players should go out and lose. It’s up to the front office to make that happen via trades. How can people not see the benefits of a short tank in a messed up season to begin with - where we’re obviously a first round exit at best, is beyond me.

However I don’t agree with the “trade everyone on the team for draft picks” crew.

[bballsparkin]

I was curious what Houston's FRP situation was this year so checked.

2021 - 1-4 Own; or least favorable of HOU 5-30, MIA and OKC and two most favorable to OKC (via MIA to PHX to PHL to LAC to OKC; via OKC swap of OKC or MIA for HOU) [may be swapped by HOU for BRK]; DET 17-30 [may be swapped by HOU for BRK]; POR 15-30 [may be swapped by HOU for BRK]; HOU swap of HOU, OKC, MIA, DET 17-30 or POR 15-30 for BRK in accordance with other conditions

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team

Can anyone interpret that for me lol.

The Rockets pick is top 4 protected from being swapped with OKC. The Thunder have their own pick and Miami's pick so they can swap the worst of those two picks for Houston's (if it isn't top 4 of course).

Ah I see, thanks. Ouch. What a bad trade. It just shows why owners should not interfere with transactions. OKC sure is sitting pretty this draft.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

The resemblance between "TWO" and Trump supporters is uncanny.

Both convince themselves that being a loser is justified. Its been and is fascinating to watch to say the least.

wow. i mean you can be arguing about this in a respectable manner or not talk about it at all. you just lowered yourself to the standard of pettiness and elementary grade name calling here.

you realize that the players play to win and that GMs/Owners can replenish their talent level through the draft. mostly uncorrelated. all teams do it in every league. Basketball, baseball, Hockey.

i've been saying it again and again, the name of the game is control of a potential superstar for 7+ years and adding/raising the talent ceiling/floor. I do not think there is anything wrong with that at all as it is a method of potentially achieving a championship(s) down the line. it is an approach.

noone here is saying they want to keep losing as you've tried so hard and "cleverly" trying to associate them with an unpopular group of US voters. just comparing the two makes you a **** dick.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

The resemblance between "TWO" and Trump supporters is uncanny.

Both convince themselves that being a loser is justified. Its been and is fascinating to watch to say the least.

Some people have never played a sport or a professional sport it seems, let alone professional basketball. No athlete wants to lose for some fans acting like a GM on a website lol. It sucks some of these posters are mad but sometimes the stars align a different way. It's sad seeing everyone hoping we lose every game and to dump our whole roster to tank for us to land Cade. Boucher has been playing great and now I hear "Trade Boucher for picks". Lol this is one of the most bipolar fan bases I've witnessed.

1. Mixing politics with sports is just stupid in itself. Comparing people who want a high draft pick to trump supporters is even dumber.

2. Nobody is saying the players should go out and lose. It’s up to the front office to make that happen via trades. How can people not see the benefits of a short tank in a messed up season to begin with - where we’re obviously a first round exit at best, is beyond me.

However I don’t agree with the “trade everyone on the team for draft picks” crew.

1. exactly

2. exactly. first round exit, they aren't playing in Toronto, Lowry is/will be 35 and expiring, future looks murky with another non-lottery pick.

i don't even think everyone wants to "trade everyone for draft picks" either. trade Lowry, Norm, sell high on Boucher if someone gives you an over the top offer, SJ, etc. I think most are keen on keeping FVV, OG, Siakam, TD3, Flynn, McCaw , at the very least.

[MixxSRC]

I'm not in "trade everyone for draft picks"...but nobody is untouchable on this squad if there's a right deal...they should make a move

[Pooh_Jeter]

Kyle, Norm and Boucher being dealt is a must. There is no reasonable argument outside of the offers being absolute garbage not to deal them.

I'm probably on the extreme end of the TWO, but even for me as much as I don't really believe in Siakam, FVV or OG as anything but high end role players, they shouldn't just be dumped for anything you can get. They should have real value and you can be selective in how you approach any deals with them involved.

I guess when you don't actually have a reasonable argument you can just make up that TWO is for 5 years of tanking and trading every player on the roster. That, or just call us Nazi's and various other personal attacks.

[ash_k]

The resemblance between "TWO" and Trump supporters is uncanny.

Both convince themselves that being a loser is justified. Its been and is fascinating to watch to say the least.

Some people have never played a sport or a professional sport it seems, let alone professional basketball. No athlete wants to lose for some fans acting like a GM on a website lol. It sucks some of these posters are mad but sometimes the stars align a different way. It's sad seeing everyone hoping we lose every game and to dump our whole roster to tank for us to land Cade. Boucher has been playing great and now I hear "Trade Boucher for picks". Lol this is one of the most bipolar fan bases I've witnessed.

1. Mixing politics with sports is just stupid in itself. Comparing people who want a high draft pick to trump supporters is even dumber.

2. Nobody is saying the players should go out and lose. It’s up to the front office to make that happen via trades. How can people not see the benefits of a short tank in a messed up season to begin with - where we’re obviously a first round exit at best, is beyond me.

However I don’t agree with the “trade everyone on the team for draft picks” crew.

it depends, if you have even taken basic Politics 101/just know basic politics that it is NOT "stupid"..but if you have not or if you are unaware of basic of politics then..I understand your POV

~A process of conflict resolution in which support is mobilized and maintained for collective action.

With that definition, Red_Claw is correct when it says that TWO folks have convinced themselves that being a loser is justified! so there is conflict between TWO and true fans like Red_Claw. We are currently in a process of resolving that conflict, get it?! Even though just like Trump supporters, TWO will not change their minds

[Bruin]

Kyle, Norm and Boucher being dealt is a must. There is no reasonable argument outside of the offers being absolute garbage not to deal them.

I'm probably on the extreme end of the TWO, but even for me as much as I don't really believe in Siakam, FVV or OG as anything but high end role players, they shouldn't just be dumped for anything you can get. They should have real value and you can be selective in how you approach any deals with them involved.

I guess when you don't actually have a reasonable argument you can just make up that TWO is for 5 years of tanking and trading every player on the roster. That, or just call us Nazi's and various other personal attacks.

Trading Boucher at his peak value right now is a must. Cheap contract and don’t see him ever putting up much better numbers as he’s soon gonna be on scouting reports and will be dealt with by teams. Plus he’s not really young anymore. This is his prime basically. I think we could reasonably get a 1st rounder for him from a team drafting in the 20s

[bballsparkin]

I agree with trading Norm and Kyle. It's time for a youth movement. But not necessarily Boucher. First of all, he's one of the players I personally enjoy watching play. And although he's no spring chicken he's made huge strides and has a good contract next year to boot. A team would have to make a nice offer for me to move him.

[Marty_Budda]

Some people have never played a sport or a professional sport it seems, let alone professional basketball. No athlete wants to lose for some fans acting like a GM on a website lol. It sucks some of these posters are mad but sometimes the stars align a different way. It's sad seeing everyone hoping we lose every game and to dump our whole roster to tank for us to land Cade. Boucher has been playing great and now I hear "Trade Boucher for picks". Lol this is one of the most bipolar fan bases I've witnessed.

1. Mixing politics with sports is just stupid in itself. Comparing people who want a high draft pick to trump supporters is even dumber.

2. Nobody is saying the players should go out and lose. It’s up to the front office to make that happen via trades. How can people not see the benefits of a short tank in a messed up season to begin with - where we’re obviously a first round exit at best, is beyond me.

However I don’t agree with the “trade everyone on the team for draft picks” crew.

it depends, if you have even taken basic Politics 101/just know basic politics that it is NOT "stupid"..but if you have not or if you are unaware of basic of politics then..I understand your POV

~A process of conflict resolution in which support is mobilized and maintained for collective action.

With that definition, Red_Claw is correct when it says that TWO folks have convinced themselves that being a loser is justified! so there is conflict between TWO and true fans like Red_Claw. We are currently in a process of resolving that conflict, get it?! Even though just like Trump supporters, TWO will not change their minds

Kyrie is that you?!

[ash_k]

1. Mixing politics with sports is just stupid in itself. Comparing people who want a high draft pick to trump supporters is even dumber.

2. Nobody is saying the players should go out and lose. It’s up to the front office to make that happen via trades. How can people not see the benefits of a short tank in a messed up season to begin with - where we’re obviously a first round exit at best, is beyond me.

However I don’t agree with the “trade everyone on the team for draft picks” crew.

it depends, if you have even taken basic Politics 101/just know basic politics that it is NOT "stupid"..but if you have not or if you are unaware of basic of politics then..I understand your POV

~A process of conflict resolution in which support is mobilized and maintained for collective action.

With that definition, Red_Claw is correct when it says that TWO folks have convinced themselves that being a loser is justified! so there is conflict between TWO and true fans like Red_Claw. We are currently in a process of resolving that conflict, get it?! Even though just like Trump supporters, TWO will not change their minds

Kyrie is that you?!

nah, it is just politics101. Hopefully, you understand Red Claw's comparison better now. Cheers!

[Marty_Budda]

it depends, if you have even taken basic Politics 101/just know basic politics that it is NOT "stupid"..but if you have not or if you are unaware of basic of politics then..I understand your POV

~A process of conflict resolution in which support is mobilized and maintained for collective action.

With that definition, Red_Claw is correct when it says that TWO folks have convinced themselves that being a loser is justified! so there is conflict between TWO and true fans like Red_Claw. We are currently in a process of resolving that conflict, get it?! Even though just like Trump supporters, TWO will not change their minds

Kyrie is that you?!

nah, it is just politics101. Hopefully, you understand Red Claw's comparison better now. Cheers!

I understood it the first time without the pseudo intellectual bs.

It’s a crappy comparison with the intention to upset people. Not resolve anything.

[ash_k]

Kyrie is that you?!

nah, it is just politics101. Hopefully, you understand Red Claw's comparison better now. Cheers!

I understood it the first time without the pseudo intellectual bs.

It’s a crappy comparison with the intention to upset people. Not resolve anything.

"pseudo intellectual" for a definition that you should know at 18 years old, if not sooner. okay then.

It is a fair comparison 100%. People have decided to live in totally different reality.
FVV&Siakam performed at the highest-level in the NBA Finals (rare breed of players that can do that)...But TWO want to move away from that having convinced themselves that their "future" high FirstRound picks will automatically perform at the highest-level as well. Sorry folks, conflict has been resolved: We are sticking with FVV and Siakam

[DonDoolie]

Enjoy the Ls this is the perfect season to blow it up and get a top pick. Don't fall for the false hope of a treadmill team. Let reality guide you and not some bull delusion and false hope. Kawhi Leonard is not here to save us. We need assets and talent not overpaid role players and midgets chucking threes every possession.

[T-d0t]

Kyle, Norm and Boucher being dealt is a must. There is no reasonable argument outside of the offers being absolute garbage not to deal them.

I'm probably on the extreme end of the TWO, but even for me as much as I don't really believe in Siakam, FVV or OG as anything but high end role players, they shouldn't just be dumped for anything you can get. They should have real value and you can be selective in how you approach any deals with them involved.

I guess when you don't actually have a reasonable argument you can just make up that TWO is for 5 years of tanking and trading every player on the roster. That, or just call us Nazi's and various other personal attacks.

Trading Boucher at his peak value right now is a must. Cheap contract and don’t see him ever putting up much better numbers as he’s soon gonna be on scouting reports and will be dealt with by teams. Plus he’s not really young anymore. This is his prime basically. I think we could reasonably get a 1st rounder for him from a team drafting in the 20s

Need to wait until at least after Feb 23 2020

[Red_Claw]

The resemblance between "TWO" and Trump supporters is uncanny.

Both convince themselves that being a loser is justified. Its been and is fascinating to watch to say the least.

wow. i mean you can be arguing about this in a respectable manner or not talk about it at all. you just lowered yourself to the standard of pettiness and elementary grade name calling here.

you realize that the players play to win and that GMs/Owners can replenish their talent level through the draft. mostly uncorrelated. all teams do it in every league. Basketball, baseball, Hockey.

i've been saying it again and again, the name of the game is control of a potential superstar for 7+ years and adding/raising the talent ceiling/floor. I do not think there is anything wrong with that at all as it is a method of potentially achieving a championship(s) down the line. it is an approach.

noone here is saying they want to keep losing as you've tried so hard and "cleverly" trying to associate them with an unpopular group of US voters. just comparing the two makes you a **** dick.

You obviously have a very low perception of Trump supporters or you wouldn't have taken this so personally. I can't blame you, its easy to blame Trumpers for their ignorance and though it doesn't matter what my views are in this regard, i will say im very liberal and believe in some socialist systems but defining the 49ish % of Americans as one negative group is wrong. They are clearly misinformed and have felt they haven't been represented for a longtime.

In comes Trump (TWO), and he tells and shows his supporters its ok to be an **** (loser) to get what you want and you will get what you want if you support me. "Two" promises a top 5 pick who will make the Raptors great again. Its guaranteed that this pick will bring immediate success to the team and that we will be back to "winning" in no time!

The fact is, it sounds nice but its just not true. Its not true that we can guarantee a top 5 pick and its not true that that pick will immediately become the primary and final piece to a championship team.

Now, i don't believe in TWO but i do believe in building assets so im all for the right Lowry, Norm and none core trades. We very well may end up with 13th-18th pick and im fine with that. What im not fine with developing players in a losing atmosphere just like i don't believe a country should be run in a negative one.

Few conflicts can be solved with easy solution but most aren't. High rewards take mental toughness, work ethic and patience not just "fantastic people". Champions are build with character, not just talent.

[Pooh_Jeter]

I'm enjoying how ash comes in here missing the actual point (not frivolously comparing sports/politics), gives a terrible wiki definition of "politics" then doubles down and makes himself sound literally like Trump. Incredible the lack of self awareness.