Official Brandon Ingram Thread

[tsherkin]

It's not clots iirc, they gave it some weird name. He's supposedly still growing too. So, double whammy.

I mean, yes, it's clots. He had a DVT (deep vein thrombosis, which just means "clot in a vein"), and it sounds like it was secondary to thoracic outlet syndrome.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

It's not clots iirc, they gave it some weird name. He's supposedly still growing too. So, double whammy.

I mean, yes, it's clots. He had a DVT (deep vein thrombosis, which just means "clot in a vein"), and it sounds like it was secondary to thoracic outlet syndrome.

It's all similar jargon to me. People aren't meant to be this big.

[dagger]

I think everyone already knew that if BI can play 60+ games, it's a big plus for the Raptors. If he can't play, say, 50 games, that was always going to be a major failing of the trade. None of this is rocket science.

[bluerap23]

I think everyone already knew that if BI can play 60+ games, it's a big plus for the Raptors. If he can't play, say, 50 games, that was always going to be a major failing of the trade. None of this is rocket science.

If he plays 50 games and is healthy for playoffs I am good.

[tsherkin]

It's all similar jargon to me.

I'm in the healthcare field. Glad to clarify for you

People aren't meant to be this big.

It is what it is. In Wemby's case, it may have more to do with a repetitive stress issue. It happens to golfers sometimes as well, and they aren't known for being terribly large. And in the legs, it happens much more regularly due to immobility and other circulation issues than from anything to do with height, although that obviously is its own factor.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

It's all similar jargon to me.

I'm in the healthcare field. Glad to clarify for you

People aren't meant to be this big.

It is what it is. In Wemby's case, it may have more to do with a repetitive stress issue. It happens to golfers sometimes as well, and they aren't known for being terribly large. And in the legs, it happens much more regularly due to immobility and other circulation issues than from anything to do with height, although that obviously is its own factor.

The heart stops growing around 6'4" ish. So' it's basically just a scale issue.

[tsherkin]

The heart stops growing around 6'4" ish. So' it's basically just a scale issue.

I mean, heart size is linearly related to height. But the overall size of the chambers is less important than the left ventricle stroke volume relative to the person's blood pressure needs. There was a study done on this with NBA players back in 2016. The aortic root seemed to cap in diameter, but left ventricle size looked pretty linear beyond any specific height threshold.

Leg length, in particular, is often a factor for clot development... but not for the kind of clot Wemby had. He appeared to actually have physical compression on one of the veins around his shoulder, which is how the clot developed, which is actually very different than the usual mechanism we think of when we think of DVT in tall guys.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The heart stops growing around 6'4" ish. So' it's basically just a scale issue.

I mean, heart size is linearly related to height. But the overall size of the chambers is less important than the left ventricle stroke volume relative to the person's blood pressure needs. There was a study done on this with NBA players back in 2016. The aortic root seemed to cap in diameter, but left ventricle size looked pretty linear beyond any specific height threshold.

Leg length, in particular, is often a factor for clot development... but not for the kind of clot Wemby had. He appeared to actually have physical compression on one of the veins around his shoulder, which is how the clot developed, which is actually very different than the usual mechanism we think of when we think of DVT in tall guys.

Past a certain height though, the heart becomes the restrictor. Like, 7'1" use to be considered the far end of "safe".

[tsherkin]

Past a certain height though, the heart becomes the restrictor. Like, 7'1" use to be considered the far end of "safe".

Kind of depends on the particulars. If his stroke volume is fine, then his heart is fine. And in the meantime, Wemby's heart isn't at all the issue in this case. It isn't a salient point of discussion to his issues. He should be more worried about maintaining and improving his calf and thigh muscles than anything to do with his heart.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Past a certain height though, the heart becomes the restrictor. Like, 7'1" use to be considered the far end of "safe".

Kind of depends on the particulars. If his stroke volume is fine, then his heart is fine. And in the meantime, Wemby's heart isn't at all the issue in this case. It isn't a salient point of discussion to his issues. He should be more worried about maintaining and improving his calf and thigh muscles than anything to do with his heart.

I'm more worried about the influx of yoga videos, if he can't stay on the floor. I'm at my limit.

[tsherkin]

I'm more worried about the influx of yoga videos, if he can't stay on the floor. I'm at my limit.

You started talking about his heart, so we had the conversation about how that isn't at all his problem.

He had a compressed vein which pitched a clot, which isn't a height-related issue, so we addressed that.

We'll see what happens going forward with Wemby. I hope he's healthy, because he's fun to watch when he isn't just chucking 3s. He also makes defense fun to watch.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I'm more worried about the influx of yoga videos, if he can't stay on the floor. I'm at my limit.

You started talking about his heart, so we had the conversation about how that isn't at all his problem.

He had a compressed vein which pitched a clot, which isn't a height-related issue, so we addressed that.

We'll see what happens going forward with Wemby. I hope he's healthy, because he's fun to watch when he isn't just chucking 3s. He also makes defense fun to watch.

Oh yeah, he's a fun watch. No doubt.

[CPT]

I think everyone already knew that if BI can play 60+ games, it's a big plus for the Raptors. If he can't play, say, 50 games, that was always going to be a major failing of the trade. None of this is rocket science.

It also hinges on playoff availability and all of the in-between scenarios.

I suppose if he helps us make the playoffs, it will be “good” even if he doesn’t play in them, but it won’t feel like it.

Hitching your wagon to this kind of player is always going to be questionable, even if it was “good value.”

[tsherkin]

I think everyone already knew that if BI can play 60+ games, it's a big plus for the Raptors. If he can't play, say, 50 games, that was always going to be a major failing of the trade. None of this is rocket science.

It also hinges on playoff availability and all of the in-between scenarios.

I suppose if he helps us make the playoffs, it will be “good” even if he doesn’t play in them, but it won’t feel like it.

Hitching your wagon to this kind of player is always going to be questionable, even if it was “good value.”

It's definitely a gamble. And as you say, the best scenario is that he's available for us when we're in the playoffs (assuming we make it), as opposed to losing him Embiid-style and then burning out in the first round.

[Basketball_Jones]

I’m interested to see how the team handles those inevitable missed games from Ingram. I honestly feel like it won’t be a big deal. RJ/Walters/Gradey will have opportunity there. Playoffs he’ll be extremely well needed though.

[pingpongrac]

I’m interested to see how the team handles those inevitable missed games from Ingram. I honestly feel like it won’t be a big deal. RJ/Walters/Gradey will have opportunity there. Playoffs he’ll be extremely well needed though.

We probably weren't as bad as the record suggested last season with all of the resting, development, tanking, etc. I think we're pretty well-equipped to handle B2Bs and random games here and there without Ingram because we have so much depth and players wanting to prove themselves. We would definitely need him healthy and fully available for the playoffs, though, assuming we make it that far.

[Tha Cynic]

IMO the Raptors without Ingram, if healthy, are a 7 or 8 seed in the East at min. Ingram is the swing piece that can propel us by pushing other players back in the pecking order.

Raptors imo are being vastly underrated by the mass media. I just hope they are healthy so they can give a big FU to everyone here and the media.

[tsherkin]

IMO the Raptors without Ingram, if healthy, are a 7 or 8 seed in the East at min.

That seems very optimistic. We were 12-21 with Quick in the lineup last year. Without BI, we're relying on Barnes to do the thing he's the worst at (scoring in any kind of volume to spark the offense) and without Ingram, our spacing is still problematic.

I know we tanked to hit 30 wins last year, but that was with a 10-5 March and an 8-7 January. We were significantly before .500 in every other month of the season. Blah blah SRS before and after the new year, sure. But we struggled even when we were healthy because we were a disaster on offense, and that part wasn't entirely because of tanking.

Even without Indiana or Boston in the way, Orlando was a .500 team last year and added Desmond Bane. Atlanta was a 40-win team and made significant upgrades if KP is any kind of healthy. Milwaukee and New York didn't get worse, nor did Cleveland. Chicago is still going to be hovering around .500, as if Miami.

WITH Ingram, we're competitive in the bottom half of the East playoff race. WITHOUT him, we're in reasonably deep crap.

[MEDIC]

I’m interested to see how the team handles those inevitable missed games from Ingram. I honestly feel like it won’t be a big deal. RJ/Walters/Gradey will have opportunity there. Playoffs he’ll be extremely well needed though.

I agree with this. I think this team is set up pretty well to survive stretches of missing 1 of their main guys. (Bi, Scottie, Barrett, IQ). Even one guy missinng for a month or so might be OK. Unless its Poeltl.....they'll eventually struggle due to matchups.

If they are missing 2+, it gets dicey.

[MEDIC]

IMO the Raptors without Ingram, if healthy, are a 7 or 8 seed in the East at min. Ingram is the swing piece that can propel us by pushing other players back in the pecking order.

Raptors imo are being vastly underrated by the mass media. I just hope they are healthy so they can give a big FU to everyone here and the media.

Agreed. I predicted this to be a 38+ win team last season if healthy. Now they have CMB, a bunch of youngsters with a season.or 2 under their belt, Mamu & continuity of players/ coaches from a system development perspective.