Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[ballercb4]

He's been a little too quiet... I haven't heard him speak once since the season started. That doesn't happen too often.

Hopefully he's figuring out a deal that helps him win back the fans, or he's out.

I have the same feeling he has been to quiet for too long...hence why I started this thread which failed lol

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[Raps in 4]

He's been a little too quiet... I haven't heard him speak once since the season started. That doesn't happen too often.

Hopefully he's figuring out a deal that helps him win back the fans, or he's out.

He's going to break the silence with a big Jonas trade. Jonas for Pau or Amare.

[CoachJReturns]

He's been a little too quiet... I haven't heard him speak once since the season started. That doesn't happen too often.

Hopefully he's figuring out a deal that helps him win back the fans, or he's out.

He's going to break the silence with a big Jonas trade. Jonas for Pau or Amare.

Should I prepare myself for the face palm moment now?

[Raps in 4]

no, but I believe Bosh is the main reason for the delayed development...

The development of who?

Of Raps, since I believe they are on the best development track they can be.
Again, I don't see what any other GM could've done better after Bosh departure (after removing the imaginary 20/20 hindsight glasses).

They could have rebuilt once Bosh left? You know, the stuff successful small market teams do when they lose their star.

[ballercb4]

the real issue here is that we gave away our first round pick...knowing our luck it will come back to bite us in the a$$...doesn't matter if we keep BC or get a new GM we are only going to improve through the draft things must get ugly before they get pretty ...getting a new GM doesn't not equal success or even mean "certain" players will be traded...more has to been done to motivate our team or bring in vets/leadership that will hold players accountable like Oakley did to VC...

[Raps in 4]

the real issue here is that we gave away our first round pick...knowing our luck it will come back to bite us in the a$$...doesn't matter if we keep BC or get a new GM we are only going to improve through the draft things must get ugly before they get pretty ...getting a new GM doesn't not equal success or even mean "certain" players will be traded...more has to been done to motivate our team or bring in vets/leadership that will hold players accountable like Oakley did to VC...

There were rumours swirling that Houston was willing to trade Lowry for our 8th pick last year, but BC rejected the offer because he was busy fellating Nash.

[Phenomenologist]

Please please please stop responding to whoknows. He's deranged. He thinks that Colangelo's tenure here was optimal, i.e. that no one else could have done a better job given the exact same circumstances. Nothing more needs to be said.

[Raps in 4]

Please please please stop responding to whoknows. He's deranged. He thinks that Colangelo's tenure here was optimal, i.e. that no one else could have done a better job given the exact same circumstances. Nothing more needs to be said.

That's the argument of every BC apologist, not just him.

[BD12]

Please please please stop responding to whoknows. He's deranged. He thinks that Colangelo's tenure here was optimal, i.e. that no one else could have done a better job given the exact same circumstances. Nothing more needs to be said.

That's the argument of every BC apologist, not just him.

He's the only BC apologist left...in this thread anyway

[Phenomenologist]

Please please please stop responding to whoknows. He's deranged. He thinks that Colangelo's tenure here was optimal, i.e. that no one else could have done a better job given the exact same circumstances. Nothing more needs to be said.

That's the argument of every BC apologist, not just him.

I disagree -- others tend to have a more measured view, i.e. that he's been imperfect but solid or adequate on the whole...whoknows is the first poster I've seen who actually went so far as to say that a better job couldn't have been done given what BC knew when he knew it. I have ALWAYS disliked Colangelo (ever since the baffling TJ Ford acquisition), so I'm not exactly partial to any pro-BC opinion...but this is just too much.

[STA 13]

Please please please stop responding to whoknows. He's deranged. He thinks that Colangelo's tenure here was optimal, i.e. that no one else could have done a better job given the exact same circumstances. Nothing more needs to be said.

He was probably one of the most delusional Bargs-supporters going back 5 years. I'm shocked he's actually still posting here given just how wrong he's been about....everything

[ballercb4]

Please please please stop responding to whoknows. He's deranged. He thinks that Colangelo's tenure here was optimal, i.e. that no one else could have done a better job given the exact same circumstances. Nothing more needs to be said.

Your calling me deranged for what reason...I guess I am deranged because instead of freaking out I have patience and I see that with our drafts picks we are heading in the right direction? Or is it because I am reserving judgment because I know our first 21 games are going to be brutal...all I care about is the growth of the younger players and I have seen that... the rest is trash... All I said whether BC is here or its another GM we will only get good through draft we have nothing to trade...we are going to lose whether BC is our GM or Not...

my bad sorry guys you guys directed it towards whoknows...

[whoknows]

Please please please stop responding to whoknows. He's deranged. He thinks that Colangelo's tenure here was optimal, i.e. that no one else could have done a better job given the exact same circumstances. Nothing more needs to be said.

Thank you for the kind words, you sir are a gentleman and a scholar...it has been my pleasure trying to debate an unpopular view on this board...

[Raps in 4]

Please please please stop responding to whoknows. He's deranged. He thinks that Colangelo's tenure here was optimal, i.e. that no one else could have done a better job given the exact same circumstances. Nothing more needs to be said.

Your calling me deranged for what reason...I guess I am deranged because instead of freaking out I have patience and I see that with our drafts picks we are heading in the right direction? Or is it because I am reserving judgment because I know our first 21 games are going to be brutal...all I care about is the growth of the younger players and I have seen that... the rest is trash... All I said whether BC is here or its another GM we will only get good through draft we have nothing to trade...we are going to lose whether BC is our GM or Not...

What young players?

Outside of Val, our prospects suck.

[Randle McMurphy]

Deranged isn't a bad word to describe some of these BC apologists. We're almost seven years into this nonsense at this point. I mean, you'd have to be completely blind to reality to not see what's going on right now with this organization.

[ballercb4]

Please please please stop responding to whoknows. He's deranged. He thinks that Colangelo's tenure here was optimal, i.e. that no one else could have done a better job given the exact same circumstances. Nothing more needs to be said.

Your calling me deranged for what reason...I guess I am deranged because instead of freaking out I have patience and I see that with our drafts picks we are heading in the right direction? Or is it because I am reserving judgment because I know our first 21 games are going to be brutal...all I care about is the growth of the younger players and I have seen that... the rest is trash... All I said whether BC is here or its another GM we will only get good through draft we have nothing to trade...we are going to lose whether BC is our GM or Not...

What young players?

Outside of Val, our prospects suck.

Val is the brightest spot...T Ross and Ed seem decent but their playing time is soo sporadic to know for sure...now that I think about it is kind of depressing we don't have much but its still better then nothing...hence why trading our pick away was bad ... "pop open bottle of antidepressants"

[West Rouge]

Deranged isn't a bad word to describe some of these BC apologists. We're almost seven years into this nonsense now. I mean, you'd have to be completely blind to reality to not see what's going on right now with this organization.

If someone was to sell you stock and and it was performing horribly. Would you buy more from the guy because you believe it has to go up sooner or later?

Lets cut our losses and find some winners. BC apologists love being bent over and taking whatever is offered to them

[hillbilly hare]

We're headed to the lottery for the fifth straight season, and we don't even have our draft pick this season. The Raptors have had only a single winning season under Colangelo in 7 years.

If you told yourself 7 years ago that this is what was going to happen, do you think you'd be happy?

The development of who?

Of Raps, since I believe they are on the best development track they can be.
Again, I don't see what any other GM could've done better after Bosh departure (after removing the imaginary 20/20 hindsight glasses).

Point one, Bosh shouldn't have been allowed to walk for nothing. When he didn't commit in 2009 he should've been traded. Like all good GMs do when their stars hum and haw: e.g., as the GMs did with Deron and Melo and CP3 and even Howard to a certain extent. Apart from Clownangelo, the only other GM who didn't trade his star proactively was Ferry with Lebron. The big difference between Lyin' Bryan and Ferry, though, is that Clownangelo is still managing his team while Ferry is not. Simple rule: you do your job well you get rewarded, you do it poorly and you get shown the door.

Point two, what exactly has Clownangelo done so well after Bosh left? Starting in June 2010, the Clown has covered his own rear end by saying that the team was going to "rebuild", which for most good GMs means trading overpaid vets, accumulating draft picks and young prospects in trades, drafting the best prospect available at your slot, not wasting cap space on players who are not or should not be in your medium-term rebuilding plans.

Starting in summer 2010, Clownangelo signed Amir and Kleiza to contracts averaging 10+ million a year. They are solid bench players, 3rd stringers or at best 2nd stringers, maybe 8th and 9th type guys on a good team. What the HELL were they doing on a very bad, young, supposedly rebuilding team? Amir was considered one of the 10 worst signings that summer. The Clown did not acquire any additional draft picks in that draft. He did draft the BPA in Ed Davis, regardless of need, as you're supposed to do. No free agent moves of note. No trades of note.
In 2011, he again drafted the BPA. He again acquired no additional draft picks and did not trade any overpaid vets. No free agent moves of note. No trades of note.
In 2012, things went downhill very fast. The alleged, fake rebuild was thrown overboard. The Clown was actually basing our entire off-season and short-term future on signing Nash! It'd be too comical if it wasn't so depressing. The draft was a mistake: he did not draft BPA, who was Drummond, and he wasted a 2nd round pick. No other picks were acquired. The Fields signing was horrendous. The Lowry trade was good value, but with no other moves made it seems like putting lipstick on a pig. And it costs a first round pick for a "rebuilding team", something that good GMs never do. Extending Demar right away was a mistake. If Demar explodes and becomes a star you sign him at year's end for Batum-type money, like 12M a year, only 1.5 more than now - but you're locked into a star, not a below-average PER player who can't shoot or play defense. No other signings or trades.

You could say that Colangelo has been only bad since the time Bosh left, as opposed to putrid when he traded for Jermaine and signed Hedo. So over the last 5 years he has "improved" from putrid to bad, which at least is an improvement. If he sticks around another 5 years he might work his way up to "non-harmful".

GM options? Any assistant GM from one of the well run teams: OKC, Spurs, etc. For instance, Troy Weaver in OKC.

[Alfred]

Here's all that needs to be said:

-5 straight years in the lottery including this season
-2nd worst record in the league
-We probably lose our pick

[Dr Positivity]

Here's all that needs to be said:

-5 straight years in the lottery including this season
-2nd worst record in the league
-We probably lose our pick

Don't forget "- Horrible long term cap situation"