Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[ATLTimekeeper]

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How are you getting these questions based on what i said? You’re not comprehending. Scottie moving next to Siakam wasn’t a shot at nurse. It was a move done by management for optics in the room to make it known that scottie is a big piece of the team. If Masai thinks that move was warranted after a ROY campaign, what do you think his thoughts were when Fred/Nurse were hijacking the offense and having Scottie a 4/5 option? Well let me tell you, he fired the coach who implemented that nonsense. Lol.

I can assure you that next season scottie will have a much bigger role next season.

The coach was hijacking the offense?

I just look at what Scottie did in the opportunities he was given and it wasn't great. Everyone seemed to agree that he didn't work hard enough in the off-season, Masai included, so I can't see Masai being that upset that Scottie wasn't gift-wrapped the offense.

I think Nurse was fired because he pushed for an extension to avoid lame duck status. But really I can't tell if you're speaking from things you've read/heard on the radio or this is just your interpretation.

[WuTang_CMB]

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How are you getting these questions based on what i said? You’re not comprehending. Scottie moving next to Siakam wasn’t a shot at nurse. It was a move done by management for optics in the room to make it known that scottie is a big piece of the team. If Masai thinks that move was warranted after a ROY campaign, what do you think his thoughts were when Fred/Nurse were hijacking the offense and having Scottie a 4/5 option? Well let me tell you, he fired the coach who implemented that nonsense. Lol.

I can assure you that next season scottie will have a much bigger role next season.

The coach was hijacking the offense?

I just look at what Scottie did in the opportunities he was given and it wasn't great. Everyone seemed to agree that he didn't work hard enough in the off-season, Masai included, so I can't see Masai being that upset that Scottie wasn't gift-wrapped the offense.

I think Nurse was fired because he pushed for an extension to avoid lame duck status. But really I can't tell if you're speaking from things you've read/heard on the radio or this is just your interpretation.

You gotta watch the team to understand what happend but il explain below. The coach deploys the players in a system made by him. Nurse enabled Fred to hijack our offense especially during that brutal stretch in november-january where masai repeatedly called it selfish play and where we ultimately lost the season. That’s on the coach. They already had intentions of giving more role to scottie and fred admitted he didnt know about it but he caught on. Communication and execution on it - coach failed. What did you watch this year to make you think Scottie was given a prominent role in the offense? He wasn’t. He had a tough start but then came on. Young players need defined roles. Not free flowing. Works with vets with continuity not young players. Scottie will get that role next season.

Nurse was fired for a variety of reasons. Lack of culture, systems, accountability and player development. Masai would gladly extend him if those were all check marks. They werent. Thus why he was fired. The ceiling of this team depends on Scottie. They aren’t going to stunt his growth with another season like last one where he doesnt have a bigger role. Doesnt take much to realize that.

[ATLTimekeeper]

You gotta watch the team to understand what happend but il explain below. The coach deploys the players in a system made by him. Nurse enabled Fred to hijack our offense especially during that brutal stretch in november-january where masai repeatedly called it selfish play and where we ultimately lost the season. That’s on the coach. What did you watch this year to make you think Scottie was given a prominent role in the offense? He wasn’t. He had a tough start but then came on. Young players need defined roles. Not free flowing. Works with vets with continuity not young players. Scottie will get that role next season.

Scottie won ROY in the same free flowing offense. Not sure I buy that argument at all. He wasn't given a prominent role, but also didn't command one. If Masai wanted to build around Scottie he would have made moves to do just that. Of course he thought he was a big part of the future, because they drafted him 4th and he won ROY, but all this stuff about being treated like a journeyman looks like conjecture.

2nd in isolations on team, 30th percentile in the league.
2nd in post-ups, 32nd percentile
5th on PnR ballhandler on team, 18th percentile.

[WuTang_CMB]

You gotta watch the team to understand what happend but il explain below. The coach deploys the players in a system made by him. Nurse enabled Fred to hijack our offense especially during that brutal stretch in november-january where masai repeatedly called it selfish play and where we ultimately lost the season. That’s on the coach. What did you watch this year to make you think Scottie was given a prominent role in the offense? He wasn’t. He had a tough start but then came on. Young players need defined roles. Not free flowing. Works with vets with continuity not young players. Scottie will get that role next season.

Scottie won ROY in the same free flowing offense. Not sure I buy that argument at all. He wasn't given a prominent role, but also didn't command one. If Masai wanted to build around Scottie he would have made moves to do just that. Of course he thought he was a big part of the future, because they drafted him 4th and he won ROY, but all this stuff about being treated like a journeyman looks like conjecture.

2nd in isolations on team, 30th percentile in the league.
2nd in post-ups, 32nd percentile
5th on PnR ballhandler on team, 18th percentile.

Winning ROY is a testament to being better than other rookies. Role definition is still needed especially for growth for younger players and when you have younger vets like Fred. Coaches need to set the path not the players. Scottie cant demand the role it comes from the coaches. Scottie had a stagnant year...theres a correlation there. Of course what lol. I just told you masai’s expectations and what they think of scottie, you seemed to not understand it. my points before and firing the coach just cement my argument that scottie will have a bigger role next season. You still haven’t made an argument to this nor do i know what you are arguing.

[mdenny]

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How are you getting these questions based on what i said? You’re not comprehending. Scottie moving next to Siakam wasn’t a shot at nurse. It was a move done by management for optics in the room to make it known that scottie is a big piece of the team. If Masai thinks that move was warranted after a ROY campaign, what do you think his thoughts were when Fred/Nurse were hijacking the offense and having Scottie a 4/5 option? Well let me tell you, he fired the coach who implemented that nonsense. Lol.

I can assure you that next season scottie will have a much bigger role next season.

The coach was hijacking the offense?

I just look at what Scottie did in the opportunities he was given and it wasn't great. Everyone seemed to agree that he didn't work hard enough in the off-season, Masai included, so I can't see Masai being that upset that Scottie wasn't gift-wrapped the offense.

I think Nurse was fired because he pushed for an extension to avoid lame duck status. But really I can't tell if you're speaking from things you've read/heard on the radio or this is just your interpretation.

You gotta watch the team to understand what happend but il explain below. The coach deploys the players in a system made by him. Nurse enabled Fred to hijack our offense especially during that brutal stretch in november-january where masai repeatedly called it selfish play and where we ultimately lost the season. That’s on the coach. They already had intentions of giving more role to scottie and fred admitted he didnt know about it but he caught on. Communication and execution on it - coach failed. What did you watch this year to make you think Scottie was given a prominent role in the offense? He wasn’t. He had a tough start but then came on. Young players need defined roles. Not free flowing. Works with vets with continuity not young players. Scottie will get that role next season.

Nurse was fired for a variety of reasons. Lack of culture, systems, accountability and player development. Masai would gladly extend him if those were all check marks. They werent. Thus why he was fired. The ceiling of this team depends on Scottie. They aren’t going to stunt his growth with another season like last one where he doesnt have a bigger role. Doesnt take much to realize that.

You're getting this backwards. Scotty was given more freedom and more chances to create at the exact time that our offense was a mess.

Our offense significantly improved after the poetl trade. When scotty's freedom and chances to create became more limited.

The offensive freedom and "not stunting scotty's growth" is what made the first half of the season such a mess. As we go into a more structured offense....scotty will have LESS chances to create.

Scotty even said it in his exit interview. He likes playing for nurse because of the freedom. That freedom is going to DECREASE, not increase....as our offense becomes more structured.

OG and Scotty are the players who benefit from the unstructured offense. They get a chance to create. Fred and poetl are the ones who benefit from more structure because they are more traditional offensive players. You seem to think it's the opposite if I understand you correctly.

In other words...what you want for scotty (not stunting his growth) is exactly what we got the first half of this season. It appears we are now pivoting towards more structure (which is what Fred wanted all season long).

We're going in a more fred-heavy direction by implementing structure. A scotty-growth direction would be less structure, which we all watched fail.

[HumbleRen]

The coach was hijacking the offense?

I just look at what Scottie did in the opportunities he was given and it wasn't great. Everyone seemed to agree that he didn't work hard enough in the off-season, Masai included, so I can't see Masai being that upset that Scottie wasn't gift-wrapped the offense.

I think Nurse was fired because he pushed for an extension to avoid lame duck status. But really I can't tell if you're speaking from things you've read/heard on the radio or this is just your interpretation.

You gotta watch the team to understand what happend but il explain below. The coach deploys the players in a system made by him. Nurse enabled Fred to hijack our offense especially during that brutal stretch in november-january where masai repeatedly called it selfish play and where we ultimately lost the season. That’s on the coach. They already had intentions of giving more role to scottie and fred admitted he didnt know about it but he caught on. Communication and execution on it - coach failed. What did you watch this year to make you think Scottie was given a prominent role in the offense? He wasn’t. He had a tough start but then came on. Young players need defined roles. Not free flowing. Works with vets with continuity not young players. Scottie will get that role next season.

Nurse was fired for a variety of reasons. Lack of culture, systems, accountability and player development. Masai would gladly extend him if those were all check marks. They werent. Thus why he was fired. The ceiling of this team depends on Scottie. They aren’t going to stunt his growth with another season like last one where he doesnt have a bigger role. Doesnt take much to realize that.

You're getting this backwards. Scotty was given more freedom and more chances to create at the exact time that our offense was a mess.

Our offense significantly improved after the poetl trade. When scotty's freedom and chances to create became more limited.

The offensive freedom and "not stunting scotty's growth" is what made the first half of the season such a mess. As we go into a more structured offense....scotty will have LESS chances to create.

Scotty even said it in his exit interview. He likes playing for nurse because of the freedom. That freedom is going to DECREASE, not increase....as our offense becomes more structured.

OG and Scotty are the players who benefit from the unstructured offense. They get a chance to create. Fred and poetl are the ones who benefit from more structure because they are more traditional offensive players. You seem to think it's the opposite if I understand you correctly.

In other words...what you want for scotty (not stunting his growth) is exactly what we got the first half of this season. It appears we are now pivoting towards more structure (which is what Fred wanted all season long).

We're going in a more fred-heavy direction by implementing structure. A scotty-growth direction would be less structure, which we all watched fail.

But the one who got impacted the most when it became a FVV/Poeltl driven offence was Siakam.

OG played the best basketball of his career post all star break. Scottie was just fine.

[WuTang_CMB]

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You're getting this backwards. Scotty was given more freedom and more chances to create at the exact time that our offense was a mess.

Our offense significantly improved after the poetl trade. When scotty's freedom and chances to create became more limited.

The offensive freedom and "not stunting scotty's growth" is what made the first half of the season such a mess. As we go into a more structured offense....scotty will have LESS chances to create.

Scotty even said it in his exit interview. He likes playing for nurse because of the freedom. That freedom is going to DECREASE, not increase....as our offense becomes more structured.

OG and Scotty are the players who benefit from the unstructured offense. They get a chance to create. Fred and poetl are the ones who benefit from more structure because they are more traditional offensive players. You seem to think it's the opposite if I understand you correctly.

In other words...what you want for scotty (not stunting his growth) is exactly what we got the first half of this season. It appears we are now pivoting towards more structure (which is what Fred wanted all season long).

We're going in a more fred-heavy direction by implementing structure. A scotty-growth direction would be less structure, which we all watched fail.

Your timelines are off. The season went downhill when Fred was playing selfish ball for 2 months and produced 8 games below .500, not due to Scottie's early "responsibility" that quickly faded away once FVV and Nurse scrapped it. Scottie needs a defined role with high usage in order to properly grow and IMO for this team be successful on the offensive end. You are not winning when Fred has a higher usage than Scottie which is what happened this past season. Don't get confused over freedom vs bigger role, the new coach will have him in a consistent high usage role next season to grow his game and to trigger a better offense. Kids need structure and consistent touches. The upside to this team is tied to Scottie, if we are not going to invest in his third season, while continuing to give the keys to FVV, then we should pack our bags.

[ATLTimekeeper]

So if Nurse just gave Scottie high volume touches he would have produced better offense for himself and the team last year?

[tripa]

Any cool instagram clips of Scottie shooting in an empty gym for us to get excited over?

[DG88]

Any cool instagram clips of Scottie shooting in an empty gym for us to get excited over?

He was in the gym today and looks like he took up boxing.

[tripa]

Any cool instagram clips of Scottie shooting in an empty gym for us to get excited over?

He was in the gym today and looks like he took up boxing.

Lovely.

[mdenny]

Any cool instagram clips of Scottie shooting in an empty gym for us to get excited over?

He was in the gym today and looks like he took up boxing.

Lovely.

Not real boxing. He bought a Wii and was livestreaming.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Fred wanted more structure because everyone was permitted to see what they could get. This includes himself, and Scottie, but also OG, Boucher and Precious. OG benefitted from the PnR heavy offense because his best offensive skill is just hitting catch and shoot 3s. While he accepted this role temporarily, it remains to be seen whether he'd be content in that role going forward. Siakam saw a slight dip in TS post ASB. 2% Seems pretty small to really say he was struggling, although there were some awful performances in there.

Scottie will get more offensive responsibility as he gets better, which is how it always works for young promising players. He wasn't treated like a journeyman. A new coach will pitch Masai on how to make him look better. They'll pitch Masai on how to make every player look better.

[WuTang_CMB]

Just happy we are not going to watch that garbage freelance offense next season. Scottie will get a defined and bigger role next season to grow and with a better offensive system and personnel, we should look dramatically different.

[Vampirate]

Fred wanted more structure because everyone was permitted to see what they could get. This includes himself, and Scottie, but also OG, Boucher and Precious. OG benefitted from the PnR heavy offense because his best offensive skill is just hitting catch and shoot 3s. While he accepted this role temporarily, it remains to be seen whether he'd be content in that role going forward. Siakam saw a slight dip in TS post ASB. 2% Seems pretty small to really say he was struggling, although there were some awful performances in there.

Scottie will get more offensive responsibility as he gets better, which is how it always works for young promising players. He wasn't treated like a journeyman. A new coach will pitch Masai on how to make him look better. They'll pitch Masai on how to make every player look better.

This line of thinking only works if you're a perennial 50+ win team, which we are not.

This season pretty much proves we should be focusing on development only instead of wins because we just aren't good enough for the latter.

If we went into a true rebuild phase, Barnes would definitely be a top option. (Siakam, FVV would be gone and OG might be as well).

We need to throw Barnes into the wolves so to speak and see if he survives the struggles.

[vulture]

The coach highjacked the offense might the dumbest thing ever said as basketball analysis.

[Los_29]

The coach highjacked the offense might the dumbest thing ever said as basketball analysis.

Wouldn’t be surprised if they heard that from Pensare.

[vulture]

The coach highjacked the offense might the dumbest thing ever said as basketball analysis.

Wouldn’t be surprised if they heard that from Pensare.

Certain people just have amnesia about how terrible Scottie was this season. They are just looking for excuses.

[mtcan]

The coach highjacked the offense might the dumbest thing ever said as basketball analysis.

Wouldn’t be surprised if they heard that from Pensare.

Certain people just have amnesia about how terrible Scottie was this season. They are just looking for excuses.

I think people are also expecting a second year player to play like a 7 year vet.

I see a problem with Nick Nurse and young players. They don't a long leash to work through mistakes and play through adversity. Guys come into the game...make a mistake and then get yanked.

That's a problem when the coach is coaching to win instead of developing.

[Los_29]

Wouldn’t be surprised if they heard that from Pensare.

Certain people just have amnesia about how terrible Scottie was this season. They are just looking for excuses.

I think people are also expecting a second year player to play like a 7 year vet.

I see a problem with Nick Nurse and young players. They don't a long leash to work through mistakes and play through adversity. Guys come into the game...make a mistake and then get yanked.

That's a problem when the coach is coaching to win instead of developing.

If we are talking about players like Banton and Flynn then perhaps, but not Scottie. Scottie had an incredibly long leash and was able to constantly play through his mistakes.

In regards to the other younger players, I'm pretty confident that Flynn and Dowtin will struggle to carve out a career in the NBA. I don't think that is Nurse's fault.