2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[NotMyKawhi]

barnes, GTJ, boucher, 3 1sts for Giannis

[Madhouse]

[Ell Curry]

Their salaries are very similar, except that Gordon has another year (and an additional team option after that). So Houston could take on Dragic (and maybe Flynn and a 2nd if they wanted), and then buy him out and he could sign with a contender. Then Houston would have cap space and flexibility, and take about $19 million off their books for next year when they're clearly not going to compete anyway. Meanwhile the Raps get a good shooter, passable defender, and decent facilitator to help the bench in those minutes when Fred sits for this year and next.

It poses a bit of a cap challenge;
For the moment lets play with the Dragic and Gordan salary numbers because any ballast would likely be negligible (2m-ish)

Dragic + Anyone for Gordan opens up a bit more daylight between us and the tax threshold.
Therefore if we wanted to keep DJ Wilson it provides us a path toward that.

Where it becomes complex is July 1st;
Assuming we allow Boucher and all other FAs to expire w/ Gordan we are at 125m in committed salary for next season;
If you opt to keep Yuta or Boucher you are now likely over or near the 136m luxury tax line.

This is before you sign your FRP, Lets assume we are drafting between 10 and 20 you have somewhere between 2.2 and 3.6m for that.
Then any use of your exemptions puts you well into the tax.

Gordan certainly helps us today;
But that contract becomes complication to manage if we want to do anything in the offseason.

I guess ideally a Gordon for Dragic trade also sees us do something like Birch + Flynn for an expiring like Tristan Thompson if some team needs to save a million immediately and we can somehow still sneak under.

I didn't realize Gordon's entire final year will be unguaranteed unless he makes a title or all-star team. Wouldn't give up a first for him but maybe a swap with the pick they have from Miami and a 2nd and Flynn is competitive? Probably more realistic if we just commit to Precious/Champagnie/Banton/Bich minutes and deal Boucher to a 3rd team that sends Houston something, but if we're trading Boucher we're less likely to win a playoff series which is why we'd commit money and assets to getting Gordon.

So yeah, I don't really see this going down unless the Rockets are desperate to cut money. They are at 124 next year before making a top 3 pick so they'll be right up against the tax next year but you gotta assume they can get 3-4M by buying out Wall or shed Theis or Nwaba by giving up a 2nd instead of settling for no firsts for Gordon.

Reddish seems to be the first domino who dropped from the many, many guys who I think are worth more than 2 2nd rounder but less than even a lotto protected first. I'm always surprised we don't see more pick swaps like the Grizz did this summer to move JV. Pels moved down 7 picks in the first and 11 in the 2nd to go from Adams to JV.

[Zeno]

Personally, I’d consider THT, Nunn and 2027 1st in return. I still think THT has a lot of promise and Nunn could be our backup point off the bench assuming he’s healthy. You could flip that Lakers Pick, our protected 1st, Malachi to Indy for Turner maybe?
Go even bigger.
Turner
Pascal
Barnes
OG
Fred

Birch
Precious
Boucher
THT
Nunn

Maybe I’m just getting getting seduced by the deadline. Still like THT though.

[isyed]

What is dort going to cost as a free agent next year? I don't think he is restricted but does a full 5 year mle work for him? Something like 5 year 60 mill? He fits our culture of defence first and if barnes is going to be our future star dort adds more toughness and defence plus his shooting game is improving. Him beside fvv would be crazy defence.

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[Ell Curry]

Wonder if Quickley could be available for the Knicks to shed some money next year? He's a potentially nice fit as a backup to Fred with Barnes and Siakam actually handling the ball and him just defending and hitting 3s.

Dragic, Svi, Bonga and a 2nd rounder for Noel, Kemba and Quickley gets us out of the tax this year but if Shams is right that it's at 145 next year we'd only have about 7 or 8M to bring back Boucher, though that's getting close to what his number should be. Knicks save like 18M next year and are one Fournier/Rose dump away from having meaningful cap space to find a proper PG to go with Reddish-Barrett-Randle-Robinson as a starting 5 with one of Rose or Fournier staying to anchor the bench scoring.

Kemba or Noel might even have some use here in that we don't have a PG for nights Van Vleet misses or a rim running 5 who can provide some defensive play. Ideally though one of Kemba or Noel goes to a 3rd team who sends us like 5M useless contract this year and 5M useless the next (like Harkless and Len from Sacramento) so we can keep Boucher and Yuta and just stay under the tax next year too.

[Spida888]

What is dort going to cost as a free agent next year? I don't think he is restricted but does a full 5 year mle work for him? Something like 5 year 60 mill? He fits our culture of defence first and if barnes is going to be our future star dort adds more toughness and defence plus his shooting game is improving. Him beside fvv would be crazy defence.

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Yeah he would be awesome on our team. I would think he may net more than that but we will see.

He will be a UFA in a couple of seasons I believe. Next season is a team option and OKC will certainly opt-in.

[Butch_Coolidge]

Their salaries are very similar, except that Gordon has another year (and an additional team option after that). So Houston could take on Dragic (and maybe Flynn and a 2nd if they wanted), and then buy him out and he could sign with a contender. Then Houston would have cap space and flexibility, and take about $19 million off their books for next year when they're clearly not going to compete anyway. Meanwhile the Raps get a good shooter, passable defender, and decent facilitator to help the bench in those minutes when Fred sits for this year and next.

It poses a bit of a cap challenge;
For the moment lets play with the Dragic and Gordan salary numbers because any ballast would likely be negligible (2m-ish)

Dragic + Anyone for Gordan opens up a bit more daylight between us and the tax threshold.
Therefore if we wanted to keep DJ Wilson it provides us a path toward that.

Where it becomes complex is July 1st;
Assuming we allow Boucher and all other FAs to expire w/ Gordan we are at 125m in committed salary for next season;
If you opt to keep Yuta or Boucher you are now likely over or near the 136m luxury tax line.

This is before you sign your FRP, Lets assume we are drafting between 10 and 20 you have somewhere between 2.2 and 3.6m for that.
Then any use of your exemptions puts you well into the tax.

Gordan certainly helps us today;
But that contract becomes complication to manage if we want to do anything in the offseason.

I guess ideally a Gordon for Dragic trade also sees us do something like Birch + Flynn for an expiring like Tristan Thompson if some team needs to save a million immediately and we can somehow still sneak under.

I didn't realize Gordon's entire final year will be unguaranteed unless he makes a title or all-star team. Wouldn't give up a first for him but maybe a swap with the pick they have from Miami and a 2nd and Flynn is competitive? Probably more realistic if we just commit to Precious/Champagnie/Banton/Bich minutes and deal Boucher to a 3rd team that sends Houston something, but if we're trading Boucher we're less likely to win a playoff series which is why we'd commit money and assets to getting Gordon.

So yeah, I don't really see this going down unless the Rockets are desperate to cut money. They are at 124 next year before making a top 3 pick so they'll be right up against the tax next year but you gotta assume they can get 3-4M by buying out Wall or shed Theis or Nwaba by giving up a 2nd instead of settling for no firsts for Gordon.

Reddish seems to be the first domino who dropped from the many, many guys who I think are worth more than 2 2nd rounder but less than even a lotto protected first. I'm always surprised we don't see more pick swaps like the Grizz did this summer to move JV. Pels moved down 7 picks in the first and 11 in the 2nd to go from Adams to JV.

This is a good take on the current landscape of the team

[Van_Trump]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952421-latest-nba-trade-intel-how-will-dame-lillard-surgery-impact-ben-simmons-market

Lots of speculation, maybe a little intel.

[Ell Curry]

What is dort going to cost as a free agent next year? I don't think he is restricted but does a full 5 year mle work for him? Something like 5 year 60 mill? He fits our culture of defence first and if barnes is going to be our future star dort adds more toughness and defence plus his shooting game is improving. Him beside fvv would be crazy defence.

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I assume the Thunder will max him (55/4) because they'd still only be at about 75M spend after using their first rounders and having cap space to spend on a player or two to join SGA, Dort, Giddey, Robinson-Earl and their 2022 and 2023 first rounders. They're not the type of franchise to need 2 max level spots so I think they'll offer Dort the extension and he'll take it because it's 55M bucks and he's only made like 5M so far so why not set yourself for life. Still get to be a UFA at 27 and leave if the team is a mess, and they'll probably be really good anyways with SGA and Giddey and 2 top 15 picks (might even be top 10 the way the Clippers are trending) this year to go with their army of future picks they can trade for a star. In 2024 they have the Rockets pick if it falls outside the top 4, their own and the Clippers unprotected. That might be 3 top 10 picks.

So yeah, in theory he'd be a nice signing for the MLE and could force his way out if the Thunder want to keep him for cheap for another year instead of making him an RFA, but in practice he'll surely stay there.

[Rapsfan07]

Personally, I’d consider THT, Nunn and 2027 1st in return. I still think THT has a lot of promise and Nunn could be our backup point off the bench assuming he’s healthy. You could flip that Lakers Pick, our protected 1st, Malachi to Indy for Turner maybe?
Go even bigger.
Turner
Pascal
Barnes
OG
Fred

Birch
Precious
Boucher
THT
Nunn

Maybe I’m just getting getting seduced by the deadline. Still like THT though.

Don't see the point of acquiring THT. We already have Trent who is locked up to what's looking like a bargain deal. Unless there's some bigger movement happening, there's no reason for us to pursue THT.

What is dort going to cost as a free agent next year? I don't think he is restricted but does a full 5 year mle work for him? Something like 5 year 60 mill? He fits our culture of defence first and if barnes is going to be our future star dort adds more toughness and defence plus his shooting game is improving. Him beside fvv would be crazy defence.

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Yeah he would be awesome on our team. I would think he may net more than that but we will see.

He will be a UFA in a couple of seasons I believe. Next season is a team option and OKC will certainly opt-in.

Don't see the point to this either. We already have Barnes, OG and Trent eating the bulk of our wing minutes. Not to mention I'd argue OG is already better and Barnes has a very, very good chance of being better.

[Ell Curry]

If we like Patrick Williams more than Detroit, this gets us another forward of the kind we like, a bench scorer and under the tax:

Pistons - Dragic, Toronto Top 5 protected 2023 1st, Chicago 1st Rounder, Malachi Flynn, Bonga
Raptors - Patrick Williams, Coby White, Derrick Jones Jr., Troy Brown Jr.
Bulls - Jerami Grant, Chris Boucher, Svi Mikhailuk

Bulls stay under the tax and get Jerami Grant and Boucher who might be a nice fit next to Vucevic as a backup 4 and a real smallball 5 option when Bradley's slow feet can't handle a particular playoff series. Lonzo-Caruso-Lavine-Demar-Grant-Boucher-Vucevic is a nice top 7 with basically no overlap of player types and Dosunmu, Javonte Green, Svi and Bradley can handle the cleanup minutes and all bring different things to the table for 10 minutes a night if the matchup is right.

Pistons get 2 first rounder and a cheap young backup PG prospect in Flynn and the expiring Dragic. They cut about 18M or so from their cap to make a move this summer or take on a bad deal and get some assets from someone trying to clear room.

Raptors rotation:

FVV-Trent-Barnes-OG-Siakam
White-PatrickWilliams-Achiuwa

We lose a first but Williams is a good fit for what we're trying to do and White might actually fulfill his destiny of being a high scoring 6th man who gets torched on D here.

Massive risk to part with such a lightly protected pick, but have to induce Detroit to do the deal and we're probably not going to be awful next year even with a bad injury since we have 5 solid players under 27 and Nurse.

[Rapsfan07]

If we like Patrick Williams more than Detroit, this gets us another forward of the kind we like, a bench scorer and under the tax:

Pistons - Dragic, Toronto Top 5 protected 2023 1st, Chicago 1st Rounder, Malachi Flynn, Bonga
Raptors - Patrick Williams, Coby White, Derrick Jones Jr., Troy Brown Jr.
Bulls - Jerami Grant, Chris Boucher, Svi Mikhailuk

Bulls stay under the tax and get Jerami Grant and Boucher who might be a nice fit next to Vucevic as a backup 4 and a real smallball 5 option when Bradley's slow feet can't handle a particular playoff series. Lonzo-Caruso-Lavine-Demar-Grant-Boucher-Vucevic is a nice top 7 with basically no overlap of player types and Dosunmu, Javonte Green, Svi and Bradley can handle the cleanup minutes and all bring different things to the table for 10 minutes a night if the matchup is right.

Pistons get 2 first rounder and a cheap young backup PG prospect in Flynn and the expiring Dragic. They cut about 18M or so from their cap to make a move this summer or take on a bad deal and get some assets from someone trying to clear room.

Raptors rotation:

FVV-Trent-Barnes-OG-Siakam
White-PatrickWilliams-Achiuwa

We lose a first but Williams is a good fit for what we're trying to do and White might actually fulfill his destiny of being a high scoring 6th man who gets torched on D here.

Massive risk to part with such a lightly protected pick, but have to induce Detroit to do the deal and we're probably not going to be awful next year even with a bad injury since we have 5 solid players under 27 and Nurse.

Idk... seems a little light from the Bulls perspective. They're trading Williams, White, Brown Jr, Jones Jr AND a first for Grant, Boucher and Svi? Sounds like a highway robbery. Have to imagine they decline this expeditiously.

I like the idea of getting Williams and White but I don't see how we pull that off without trading a first. With the deal as is, it would be better for them to cut us out as it seems we're stealing value.

[Spida888]

What is dort going to cost as a free agent next year? I don't think he is restricted but does a full 5 year mle work for him? Something like 5 year 60 mill? He fits our culture of defence first and if barnes is going to be our future star dort adds more toughness and defence plus his shooting game is improving. Him beside fvv would be crazy defence.

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Yeah he would be awesome on our team. I would think he may net more than that but we will see.

He will be a UFA in a couple of seasons I believe. Next season is a team option and OKC will certainly opt-in.

Don't see the point to this either. We already have Barnes, OG and Trent eating the bulk of our wing minutes. Not to mention I'd argue OG is already better and Barnes has a very, very good chance of being better.

I agree OG and Barnes is better than Dort, but it may be too soon to discount what Dort can offer on our team. Especially if he can be had at a reasonable price in the low teens.

Dort won't be a UFA for a couple of seasons unless he signs an extension with OKC prior to that. In a couple of years, a lot can happen where a few of our starters are up for contract renewals.

[Morris_Shatford]

I would give a FRP (lottery protected) for Bamba. He's RFA so no real risk of losing him, young enough to fit the time of the core and provides sorely needed rim protection.

For me its not the risk of losing him;
Its the risk of signing him longer term and him continuing to be mediocre.

A question for you or maybe for the group as well.

What does Bamba command contract wise this summer?

I would guess 12-15M, his numbers have been pretty good this year. 10/8/2blks (albeit bad percentages). He's flashing a little bit of shooting potential as well.

That's in line with where I was as well.
Knowing Masai likely a 3 year deal final year being PO for lets say between 36m / 45m over that term.

The concern I have is we are paying that for potential, we likely shell out Richaun Holmes money for a guy who you hope after some development becomes as effective on the court as Holmes is.

That Bamba contract has the potential to be a stinker and that is the only reason I am reluctant to give up an FRP in a draft year where you have similar type guys potentially declaring.

[Jadoogar]

Personally, I’d consider THT, Nunn and 2027 1st in return. I still think THT has a lot of promise and Nunn could be our backup point off the bench assuming he’s healthy. You could flip that Lakers Pick, our protected 1st, Malachi to Indy for Turner maybe?
Go even bigger.
Turner
Pascal
Barnes
OG
Fred

Birch
Precious
Boucher
THT
Nunn

Maybe I’m just getting getting seduced by the deadline. Still like THT though.

Don't see the point of acquiring THT. We already have Trent who is locked up to what's looking like a bargain deal. Unless there's some bigger movement happening, there's no reason for us to pursue THT.

We don't have Trent "locked up". He really only has 1 year left on his deal because the final year is a PO which he will almost certainly decline.

I really hated that contract Trent for this reason, there's not upside to his deal.

[NotMyKawhi]

I'm all for trading Scottie for a superstar.

I love scottie, but i don't think he'll be that guy in the playoffs. I just don't think he's fast enough or shots well enough. He's not as dominating in the paint as a Giannis.

I think he's a #2 at best which isn't bad. I'm saying if I can get Giannis and Barnes needs to be included ? I'm in!

[RapsAndJays21]

I would not entertain any deal with the Lakers for GTJ. Unless they want to throw us multiple unprotected picks. THJ is just a bit younger than GTJ.

[Jadoogar]

For me its not the risk of losing him;
Its the risk of signing him longer term and him continuing to be mediocre.

A question for you or maybe for the group as well.

What does Bamba command contract wise this summer?

I would guess 12-15M, his numbers have been pretty good this year. 10/8/2blks (albeit bad percentages). He's flashing a little bit of shooting potential as well.

That's in line with where I was as well.
Knowing Masai likely a 3 year deal final year being PO for lets say between 36m / 45m over that term.

The concern I have is we are paying that for potential, we likely shell out Richaun Holmes money for a guy who you hope after some development becomes as effective on the court as Holmes is.

That Bamba contract has the potential to be a stinker and that is the only reason I am reluctant to give up an FRP in a draft year where you have similar type guys potentially declaring.

Yea fair enough. I think he's young enough that he's worth the gamble and fits a need for the this team. Even if we end up bringing him off the bench, i think he's an upgrade over Precious/Birch.

[Madhouse]

If we like Patrick Williams more than Detroit, this gets us another forward of the kind we like, a bench scorer and under the tax:

Pistons - Dragic, Toronto Top 5 protected 2023 1st, Chicago 1st Rounder, Malachi Flynn, Bonga
Raptors - Patrick Williams, Coby White, Derrick Jones Jr., Troy Brown Jr.
Bulls - Jerami Grant, Chris Boucher, Svi Mikhailuk

Bulls stay under the tax and get Jerami Grant and Boucher who might be a nice fit next to Vucevic as a backup 4 and a real smallball 5 option when Bradley's slow feet can't handle a particular playoff series. Lonzo-Caruso-Lavine-Demar-Grant-Boucher-Vucevic is a nice top 7 with basically no overlap of player types and Dosunmu, Javonte Green, Svi and Bradley can handle the cleanup minutes and all bring different things to the table for 10 minutes a night if the matchup is right.

Pistons get 2 first rounder and a cheap young backup PG prospect in Flynn and the expiring Dragic. They cut about 18M or so from their cap to make a move this summer or take on a bad deal and get some assets from someone trying to clear room.

Raptors rotation:

FVV-Trent-Barnes-OG-Siakam
White-PatrickWilliams-Achiuwa

We lose a first but Williams is a good fit for what we're trying to do and White might actually fulfill his destiny of being a high scoring 6th man who gets torched on D here.

Massive risk to part with such a lightly protected pick, but have to induce Detroit to do the deal and we're probably not going to be awful next year even with a bad injury since we have 5 solid players under 27 and Nurse.

Idk... seems a little light from the Bulls perspective. They're trading Williams, White, Brown Jr, Jones Jr AND a first for Grant, Boucher and Svi? Sounds like a highway robbery. Have to imagine they decline this expeditiously.

I like the idea of getting Williams and White but I don't see how we pull that off without trading a first. With the deal as is, it would be better for them to cut us out as it seems we're stealing value.

I can't imagine the Bulls giving up on Williams this quickly. He was picked fourth and I haven't seen clear signs that he was not worth the pick. I would imagine they want to at least see what he can do next season and then decide. We would have to offer at least 2 first round picks for him and then more for Coby White, everyone can use a bench scorer.