Shams: Lillard to Milwaukee in three team deal

[Johnny Bball]

I actually like the haul for Portland assuming they can get back a good return for Jrue.

Portland rolling with Ayton at the center position is such a Portland thing to do though.

The Ayton deal looks like it was already constructed before the Bucks deal. I seriously doubt Grayson Allen was the key to making that deal.

Suns badly wanted Ayton out before the season started and probably set their sights on Nurkic being the only reasonable C they could expect back in return, with some other bench assets.

The inclusion of Ayton into the Bucks deal just gives PDX/Cronin some cover that they got something tangible back in the deal.

Yep, This league has 20 Grayson Allens and Ayton is overpaid with little motor displayed. Nurkic was it. It essentially was/could have been two separate trades, but nobody is looking aat it that way.

[JB7]

I actually like the haul for Portland assuming they can get back a good return for Jrue.

Portland rolling with Ayton at the center position is such a Portland thing to do though.

The Ayton deal looks like it was already constructed before the Bucks deal. I seriously doubt Grayson Allen was the key to making that deal.

Suns badly wanted Ayton out before the season started and probably set their sights on Nurkic being the only reasonable C they could expect back in return, with some other bench assets.

The inclusion of Ayton into the Bucks deal just gives PDX/Cronin some cover that they got something tangible back in the deal.

Yep, This league has 20 Grayson Allens and Ayton is overpaid with little motor displayed. Nurkic was it. It essentially was/could have been two separate trades, but nobody is looking aat it that way.

I wonder if the Suns offered Ayton to the Spurs last trade deadline for Poeltl and pieces and were rejected by the Spurs?

[Wise80]

Woj article suggests:

Bucks made the best offer

We were never really in the running

Will be interesting to see what team chemistry is like this season with pretty much all our key guys on the trade block. At this stage seems like Barnes is the only guy our management seem untouchable.

They got a lot better offer than I thought they would. They got a decent C and some picks that have a chance to be pretty high. Plus they'll get some more for holiday. I didn't think they'd get that much.

You're exactly right. 3 of our top 5 guys are unrestricted next year and they all pretty much know they've been shopped. You saw people play for contracts last year and that was when they weren't being shopped. Add in the fact they know that management has tried to trade them, and it gets a lot easier to only care about yours.

I'm curious to see how this plays out.

[WuTang_CMB]

I like portlands deal witu boston here. Got 2 picks which i thought was the price plus timelord

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[ForeverTFC]

I like portlands deal witu boston here. Got 2 picks which i thought was the price plus timelord

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Austin isn’t part of the Dame deal. Cronin apparently had the deal since July but wanted it to happen during Dame trade for optics.

The Return was: Timelord, Brogdan, Allen, Camara, 3 firsts, 2 swaps. It’s a decent return.

[navyblue]

Part of equation is nukic, nassir little, keon johnson as well. If we are aggregating the incoming, the outcome must be aggregated.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

It was the best offer.

Easily.

Depends on what jrue trade conveys I guess. I think jrue market more limited than most make it out to be due to age and contract. But we shall see

A young starting center and a former all star trump Herro, mediocre prospects and late picks. You are right though, we won’t know until Jrue gets moved.

not a bad haul with williams and brogdon; i assume brogdon will be moved at some point. williams is intersting; he's a good player on a good contract but injury prone; and will be playing behind ayton?

[PushDaRock]

I get the NTC and Lillard being the better player but Beal is still 3 years younger so it's incredible comparing the returns between what Beal and Lillard got their respective teams.

[JRoy]

Depends on what jrue trade conveys I guess. I think jrue market more limited than most make it out to be due to age and contract. But we shall see

A young starting center and a former all star trump Herro, mediocre prospects and late picks. You are right though, we won’t know until Jrue gets moved.

not a bad haul with williams and brogdon; i assume brogdon will be moved at some point. williams is intersting; he's a good player on a good contract but injury prone; and will be playing behind ayton?

That seems to be the plan.

Brogdon may have a market among playoff teams needing a vet guard. Would TOR be interested?

I like Williams and POR and injury prone centers go together like peanut butter and jelly.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

A young starting center and a former all star trump Herro, mediocre prospects and late picks. You are right though, we won’t know until Jrue gets moved.

not a bad haul with williams and brogdon; i assume brogdon will be moved at some point. williams is intersting; he's a good player on a good contract but injury prone; and will be playing behind ayton?

That seems to be the plan.

Brogdon may have a market among playoff teams needing a vet guard. Would TOR be interested?

I like Williams and POR and injury prone centers go together like peanut butter and jelly.

we need guards but he makes too much and is too injury prone and raps prob wouldn't give up anything other than expirings for him.

[JRoy]

not a bad haul with williams and brogdon; i assume brogdon will be moved at some point. williams is intersting; he's a good player on a good contract but injury prone; and will be playing behind ayton?

That seems to be the plan.

Brogdon may have a market among playoff teams needing a vet guard. Would TOR be interested?

I like Williams and POR and injury prone centers go together like peanut butter and jelly.

we need guards but he makes too much and is too injury prone and raps prob wouldn't give up anything other than expirings for him.

Understandable. I wouldn’t want to give much for him either, but it really looks to me like TOR needs an upgrade.

Maybe ORL.

[navyblue]

I get the NTC and Lillard being the better player but Beal is still 3 years younger so it's incredible comparing the returns between what Beal and Lillard got their respective teams.

Miami must really be kicking themselves for passing on beal.

Weren't they on his shortlist? They chose to pursue Lillard.

[SharoneWright]

I’m not saying JRue is right for the Raps at all - he’s not…. but it’s so depressing to watch Masai sitting on his hands. When did he get scared?

[Scase]

I’m not saying JRue is right for the Raps at all - he’s not…. but it’s so depressing to watch Masai sitting on his hands. When did he get scared?

I don't get the scared vibe, I get the "I'm smarter than everyone else" vibe. Project 6'9, overvaluing our players, and thinking he can just pounce on stuff anytime it's convenient for him while giving up the absolute bare minimum, are examples.

[WuTang_CMB]

I like portlands deal witu boston here. Got 2 picks which i thought was the price plus timelord

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Austin isn’t part of the Dame deal. Cronin apparently had the deal since July but wanted it to happen during Dame trade for optics.

The Return was: Timelord, Brogdan, Allen, Camara, 3 firsts, 2 swaps. It’s a decent return.

Ayton is apart of the grand haul. He wasn’t doing the deal for Lillard without receiving Ayton else they would have just done seperate deals long ago. Trigger for phx was getting their role player and to make salaries work most importantly

[ForeverTFC]

I like portlands deal witu boston here. Got 2 picks which i thought was the price plus timelord

Read on Twitter

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Austin isn’t part of the Dame deal. Cronin apparently had the deal since July but wanted it to happen during Dame trade for optics.

The Return was: Timelord, Brogdan, Allen, Camara, 3 firsts, 2 swaps. It’s a decent return.

Ayton is apart of the grand haul. He wasn’t doing the deal for Lillard without receiving Ayton else they would have just done seperate deals long ago. Trigger for phx was getting their role player and to make salaries work most importantly

They could have done that deal with any player. Cronin is an optics guy and plays media games. He waited to couple the trades so he could make his haul look better.

[WuTang_CMB]

Austin isn’t part of the Dame deal. Cronin apparently had the deal since July but wanted it to happen during Dame trade for optics.

The Return was: Timelord, Brogdan, Allen, Camara, 3 firsts, 2 swaps. It’s a decent return.

Ayton is apart of the grand haul. He wasn’t doing the deal for Lillard without receiving Ayton else they would have just done seperate deals long ago. Trigger for phx was getting their role player and to make salaries work most importantly

They could have done that deal with any player. Cronin is an optics guy and plays media games. He waited to couple the trades so he could make his haul look better.

Even so ayton was part of the haul and made phx wait for him

[Mister Ze]

At this point the Bucks and Celtics are 60+ win teams so what’s the point of being a play-in team?

[old skool]

I actually like the haul for Portland assuming they can get back a good return for Jrue.

Portland rolling with Ayton at the center position is such a Portland thing to do though.

The Ayton deal looks like it was already constructed before the Bucks deal. I seriously doubt Grayson Allen was the key to making that deal.

Suns badly wanted Ayton out before the season started and probably set their sights on Nurkic being the only reasonable C they could expect back in return, with some other bench assets.

The inclusion of Ayton into the Bucks deal just gives PDX/Cronin some cover that they got something tangible back in the deal.

Yep, This league has 20 Grayson Allens and Ayton is overpaid with little motor displayed. Nurkic was it. It essentially was/could have been two separate trades, but nobody is looking aat it that way.

Splitting the Lillard trade into two separate transactions would not have been possible under the CBA.

Portland could have acquired Ayton for Nurkic with fillers, but they could not move Lillard for Holiday and picks. Allen's $9-million salary had to be conveyed in that trade to make it work under the CBA.

Cronin knew that without the involvement of a third team, the number of potential offers for Lillard would be severely limited. Cronin did what any good GM would do. He lined up a good trade with Phoenix and held off completing that trade until he knew how it had to be adjusted to also make sure he maximized the overall return from Lillard.

The overwhelming consensus among NBA reporters and pundits that I have heard in recent days is that Portland got the best deal available. They point out that Portland got an upgrade at center, draft capital from Milwaukee and an All-Star PG who, while less skilled than Lillard, might fetch a somewhat comparable return. Not because Lillard and Holiday are comparable players, but because there will be a greater number of teams making serious bids.

Teams hoping to acquire Lillard for "pennies on the dollar" were disappointed. Those teams will be disappointed when the same thing happens with Holiday.



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[Johnny Bball]

The Ayton deal looks like it was already constructed before the Bucks deal. I seriously doubt Grayson Allen was the key to making that deal.

Suns badly wanted Ayton out before the season started and probably set their sights on Nurkic being the only reasonable C they could expect back in return, with some other bench assets.

The inclusion of Ayton into the Bucks deal just gives PDX/Cronin some cover that they got something tangible back in the deal.

Yep, This league has 20 Grayson Allens and Ayton is overpaid with little motor displayed. Nurkic was it. It essentially was/could have been two separate trades, but nobody is looking aat it that way.

Splitting the Lillard trade into two separate transactions would not have been possible under the CBA.

Portland could have acquired Ayton for Nurkic with fillers, but they could not move Lillard for Holiday and picks. Allen's $9-million salary had to be conveyed in that trade to make it work under the CBA.

Cronin knew that without the involvement of a third team, the number of potential offers for Lillard would be severely limited. Cronin did what any good GM would do. He lined up a good trade with Phoenix and held off completing that trade until he knew how it had to be adjusted to also make sure he maximized the overall return from Lillard.

The overwhelming consensus among NBA reporters and pundits that I have heard in recent days is that Portland got the best deal available. They point out that Portland got an upgrade at center, draft capital from Milwaukee and an All-Star PG who, while less skilled than Lillard, might fetch a somewhat comparable return. Not because Lillard and Holiday are comparable players, but because there will be a greater number of teams making serious bids.

Teams hoping to acquire Lillard for "pennies on the dollar" were disappointed. Those teams will be disappointed when the same thing happens with Holiday.



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You aren't getting me. Any team that wanted to trade for Lilliard had a Grayson Allen level player to throw in the facilitate the Sun deal. Grayson Allen wasn't the deal breaker. The Dame trade brining Ayton as well would have happened either way woth any other team. Raptors had the best deal, then Miami iIMO but some disagree. Boston overpaying makes it a done deal though. Given that Portland had the Raptors talk to Dame beofre the Bucks indicate they agreed .