Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread

[douggood]

gay for Humpries/brooks/22nd pick
Amir for Gooden + 15th (or future lotto protected pick)

[miruss2001]

Here is a "clear the deck" proposal. (x) indicates years remaining on deals.

1. Tor - Wash: Gay (2) Kleiza (1) for Okafor (1); Ariza (1); Vesely (3)
2. Tor - NJ: Bargs (2); Lucas (1) for Humphries (1)
3. Tor - Min: DD (4); Gray (1) for Ridnour (1); Stiemsma (1)
4. Tor - Mil: Fields (2); Lowry (1) for Ellis (1)
all work in the checker.

New Roster:
PG: Ridnour | X
SG: Ellis | Ross
SF: Ariza | Anderson | Vesely
PF: Amir | Humprhies | Acy
C: Val | Oakafor | Stiemsma

Hardly suggesting this team would be anything less than painful to watch, but it fits the bill of expiring deals following next year (only rookie scale deals would remain) and preserves the tank as per TL's suggestion to "compete or tank... don't be in the middle [sic]"

[RapsFanInOhio]

Raptors - Phoenix

Raptors: Bargnani - Ross
Phoenix: Frye - Dudley

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pgc9a8g

I really like this deal.

Lowry/MLE/JL3
DD/Dudley
Gay/Fields
Johnson/Frye
Val/Gray

Some spots to fill, but that's a good start.

[Kibago]

Raptors - Phoenix

Raptors: Bargnani - Ross
Phoenix: Frye - Dudley

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pgc9a8g

I really like this deal.

Lowry/MLE/JL3
DD/Dudley
Gay/Fields
Johnson/Frye
Val/Gray

Some spots to fill, but that's a good start.

This team could win a playoff round.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Any of these work for all parties? I really want a way to get Millsap without changing much of our team. The 1st trade is my favourite.

To TOR: Millsap S&T + Richardson
To UTA: Hawes + Fields + Moultrie + TOR Future 1st
To PHI: Bargnani

To TOR: Millsap S&T
To UTA: Hawes + Allen + TOR Future 1st
To PHI: Bargnani + Cash (TOR)

To TOR: Millsap S&T
To BRK: Bargnani
To UTA: Hump + TOR Future 1st + Cash (BRK)

* BRK can't recieve the S&T'd player (over tax apron by 4 mill)

To TOR: Millsap S&T
To BRK: Boozer
To UTA: Hump + BRK 2014 1st RD Pick + TOR 2015 1st RD Pick
To CHI: Bargnani + Brooks

To TOR: Millsap S&T
To GSW: Bargnani
To UTA: Jefferson + Cash + TOR Future 1st

* saves GSW 2.25 million to re-up Jack with Landry likely moving on this could keep them below tax

I essentially want our roster to be

Kyle Lowry / PG (MLE)
Demar Derozan / Terrence Ross
Rudy Gay / Landry Fields
Paul Millsap / Amir Johnson / Quincy Acy
Jonas Val / Aaron Gray

[DreamTeam09]

^^^

Yes, it looks like me and you might be the only posters on this board with the same vision. I really like the make up of that team. Milsap has to be our number 1 target this FA imho. Utah will be willing to do snt for milsap too because they're tanking for next yr and are probably just looking for picks/prospects + expiring or tpe in return.

Our front court could mix and match so easily leaving 2 good bigs on the floor at all times.

Val + Milsap / Val + Amir / Milsap + Amir

Our wing rotation could mix together easily as well

DD + Rudy / Ross + Rudy / Ross + DD / Ross + Fields / Fields + DD / Fields + Rudy

That team is young with room still left to grow "organically" LOL. That has to be the next move to take if we are keeping this team, if not blow it up and i'll holla back in 3yrs when i'm in my 30s smh...

sign any back up pg that can hit the 3 and run the pnr (Jose / Foye / Agustine)

P.s. another player i'd target is Ryan Anderson, 3pt specialist, good ball iq, 8rbs a game, would open up our whole offence, basically what bargnani should be doing....

[Rapsobsessed7]

^^^

Yes, it looks like me and you might be the only posters on this board with the same vision. I really like the make up of that team. Milsap has to be our number 1 target this FA imho. Utah will be willing to do snt for milsap too because they're tanking for next yr and are probably just looking for picks/prospects + expiring or tpe in return.

Our front court could mix and match so easily leaving 2 good bigs on the floor at all times.

Val + Milsap / Val + Amir / Milsap + Amir

Our wing rotation could mix together easily as well

DD + Rudy / Ross + Rudy / Ross + DD / Ross + Fields / Fields + DD / Fields + Rudy

That team is young with room still left to grow "organically" LOL. That has to be the next move to take if we are keeping this team, if not blow it up and i'll holla back in 3yrs when i'm in my 30s smh...

sign any back up pg that can hit the 3 and run the pnr (Jose / Foye / Agustine)

P.s. another player i'd target is Ryan Anderson, 3pt specialist, good ball iq, 8rbs a game, would open up our whole offence, basically what bargnani should be doing....

I agree. I just think a guy who doesn't command touches but has a more offensive game than Amir is ideal. To me that's Millsap. We can throw it to him in the post if we need a easy bucket and he can space the floor.

I just don't know if our FO would deal another pick. My reasoning for doing so is we would have our "core" for the next 4-5 years. Lowry/Demar/Gay/Millsap/Val would be those guys with Ross being our 6th man (or if he really emerges maybe him/Demar switch spots) & Amir the first big off the bench. That's a solid 7 guys, my FA target would be Augustin like you mentioned. He can hit the 3 and he's playing on a great defensive team right now, id like him as a backup

I also wouldn't be opposed to throwing in Acy to sweeten the pot for someone in order to get Millsap

Kyle Lowry / Dj Augustin
Demar Derozan / Terrence Ross
Rudy Gay / Landry Fields
Paul Millsap / Amir Johnson
Jonas Val / Aaron Gray

Is a promising team in my eyes. I don't want to blow it up. I'm excited to see Rudy play a whole season and push for the playoffs next year.

[Rapsobsessed7]

I came up with another variation to get Millsap which seems to work really well for everyone

To Toronto: Paul Millsap S&T + Brendan Haywood
To Charlotte: Andrea Bargnani + TOR 2015 1st RD Pick
To Utah: Ramon Sessions + Aaron Gray + Quincy Acy

I would strive to make it a 2015 1st. Charlotte already has 2 1st round picks in 2014 so I'd try for a 2015 one (I also really like the draft next year) but I would make it 2014 with some protection on it (say top 12?)

We would get Millsap & a perfect big man to mentor Val, provide experience and be a presence in the playoffs. He also played for Casey before.

Utah grabs a PG for Millsap an gets Acy

Charlotte gets Bargnani, maybe they draft Oldapio to fill their SG spot but regardless even if they draft a guy like Bennett, this deal still makes sense to me. They only take 9.2 million in 2014/2015 and get a 1st out of it. Bargnani would add scoring to a team in need of it. I also think playing in a low pressure market like CHA would be beneficial to Andrea. They also promised their season ticket holders they would spend money

Off-season Plan:
- amnesty Linas Kleiza (gets us under tax)
- decline Lucas' TO
- Sign Dj Augustin (part of MLE)
- fill out roster with minimum veteran guys

Kyle Lowry / Dj Augustin
Demar Derozan / Terrence Ross
Rudy Gay / Landry Fields
Paul Millsap / Amir Johnson
Jonas Val / Brendan Haywood

Is a solid team that I believe would make noise in the postseason.

[MikeM]

Any of these work for all parties? I really want a way to get Millsap without changing much of our team. The 1st trade is my favourite.

To TOR: Millsap S&T + Richardson
To UTA: Hawes + Fields + Moultrie + TOR Future 1st
To PHI: Bargnani

To TOR: Millsap S&T
To UTA: Hawes + Allen + TOR Future 1st
To PHI: Bargnani + Cash (TOR)

To TOR: Millsap S&T
To BRK: Bargnani
To UTA: Hump + TOR Future 1st + Cash (BRK)

* BRK can't recieve the S&T'd player (over tax apron by 4 mill)

To TOR: Millsap S&T
To BRK: Boozer
To UTA: Hump + BRK 2014 1st RD Pick + TOR 2015 1st RD Pick
To CHI: Bargnani + Brooks

To TOR: Millsap S&T
To GSW: Bargnani
To UTA: Jefferson + Cash + TOR Future 1st

* saves GSW 2.25 million to re-up Jack with Landry likely moving on this could keep them below tax

I essentially want our roster to be

Kyle Lowry / PG (MLE)
Demar Derozan / Terrence Ross
Rudy Gay / Landry Fields
Paul Millsap / Amir Johnson / Quincy Acy
Jonas Val / Aaron Gray

I'm in exact agreement with this thinking. I'd also try to upgrade Gray to a better big body. And try to add a pure shooter somewhere in the backcourt. Maybe Morrow could be had for cheap.

[Rapsfan07]

This team squeezes its way into the playoffs. I'd much rather blow it up and tank for Wiggins or Parker but whatever.

I'm not willing to deal any future picks for anybody. I think it's time we start valuing picks and build a real team instead of using them to buy band-aids.

We traded a future first (HIbbert) for JO to try and make the playoffs and look how that turned out.
We traded a future first (Val) for Marion to try and make the playoffs and look how that turned out.
We traded a future first (?) for Lowry to try and make the playoffs and look how that turned out.

Now we want to trade another future first for Millsap? I'm a huge fan but he wasn't that impressive in the playoffs. Every time we trade picks for vets in an attempt to get better, we a) trade away a good player and b) fail to accomplish our goal of moving into the playoffs. And all that JUST to get in and likely be a first round fodder. And it's only because Bosh happened to choose Miami why we got Val back...1 in 29 chances of that happening and we got lucky.

It's time to stop trading picks and draft our way to a good team. Wiz are doing it, Cavs are doing it and their getting great pieces while we are satisfied with being middle of the pack.

[Rapsobsessed7]

This team squeezes its way into the playoffs. I'd much rather blow it up and tank for Wiggins or Parker but whatever.

I'm not willing to deal any future picks for anybody. I think it's time we start valuing picks and build a real team instead of using them to buy band-aids.

We traded a future first (HIbbert) for JO to try and make the playoffs and look how that turned out.
We traded a future first (Val) for Marion to try and make the playoffs and look how that turned out.
We traded a future first (?) for Lowry to try and make the playoffs and look how that turned out.

Now we want to trade another future first for Millsap? I'm a huge fan but he wasn't that impressive in the playoffs. Every time we trade picks for vets in an attempt to get better, we a) trade away a good player and b) fail to accomplish our goal of moving into the playoffs. And all that JUST to get in and likely be a first round fodder. And it's only because Bosh happened to choose Miami why we got Val back...1 in 29 chances of that happening and we got lucky.

It's time to stop trading picks and draft our way to a good team. Wiz are doing it, Cavs are doing it and their getting great pieces while we are satisfied with being middle of the pack.

Millsap in 2008/2009 - 12 PPG, 8 RPG, 51% FG%, 1BPG
Millsap in 2009/2010 - 18 PPG, 9 RPG, 57% FG%, 1.4 BPG
Millsap in 2011/2012 - 12 PPG, 11 RPG, 37% FG%, 2.5 BPG

thats pretty damn good at the PF spot, Millsap isnt a #1 option, he isnt a superstar but hes the perfect compliment for our group. The difference between Marion & JO and this trade is that i view Millsap as a "core" piece. JO was what, 31 years old? The Marion trade was made in order to compliment the starting group as Bargnani started to emerge beside Bosh and we needed a SF. Marion too was over 30 but still was productive as a trade. I do see your point but the difference is i think a lineup of Lowry/Derozan/Gay/Millsap/Val has potential to go past the 1st round. If we make the playoffs that pick becomes likely late teens-mid twenties, im ok with giving that up one year for a core piece. Lowry i view as a core piece also, im not ok with doing win now moves where you give up picks for aging veterans 30+.

[Rapsfan07]

This team squeezes its way into the playoffs. I'd much rather blow it up and tank for Wiggins or Parker but whatever.

I'm not willing to deal any future picks for anybody. I think it's time we start valuing picks and build a real team instead of using them to buy band-aids.

We traded a future first (HIbbert) for JO to try and make the playoffs and look how that turned out.
We traded a future first (Val) for Marion to try and make the playoffs and look how that turned out.
We traded a future first (?) for Lowry to try and make the playoffs and look how that turned out.

Now we want to trade another future first for Millsap? I'm a huge fan but he wasn't that impressive in the playoffs. Every time we trade picks for vets in an attempt to get better, we a) trade away a good player and b) fail to accomplish our goal of moving into the playoffs. And all that JUST to get in and likely be a first round fodder. And it's only because Bosh happened to choose Miami why we got Val back...1 in 29 chances of that happening and we got lucky.

It's time to stop trading picks and draft our way to a good team. Wiz are doing it, Cavs are doing it and their getting great pieces while we are satisfied with being middle of the pack.

Millsap in 2008/2009 - 12 PPG, 8 RPG, 51% FG%, 1BPG
Millsap in 2009/2010 - 18 PPG, 9 RPG, 57% FG%, 1.4 BPG
Millsap in 2011/2012 - 12 PPG, 11 RPG, 37% FG%, 2.5 BPG

thats pretty damn good at the PF spot, Millsap isnt a #1 option, he isnt a superstar but hes the perfect compliment for our group. The difference between Marion & JO and this trade is that i view Millsap as a "core" piece. JO was what, 31 years old? The Marion trade was made in order to compliment the starting group as Bargnani started to emerge beside Bosh and we needed a SF. Marion too was over 30 but still was productive as a trade. I do see your point but the difference is i think a lineup of Lowry/Derozan/Gay/Millsap/Val has potential to go past the 1st round. If we make the playoffs that pick becomes likely late teens-mid twenties, im ok with giving that up one year for a core piece. Lowry i view as a core piece also, im not ok with doing win now moves where you give up picks for aging veterans 30+.

Trust me, I know. I'm a huge Millsap fan and I agree that he'd be the perfect compliment to the group. I think the bench would also needed to upgraded further though and with the amount of dead weight deals we have on the bench (Bargnani, Fields and Kleiza), it won't be an easy task if it's even possible to begin with.

All that said, next year's draft looks to have more than one franchise changer. I want to win. but I don't want to be stuck. And that's what's going to happen to this team. We'll be stuck in the first round and MAYBE sneak into the second round.

But why do that when we can draft a centerpiece, a corner stone in Wiggins or Parker? It's like that "winning culture" BS we keep getting fed. We're going to have a "winning culture" while Washington gets or Detroit gets to trot out line ups of Wall, Beal, Wiggins or Knight, Shabazz, Parker, Monroe and Drummond respectfully.

Which situation would you rather?

[Zeno]

How about Bargs and Ross for Marcus Thornton, Chuck Hayes and #7.

Then hopefully Bennett or perhaps Trey Burke falls to 7.

[Rapsobsessed7]

This team squeezes its way into the playoffs. I'd much rather blow it up and tank for Wiggins or Parker but whatever.

I'm not willing to deal any future picks for anybody. I think it's time we start valuing picks and build a real team instead of using them to buy band-aids.

We traded a future first (HIbbert) for JO to try and make the playoffs and look how that turned out.
We traded a future first (Val) for Marion to try and make the playoffs and look how that turned out.
We traded a future first (?) for Lowry to try and make the playoffs and look how that turned out.

Now we want to trade another future first for Millsap? I'm a huge fan but he wasn't that impressive in the playoffs. Every time we trade picks for vets in an attempt to get better, we a) trade away a good player and b) fail to accomplish our goal of moving into the playoffs. And all that JUST to get in and likely be a first round fodder. And it's only because Bosh happened to choose Miami why we got Val back...1 in 29 chances of that happening and we got lucky.

It's time to stop trading picks and draft our way to a good team. Wiz are doing it, Cavs are doing it and their getting great pieces while we are satisfied with being middle of the pack.

Millsap in 2008/2009 - 12 PPG, 8 RPG, 51% FG%, 1BPG
Millsap in 2009/2010 - 18 PPG, 9 RPG, 57% FG%, 1.4 BPG
Millsap in 2011/2012 - 12 PPG, 11 RPG, 37% FG%, 2.5 BPG

thats pretty damn good at the PF spot, Millsap isnt a #1 option, he isnt a superstar but hes the perfect compliment for our group. The difference between Marion & JO and this trade is that i view Millsap as a "core" piece. JO was what, 31 years old? The Marion trade was made in order to compliment the starting group as Bargnani started to emerge beside Bosh and we needed a SF. Marion too was over 30 but still was productive as a trade. I do see your point but the difference is i think a lineup of Lowry/Derozan/Gay/Millsap/Val has potential to go past the 1st round. If we make the playoffs that pick becomes likely late teens-mid twenties, im ok with giving that up one year for a core piece. Lowry i view as a core piece also, im not ok with doing win now moves where you give up picks for aging veterans 30+.

Trust me, I know. I'm a huge Millsap fan and I agree that he'd be the perfect compliment to the group. I think the bench would also needed to upgraded further though and with the amount of dead weight deals we have on the bench (Bargnani, Fields and Kleiza), it won't be an easy task if it's even possible to begin with.

All that said, next year's draft looks to have more than one franchise changer. I want to win. but I don't want to be stuck. And that's what's going to happen to this team. We'll be stuck in the first round and MAYBE sneak into the second round.

But why do that when we can draft a centerpiece, a corner stone in Wiggins or Parker? It's like that "winning culture" BS we keep getting fed. We're going to have a "winning culture" while Washington gets or Detroit gets to trot out line ups of Wall, Beal, Wiggins or Knight, Shabazz, Parker, Monroe and Drummond respectfully.

Which situation would you rather?

a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. That saying applies in your above scenario. Look its nice to want to tank to get Wiggins or Parker but the worst team has only won the lottery 4 times. The chances of us actually getting them are slim, its nice to build all these dream lineups including Wiggins but theres a much higher chance we DONT get him than do if we were to tank. Also do you really think MLSE is going to blow it up to even get us remotely close to being one of the worst teams in the league? That means shipping off Derozan, Gay, Lowry, etc. It wont happen, the Raptors in Toronto will lose any shred of relevance they have left. MLSE will want to make the playoffs next year and frankly the team should be a playoff contender next season.

The addition of Millsap will only strengthen the team and the core. The deadweight you list on the bench i plan to get rid of (see my Charlotte trade for example) and run with a...

Lowry / PG (Augustin?)
Derozan / Ross
Gay / Fields
Millsap / Amir
Val / C

that lineup looks really balanced. You amnesty Kleiza (i know its not the popular move because hes an expiring but saving money to remain under the tax is huge) and look to fill out the bench with the MLE. I would decline Lucas' TO and save another 1.5 million (frankly you can find a minimum PG who can do what he does) and we would have a team that has a chance to compete in the playoffs and remain below luxury tax. Basically a MLSE dream scenario.

[hillbilly hare]

How about Bargs and Ross for Marcus Thornton, Chuck Hayes and #7.

Then hopefully Bennett or perhaps Trey Burke falls to 7.

Not bad. Especially if we could pull off a sign and trade of Demar for Millsap.

I think Thornton is an underrated starter, though less effective as a 6th man off the bench. Good scorer and pretty efficient too. As a starter a top 10 PER guy at SG. Not much D, but then again, Demar is not on the court for his D either. Think: a mini Kevin Martin? His outside scoring might be a better fit beside Gay than Demar is. Have Rudy playing closer to and attacking the basket, and putting a cork in the long distance bombs.

Hayes could be our new Rasho.

Would Utah have any interest in a Demar for Millsap sign and trade, if they were sure Millsap was leaving? i.e. get at least something in return?

If the new GM doesn't blow things up, Millsap + Thornton + the guy you pick at 7 is a solid haul for a team wanting to be a playoff team for the next 2 seasons.

And don't count Geoff Petrie out. He's the guy who turned the 7th pick in the 2011 draft (Klay Thompson, Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight still on the board) into Jimmer Fredette and John Salmons. Petrie's probably the only long-serving GM who's been worse than Colangelo over the last 7 years.

Get 'er done New Guy!

[Massamba]

Would you agree if the raptors trade one of them for the first pick?

[sanity]

Yes, but can they? No.

[vini_vidi_vici]

Should they? Yes.

Would they? Yes.

Could it happen? No.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I think they should entertain the idea of trading either for a draft pick, yes. I'm not sure it will net the first overall pick though.

[T-d0t]

We traded for Gay last year and signed Derozan to a contract just to trade them in then following offseason? Doesnt make sense.,.