With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[ash_k]

It's honestly because I don't see the level of a Draymond's scorer as especially hard to surpass at the bare minimum.


Draymond as a scorer.

8.8 PTS on 43.6% FG/ 31.6% 3FG /71.5% FT career thus far.

If Draymond averages 11-15 pts on 45/31/70 for his career to go along with what else he does, he'd be a better version of himself but nowhere near close to the likes of Magic still.

I just think Barnes physical advantages gives him the higher floor scoring wise.

until the day I see Draymond covering point guards and shooting guards fulltime, I would not compare Barnes to him. I have never seen a lineup with Draymond listed as a small forward, it has always been as a PF "or a C".
While Barnes is built and listed as a Small Forward.
Outside of Ben Simmons, I cant quite see another player in the same mold able to cover Point guards and Shooting guard and 3s/4s and some 5s. Your defense determines the position you can play.

Prime Draymond was guarding 1-5. He's just best positioned to guard 3-5 because Klay was a monster in his own right in perimeter defense.

Draymond's peak was being a DPOY while giving you 14 points, 8 assist and 10 rebounds a game. A rich man's version of that version of Draymond is upper echelon imo. If were using career stats than of course it isn't the best comparison.

Let's not mix defensive switching with straight up matchup defense. Prime Draymond was never going into a game with the Westbrook/TOP PG/TOP SG assignment . He was not even getting the LeBron assignment, Iggy was. His DPOY was much more based on interior defense and his help on the perimeter, while Ben Simmons is the opposite.
if a rich man Draymond means not being left Wide open on 3 then I fully agree with you. Prime Dray is 14.0|9.5|7.4! sign me up yesterday if Barnes can do those numbers.

[tecumseh18]

i was a huge suggs guy, but one thing i will say is he doesnt come across as authentic, like hes trying be a brand too much in a way

Well put. Let's call it "A-Rod-esque".

[HumbleRen]

until the day I see Draymond covering point guards and shooting guards fulltime, I would not compare Barnes to him. I have never seen a lineup with Draymond listed as a small forward, it has always been as a PF "or a C".
While Barnes is built and listed as a Small Forward.
Outside of Ben Simmons, I cant quite see another player in the same mold able to cover Point guards and Shooting guard and 3s/4s and some 5s. Your defense determines the position you can play.

Prime Draymond was guarding 1-5. He's just best positioned to guard 3-5 because Klay was a monster in his own right in perimeter defense.

Draymond's peak was being a DPOY while giving you 14 points, 8 assist and 10 rebounds a game. A rich man's version of that version of Draymond is upper echelon imo. If were using career stats than of course it isn't the best comparison.

Let's not mix defensive switching with straight up matchup defense. Prime Draymond was never going to game into a game with the Westbrook/TOP PG/TOP SG assignment . He was not even getting the LeBron assignment, Iggy was. His DPOY was much more based on interior defense and his help on the perimeter, while Ben Simmons is the opposite.
if a rich man Draymond means not being left Wide open on 3 then I fully agree with you. Prime Dray is 14.0|9.5|7.4! sign me up yesterday if Barnes can do those numbers.

We'll have to see what Scottie is defense wise, I don't see him guarding 1's or 2's in the NBA for what it's worth. I don't think he's better than OG at perimeter defense as well, doesn't have the lateral foot speed for it.

I think he ends up being more of a Draymond or Lebron type of defender. Disrupting the passing lanes with his length and being the vocal leader on defense.

[ash_k]

Prime Draymond was guarding 1-5. He's just best positioned to guard 3-5 because Klay was a monster in his own right in perimeter defense.

Draymond's peak was being a DPOY while giving you 14 points, 8 assist and 10 rebounds a game. A rich man's version of that version of Draymond is upper echelon imo. If were using career stats than of course it isn't the best comparison.

Let's not mix defensive switching with straight up matchup defense. Prime Draymond was never going to game into a game with the Westbrook/TOP PG/TOP SG assignment . He was not even getting the LeBron assignment, Iggy was. His DPOY was much more based on interior defense and his help on the perimeter, while Ben Simmons is the opposite.
if a rich man Draymond means not being left Wide open on 3 then I fully agree with you. Prime Dray is 14.0|9.5|7.4! sign me up yesterday if Barnes can do those numbers.

We'll have to see what Scottie is defense wise, I don't see him guarding 1's or 2's in the NBA for what it's worth. I don't think he's better than OG at perimeter defense as well, doesn't have the lateral foot speed for it.

I think he ends up being more of a Draymond or Lebron type of defender. Disrupting the passing lanes with his length and being the vocal leader on defense.

Interesting cause with his lateral Agility; I fully expect him to guard 1s and 2s. OG is just quick&physical, while Barnes is more finesse &agility. I would be totally shocked if Scottie cant guard 1s and 2s. Ultimately, as long as he becomes that electrifying defender, I am all in!

[HumbleRen]

Let's not mix defensive switching with straight up matchup defense. Prime Draymond was never going to game into a game with the Westbrook/TOP PG/TOP SG assignment . He was not even getting the LeBron assignment, Iggy was. His DPOY was much more based on interior defense and his help on the perimeter, while Ben Simmons is the opposite.
if a rich man Draymond means not being left Wide open on 3 then I fully agree with you. Prime Dray is 14.0|9.5|7.4! sign me up yesterday if Barnes can do those numbers.

We'll have to see what Scottie is defense wise, I don't see him guarding 1's or 2's in the NBA for what it's worth. I don't think he's better than OG at perimeter defense as well, doesn't have the lateral foot speed for it.

I think he ends up being more of a Draymond or Lebron type of defender. Disrupting the passing lanes with his length and being the vocal leader on defense.

Interesting cause with his lateral Agility; I fully expect him to guard 1s and 2s. OG is just quick&physical, while Barnes is more finesse &agility. I would be totally shocked if Scottie cant guard 1s and 2s. Ultimately, as long as he becomes that electrifying defender, I am all in!

Would love to see him prove me wrong but we’ll see !

[Reeko]

Let's not mix defensive switching with straight up matchup defense. Prime Draymond was never going to game into a game with the Westbrook/TOP PG/TOP SG assignment . He was not even getting the LeBron assignment, Iggy was. His DPOY was much more based on interior defense and his help on the perimeter, while Ben Simmons is the opposite.
if a rich man Draymond means not being left Wide open on 3 then I fully agree with you. Prime Dray is 14.0|9.5|7.4! sign me up yesterday if Barnes can do those numbers.

I think guards will be able to get by him initially but he’s quick enough and long enough to recover and block them while trailing.

We'll have to see what Scottie is defense wise, I don't see him guarding 1's or 2's in the NBA for what it's worth. I don't think he's better than OG at perimeter defense as well, doesn't have the lateral foot speed for it.

I think he ends up being more of a Draymond or Lebron type of defender. Disrupting the passing lanes with his length and being the vocal leader on defense.

Interesting cause with his lateral Agility; I fully expect him to guard 1s and 2s. OG is just quick&physical, while Barnes is more finesse &agility. I would be totally shocked if Scottie cant guard 1s and 2s. Ultimately, as long as he becomes that electrifying defender, I am all in!

[HumbleRen]

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[ash_k]

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OG has that 20-pt scorer look, no doubt about it!

[Jcity08]

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OG has that 20-pt scorer look, no doubt about it!

Eyes of a killer.

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[whitehops]

Interesting cause with his lateral Agility; I fully expect him to guard 1s and 2s. OG is just quick&physical, while Barnes is more finesse &agility. I would be totally shocked if Scottie cant guard 1s and 2s. Ultimately, as long as he becomes that electrifying defender, I am all in!

he tried guarding 1's in summer league and they absolutely blew by him.

it's a positive on one hand: he wants to be that kind of versatile defender. he will need to work on it because he won't be successful at that day 1.

[Reeko]

Interesting cause with his lateral Agility; I fully expect him to guard 1s and 2s. OG is just quick&physical, while Barnes is more finesse &agility. I would be totally shocked if Scottie cant guard 1s and 2s. Ultimately, as long as he becomes that electrifying defender, I am all in!

he tried guarding 1's in summer league and they absolutely blew by him.

it's a positive on one hand: he wants to be that kind of versatile defender. he will need to work on it because he won't be successful at that day 1.

That's not what I saw. There were times in summer league where he didn't look engaged and that would happen, but whenever he was locked in the smaller guards were either getting stripped, blocked or forced to pass.

[ash_k]

Interesting cause with his lateral Agility; I fully expect him to guard 1s and 2s. OG is just quick&physical, while Barnes is more finesse &agility. I would be totally shocked if Scottie cant guard 1s and 2s. Ultimately, as long as he becomes that electrifying defender, I am all in!

he tried guarding 1's in summer league and they absolutely blew by him.

it's a positive on one hand: he wants to be that kind of versatile defender. he will need to work on it because he won't be successful at that day 1.

That's not what I saw. There were times in summer league where he didn't look engaged and that would happen, but whenever he was locked in the smaller guards were either getting stripped, blocked or forced to pass.

plus those summer runs highlights don't lie: We saw how effective his agility can be defending high-level NBA perimeter players

[HumbleRen]

he tried guarding 1's in summer league and they absolutely blew by him.

it's a positive on one hand: he wants to be that kind of versatile defender. he will need to work on it because he won't be successful at that day 1.

That's not what I saw. There were times in summer league where he didn't look engaged and that would happen, but whenever he was locked in the smaller guards were either getting stripped, blocked or forced to pass.

plus those summer runs highlights don't lie: We saw how effective his agility can be defending high-level NBA perimeter players

Summer runs and the NBA environment is completely different.

He can switch from 1-5 but his primary position won’t be guarding 1’s or 2’s.

[ash_k]

That's not what I saw. There were times in summer league where he didn't look engaged and that would happen, but whenever he was locked in the smaller guards were either getting stripped, blocked or forced to pass.

plus those summer runs highlights don't lie: We saw how effective his agility can be defending high-level NBA perimeter players

Summer runs and the NBA environment is completely different.

He can switch from 1-5 but his primary position won’t be guarding 1’s or 2’s.

It is about physical ability: If a 6'9 player can keep up with a elite 6'1 players there one-on-one, then he can keep up with 6'1 players anywhere. Players use their best moves in those runs.

[Madhouse]

I think I know what he meant. Saw that in college with Scottie at times, too. But I think this is more a consistency problem and not ability. And he needs to work around screens better. But I think this will improve over time and the question is how many point guards will he guard anyway? I could see him do it by year 3 or 4.

[Clay Davis]

Interesting cause with his lateral Agility; I fully expect him to guard 1s and 2s. OG is just quick&physical, while Barnes is more finesse &agility. I would be totally shocked if Scottie cant guard 1s and 2s. Ultimately, as long as he becomes that electrifying defender, I am all in!

he tried guarding 1's in summer league and they absolutely blew by him.

it's a positive on one hand: he wants to be that kind of versatile defender. he will need to work on it because he won't be successful at that day 1.

Lots of great wing defenders struggle with keeping up with NBA calibre guards. Kawhi for instance, even at his best would. He remained a threat by never giving up on the possession.

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[Jcity08]

As long as Barnes isnt a liability switching on 1s and 2s, I dont care if he primarily guards 3/4/5's.

[Reeko]

All that I'm fairly certain of is that none of these other teams are going to have fun being guarded by a lineup of Fred, OG, Scottie, Pascal and Precious. They won't be great offensively, but that perimeter defense with Precious acting as a rim protector and Nurse scheming, a lot of stars are going to have very bad nights.

[tecumseh18]

Interesting cause with his lateral Agility; I fully expect him to guard 1s and 2s. OG is just quick&physical, while Barnes is more finesse &agility. I would be totally shocked if Scottie cant guard 1s and 2s. Ultimately, as long as he becomes that electrifying defender, I am all in!

he tried guarding 1's in summer league and they absolutely blew by him.

it's a positive on one hand: he wants to be that kind of versatile defender. he will need to work on it because he won't be successful at that day 1.

Who is Cade guarding? Not being sarcastic, just wondering what his position will be. 2 guard?