Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1161 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:21 pm

Chad Ford Chat today at 1PM

Link to ESPN Chat

Rapsfan07 · Post #1162 » by **Rapsfan07** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:32 pm

Gilchrist is not our guy. I like him a lot but he's not the one for us. We need a better guy than that. We cannot afford to settle for Gerald Wallace in the Top 5.

Raps Big Board should looks something like this:
Davis
Drummond
PJ III
Barnes
Miller/Lamb/Beal

I like Lamb and Beal a lot. I think they'll be All-Stars in the NBA. But assuming that this organization is sticking with DeRozan (hasn't given us a reason to believe otherwise) then if the Top 4 on the above board are off the board, I'd feel safer picking up Miller (if he's declaring) + another asset (young player, pick etc) by trading down. He's very talented, looks to be a good go-to guy in the NBA and fits at the SF position (again - only matters if DD is the future at SG). We're loaded up on bigs as well but it's not a secret that those Top 3 bigs have more potential than our current bigs. I'd chose them in the order I wrote it. If we're not going forward with DD, then I'd look at Lamb/Beal.

The reason I take the Top 3 bigs even if Bargnani is still on our team is because he still - 6 years later has some serious holes in his game and though he's improved quite a bit, unless you have a Bogut, Dwight, Noah etc at C, I'm not convinced it will work. Rebounding and help D are two BIG things you need from your starting PF if you're looking to build a contender. I'd prefer starting fresh with a young core all around the same age that can develop together.

fredericklove · Post #1163 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:33 pm

Steely Reserve wrote:This board's infatuation with Barnes is just.... weird. He can't do anything except shoot. He's like the small forward version of Bargs except he cant shoot as well.

Why do you want him?

Cmon Steely, infatuation haha? :lol:

I won't put Barnes into 1st pick talk like you blindly did with PJ3, putting your wet dream player into unanimous 1st pick discussion, and calling him once in a decade player LOL :lol:

Umm...let's see, what is it that PJ3 can do except being a soft player, playing passively inconsistently, tweener that still doesn't have a fixed position (PF or SF?) and someone his size with athleticism, hardly go after the glass like a big man would do, avg only 7.9 rebound? He's a 6'11 right? Lol, your loverboy has more red flags than any other prospects in this draft, guys shouldn't need tampon but PJ3 seriously needs one :lol:

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1164 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:33 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:Gilchrist is not our guy. I like him a lot but he's not the one for us. We need a better guy than that. We cannot afford to settle for Gerald Wallace in the Top 5.

I get where you're coming from, but if he turns out to be another Gerald Wallace; yes, we can "settle" for him in the top 5 :lol:

Rapsfan07 · Post #1165 » by **Rapsfan07** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:33 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:Chad Ford Chat today at 1PM

Link to ESPN Chat

Thanks for this.

Homer Jay · Post #1166 » by **Homer Jay** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:36 pm

Steely Reserve wrote:This board's infatuation with Barnes is just.... weird. He can't do anything except shoot. He's like the small forward version of Bargs except he cant shoot as well.

Why do you want him?

Not especially, as we don't need another shooter from the wing. We need someone who can attack the basket at either the two or three. I hope we are not super committed to Demar to the point that we pass up Lamb.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1167 » by **Rapsfan07** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:36 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:Gilchrist is not our guy. I like him a lot but he's not the one for us. We need a better guy than that. We cannot afford to settle for Gerald Wallace in the Top 5.

I get where you're coming from, but if he turns out to be another Gerald Wallace; yes, we can "settle" for him in the top 5

Umm...Not sure if you're being serious?

Do you believe in a draft like this that it would be worthwhile for us to take Gilchirst in the Top 5 if in fact his ceiling really is a Gerald Wallace?

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1168 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:39 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:Gilchrist is not our guy. I like him a lot but he's not the one for us. We need a better guy than that. We cannot afford to settle for Gerald Wallace in the Top 5.

I get where you're coming from, but if he turns out to be another Gerald Wallace; yes, we can "settle" for him in the top 5

Umm...Not sure if you're being serious?

Do you believe in a draft like this that it would be worthwhile for us to take Gilchirst in the Top 5 if in fact his ceiling really is a Gerald Wallace?

I am being serious. What's wrong with Gerald Wallace? Every team in the league can benefit from a Gerald Wallace. The guy is a stat-stuffer, as close to a 5-tool guy you can get in the NBA. If you're guaranteed that MKG would be Gerald Wallace there's nothing wrong with taking him in the top-5 imo.

fredericklove · Post #1169 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:40 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:Gilchrist is not our guy. I like him a lot but he's not the one for us. We need a better guy than that. We cannot afford to settle for Gerald Wallace in the Top 5.

I get where you're coming from, but if he turns out to be another Gerald Wallace; yes, we can "settle" for him in the top 5

That bold part confuses me :-?

If you like him then you prolly wouldn't say that. But yes of cos, a Gerald Wallace is worth 4th or 5th pick :lol:

I like Drummond but he's not the one for us either.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1170 » by **Rapsfan07** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:41 pm

Homer Jay wrote:
Steely Reserve wrote:This board's infatuation with Barnes is just.... weird. He can't do anything except shoot. He's like the small forward version of Bargs except he cant shoot as well.

Why do you want him?

Not especially, as we don't need another shooter from the wing. We need someone who can attack the basket at either the two or three. I hope we are not super committed to Demar to the point that we pass up Lamb.

I agree. That would be bad move. Though I do think Lamb will have a problem attacking the rim in the NBA but his skillset is much more complete than DeMar's that's for sure.

fredericklove · Post #1171 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:41 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:Gilchrist is not our guy. I like him a lot but he's not the one for us. We need a better guy than that. We cannot afford to settle for Gerald Wallace in the Top 5.

I get where you're coming from, but if he turns out to be another Gerald Wallace; yes, we can "settle" for him in the top 5

Umm...Not sure if you're being serious?

Do you believe in a draft like this that it would be worthwhile for us to take Gilchirst in the Top 5 if in fact his ceiling really is a Gerald Wallace?

A Gerald Wallace who can impact the game in so many different ways, absolutely.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1172 » by **Rapsfan07** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:47 pm

fredericklove wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:Gilchrist is not our guy. I like him a lot but he's not the one for us. We need a better guy than that. We cannot afford to settle for Gerald Wallace in the Top 5.

I get where you're coming from, but if he turns out to be another Gerald Wallace; yes, we can "settle" for him in the top 5

That bold part confuses me If you like him then you prolly wouldn't say that. But yes of cos, a Gerald Wallace is worth 4th or 5th pick I like Drummond but he's not the one for us either.

How are you confused by that? I do like Gilchirst. He's a great player. But not in the Top 5. You don't think there's anymore potentially better players you can get in the Top 5 than Gilchrist? I hope you don't believe that. I like Sullinger and Robinson too. They're good players also. But not with a Top 5 pick. That's all I'm trying to say.

Drummond on the other hand... his potential is massive. Much greater then Gilchrist. This is why I'm willing to bet anything that Drummon assuming he declares will go higher then Gilchrist. He's a risk yes but the type of risk that's worth taking. He's a star if he pans out...whereas Gilchrist (if you agree he has a Gerald Wallace type ceiling. will never be more than a 2nd or 3rd banana. Even though he's a good player, we're loaded up on "2nd and 3rd banana" type players and what we need is a guy who will make a difference. A guy we can go to. That's the logic for Drummond over Gilchrist.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1173 » by **Rapsfan07** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:49 pm

fredericklove wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
I get where you're coming from, but if he turns out to be another Gerald Wallace; yes, we can "settle" for him in the top 5

Umm...Not sure if you're being serious?

Do you believe in a draft like this that it would be worthwhile for us to take Gilchirst in the Top 5 if in fact his ceiling really is a Gerald Wallace?

A Gerald Wallace who can impact the game in so many different ways, absolutely.

Wow. Then I've got to say..I'm pretty glad you're not drafting for us. I'd much faster draft Lamb in the Top 5 then Gilchrist. That's just me though.

fredericklove · Post #1174 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:49 pm

Greg Stink wrote:Appreciating his length, are we sure that MKG is tall enough to guard bigger 3s like LeBron, Melo, Durant, Gay, Gallo? He looks to be south of 6'6. Is he a top-5 pick if he can't? I also wonder about his half court offense.

Um, he's known for playing bigger than his size. His game screams SF, he plays aggressive on the glass and capable of defending both the 2 and 3 spot. That part of his game is absolutely never questioned. No scouts ever had problem with his 6'6 size. That shouldn't be a problem. He's not a top 4 pick, but 5th to 9th are probably within his range. He does have problems scoring half court, but you can't expect him to be a 20 point scorer, he's more of a filling up stats across the board type player.

fredericklove · Post #1175 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:54 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:Umm...Not sure if you're being serious?

Do you believe in a draft like this that it would be worthwhile for us to take Gilchirst in the Top 5 if in fact his ceiling really is a Gerald Wallace?

A Gerald Wallace who can impact the game in so many different ways, absolutely.

Wow. Then I've got to say..I'm pretty glad you're not drafting for us. I'd much faster draft Lamb in the Top 5 then Gilchrist. That's just me though.

And I'm glad you're not the one drafting for us either, a Drummond player who might need a 5 year plan or making GMs get fired if he doesn't pan out, I'm pretty sure a lot of posters here will worry from day 1 if we get him. MKG is 5th pick at the most, thus I call it top 5. Of cos Lamb is top 5. He's a 3rd or 4th pick at best. Knowing how some GMs are huge risk-taker, I know Drummond would be drafted 2nd cos of his potential. But I look for him to be inconsistent as advertised, man, talk about a high risk 2nd pick. Very risky and scary.

fredericklove · Post #1176 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:00 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
How are you confused by that? I do like Gilchirst. He's a great player. But not in the Top 5. You don't think there's anymore potentially better players you can get in the Top 5 than Gilchrist? I hope you don't believe that. I like Sullinger and Robinson too. They're good players also. But not with a Top 5 pick. That's all I'm trying to say.

Drummond on the other hand... his potential is massive. Much greater then Gilchrist. This is why I'm willing to bet anything that Drummon assuming he declares will go higher then Gilchrist. He's a risk yes but the type of risk that's worth taking. He's a star if he pans out...whereas Gilchrist (if you agree he has a Gerald Wallace type ceiling. will never be more than a 2nd or 3rd banana. Even though he's a good player, we're loaded up on "2nd and 3rd banana" type players and what we need is a guy who will make a difference. A guy we can go to. That's the logic for Drummond over Gilchrist.

What I meant was top 5 meaning he could be in the talk of going into top 5, probably battle the 5th spot with sully and robinson, the guys you've mentioned. I didn't say he's going to end up drafting 1st or 2nd or 3rd or 4th. At the best, MKG will impact the game, at worst if he doesn't pan out, he won't be the 20 point scorer type but his defense will make impact most. Drummond you never know. If there's a guy who doesn't pan out and you worry most about that, Drummond is the guy, I see him as most worrisome player in the draft, if he doesn't pan out, he'll be literally just like any games we've seen so far, a guy who absolutely goes non-existent in the game.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1177 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:02 pm

The draft is one big guessing game. If I know nothing about Lamb, Barnes, Drummond or Davis, but I am GUARANTEED MKG will be Gerald Wallace of course I pick him. Why risk it when you have the sure thing? It's the same philosophy behind trading a proven player for an unproven draft pick. The player does not always equal the pick in the long run, but one is the sure thing and the other is not.

Post #1178 » by **Rhettmatic** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:03 pm

Chad Ford chat kicking off now:

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/ ... -chad-ford

First half will be NBA questions, then draft stuff.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1179 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:03 pm

Chad Ford's chat has begun http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/ ... -chad-ford

Greg Stink · Post #1180 » by **Greg Stink** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:04 pm

fredericklove wrote:
Greg Stink wrote:Appreciating his length, are we sure that MKG is tall enough to guard bigger 3s like LeBron, Melo, Durant, Gay, Gallo? He looks to be south of 6'6. Is he a top-5 pick if he can't? I also wonder about his half court offense.

Um, he's known for playing bigger than his size. His game screams SF, he plays aggressive on the glass and capable of defending both the 2 and 3 spot. That part of his game is absolutely never questioned. No scouts ever had problem with his 6'6 size. That shouldn't be a problem. He's not a top 4 pick, but 5th to 9th are probably within his range. He does have problems scoring half court, but you can't expect him to be a 20 point scorer, he's more of a filling up stats across the board type player.

I know that it hasn't been widely questioned, that's why I'm doing it. Somebody with a byline will do it soon enough so let's do it first, as usual.

I'm familiar with his college game but I think that the top NBA SFs will be able to post him or shoot over him in face-up situations. Agree that he's still a top 10 but he'd have to be 6'8 with his game for me to take him over guys like Lamb, PJ3, Miller or even Barnes.

Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?