Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[agkagk]

I'd love that deal, although I think Herb is worth more than Gary. Herb would also be a good OG replacement if we deal OG.

Herb Jones and and Trey Murphy for OG is something I would pursue. don't know how the salaries would work out though since they make so little

As most people have said that have talked about a deal with NOP, it would have to include Graham (period). NOP needs to shed his salary but I really don't think OG would get both of those guys, unproven Dyson + Herb?! Maybe but I don't think they give both of their best young wings (not named Zion & Brandon). I think if it's Daniels, we could push for a little more because he's still fairly unproven & with Trey, it's basically him & pick (IF Griffin is ok with letting go of Murphy, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually angled for Dyson/Jones considering Herb is a FA with a pick again. However I think it will require top 2 protection for them to act now because no one wants to risk being the team that traded the pick that ends up being VIc or Scoot. But damn imagine getting Murphy & say Brandon Miller in the draft PLUS we still had our own lol ahhh if only. Hopefully a deal with NOP gets done (and soon).

agreed.

one of herb or murphy
+
one of daniels or marshall
+
one of their less attractive future firsts

is probably fair value for og.

Ps jaxson hayes looks like meathead that will be out of the league in a couple years, but i guess he could go in the daniels, marshall camp.

[OakleyDokely]

My only two holds would be Barnes and OG.

OG's still young and he's such a plug and play player that he fits with any type of team you want to build. The moment you trade him is the moment you're looking for another guy like him, which you wont find because there's almost nobody who can hits 3s and guard 1-5 at the level he can.

I would trade him for Murphy + LAL 23' pick and wouldn't think twice about it.

A lockdown defender is wonderful once you have your start scoring duo but we have one of the best 2nd option scorers in Pascal & Scottie by nature is more a playmaker than a (self) shot-creator. I like Murphy's scoring upside more than OG's, he's not quite the level of OG defensively but he's sure as hell still good enough to hold his own & keep the defence strong. However again he gives the team a higher upside offensively especially as a shooter which is THE greatest need of the roster.

I doubt you're getting your scoring duo with Murphy or LAL 23 though. Unless LAL ends up in the top 2.

[Syd-TK3]

Give me the Lakers pick I don't care about nothing else

[WuTang_CMB]

Zach harper on
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[douggood]

Give me the Lakers pick I don't care about nothing else

lakers are 2 games out of playin, 2.5 games out of top 6
ad is coming back

since starting 2-10 the lakers are above 500.

[Kurtz]

I still like Sacto the most as a trade partner for OG.

1. OG for Murray, Mitchell, their late 1st
2. GTJ, our early 2nd for Herb
3. Fred to Mavs, Suns or Lakers for a heavy pick package (those Lakers '25 and '27 are long-term investments but could be massive picks).

[Syd-TK3]

Give me the Lakers pick I don't care about nothing else

lakers are 2 games out of playin, 2.5 games out of top 6
ad is coming back

since starting 2-10 the lakers are above 500.

I'm confident they don't make the playoffs

[PhilBlackson]

My only two holds would be Barnes and OG.

OG's still young and he's such a plug and play player that he fits with any type of team you want to build. The moment you trade him is the moment you're looking for another guy like him, which you wont find because there's almost nobody who can hits 3s and guard 1-5 at the level he can.

I would trade him for Murphy + LAL 23' pick and wouldn't think twice about it.

A lockdown defender is wonderful once you have your start scoring duo but we have one of the best 2nd option scorers in Pascal & Scottie by nature is more a playmaker than a (self) shot-creator. I like Murphy's scoring upside more than OG's, he's not quite the level of OG defensively but he's sure as hell still good enough to hold his own & keep the defence strong. However again he gives the team a higher upside offensively especially as a shooter which is THE greatest need of the roster.

I doubt you're getting your scoring duo with Murphy or LAL 23 though. Unless LAL ends up in the top 2.

It would be AND (not or) & it's still likely to get you a helluva lot closer than OG on his own.

Not to mention sure the top 2 ENSURES you would but I certainly wouldn't write off that it could be found. Heck for example, I'd take my chances that say Trey Murphy & Brandon Miller long term can provide a TON more scoring than OG ever could alone. Even if neither became true stars but just ELITE shooting wings especially with Scottie, I think they could be lights out & completely change the flow and dynamics of this stagnant offence.

But as I've said before I don't think Murphy is even featured enough & if you watch Miller, there's definitely glimpses of nice ballhandling to go with his GREAT shooting touch that I wouldn't rule out he could be a star wing long term. Then there's still guys like Whitmore, Ausar etc that would be better off the dribble...either way --- I like that upside a lot more than just OG. I think Murphy could prove to be comparable to OG in value as a standalone player within a couple of years or so if a team allowed him to take on a greater role within the offence then the pick would be gravy although even the pick as a standalone player could end up being just as good or better as well. Would be an EASY trade for me.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Zach harper on
50 min
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-jd-bunkis-podcast/id1645602129?i=1000595757176

"what kind of leadership core are you really losing" talking about how they looked after leading the entire game.

sums up with this **** leadership core of FVV and Siakam.

the leadership of this team is hugely overrated.

[billy_hoyle]

Give me the Lakers pick I don't care about nothing else

lakers are 2 games out of playin, 2.5 games out of top 6
ad is coming back

since starting 2-10 the lakers are above 500.

I'm confident they don't make the playoffs

This pick might not be lottery, sure, buts it's a 38yr old LeBron injury from being an 18% chance (or higher) at Wemby/Scoot. Flat odds make these 5-8th worst record spots very intriguing. Couple that with us improving our tank, we end up with the best cumulative chance at Wemby.

I might even double down and trade players to Portland (Siakam), Washington , and/or Orlando (FVV) to improve their record. 4D moves.

[WuTang_CMB]

Zach harper on
50 min
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-jd-bunkis-podcast/id1645602129?i=1000595757176

"what kind of leadership core are you really losing" talking about how they looked after leading the entire game.

sums up with this **** leadership core of FVV and Siakam.

the leadership of this team is hugely overrated.

They mentioned phxwith chris paul. If phx really likes fred as the Pg of future id do a deal with them and trent for chris paul, cam johnson and unprotected picks.

[dgr81]

Zach harper on
50 min
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-jd-bunkis-podcast/id1645602129?i=1000595757176

"what kind of leadership core are you really losing" talking about how they looked after leading the entire game.

sums up with this **** leadership core of FVV and Siakam.

the leadership of this team is hugely overrated.

They mentioned phxwith chris paul. If phx really likes fred as the Pg of future id do a deal with them and trent for chris paul, cam johnson and unprotected picks.

include the lakers in the deal and send them Chris Paul.

[Sandman88]

Peli fans are not willing to part with Dyson and Herb/Trey + a pick. OG picked a bad time to struggle mightily

[OakleyDokely]

I would trade him for Murphy + LAL 23' pick and wouldn't think twice about it.

A lockdown defender is wonderful once you have your start scoring duo but we have one of the best 2nd option scorers in Pascal & Scottie by nature is more a playmaker than a (self) shot-creator. I like Murphy's scoring upside more than OG's, he's not quite the level of OG defensively but he's sure as hell still good enough to hold his own & keep the defence strong. However again he gives the team a higher upside offensively especially as a shooter which is THE greatest need of the roster.

I doubt you're getting your scoring duo with Murphy or LAL 23 though. Unless LAL ends up in the top 2.

It would be AND (not or) & it's still likely to get you a helluva lot closer than OG on his own.

Not to mention sure the top 2 ENSURES you would but I certainly wouldn't write off that it could be found. Heck for example, I'd take my chances that say Trey Murphy & Brandon Miller long term can provide a TON more scoring than OG ever could alone. Even if neither became true stars but just ELITE shooting wings especially with Scottie, I think they could be lights out & completely change the flow and dynamics of this stagnant offence.

But as I've said before I don't think Murphy is even featured enough & if you watch Miller, there's definitely glimpses of nice ballhandling to go with his GREAT shooting touch that I wouldn't rule out he could be a star wing long term. Then there's still guys like Whitmore, Ausar etc that would be better off the dribble...either way --- I like that upside a lot more than just OG. I think Murphy could prove to be comparable to OG in value as a standalone player within a couple of years or so if a team allowed him to take on a greater role within the offence then the pick would be gravy although even the pick as a standalone player could end up being just as good or better as well. Would be an EASY trade for me.

If we're extending our timeline, I think it makes more sense to deal Siakam. He's older, more expensive and he will bring in a bigger package, maybe even a very good young asset.

[mademan]

"what kind of leadership core are you really losing" talking about how they looked after leading the entire game.

sums up with this **** leadership core of FVV and Siakam.

the leadership of this team is hugely overrated.

They mentioned phxwith chris paul. If phx really likes fred as the Pg of future id do a deal with them and trent for chris paul, cam johnson and unprotected picks.

include the lakers in the deal and send them Chris Paul.

im not sure if the Lakers would take Paul for WB straight up at this point. Paul has looked awful and at least WB's contract will be off the books in 4 months

[PhilBlackson]

"what kind of leadership core are you really losing" talking about how they looked after leading the entire game.

sums up with this **** leadership core of FVV and Siakam.

the leadership of this team is hugely overrated.

They mentioned phxwith chris paul. If phx really likes fred as the Pg of future id do a deal with them and trent for chris paul, cam johnson and unprotected picks.

include the lakers in the deal and send them Chris Paul.

If only but I don't think anyone is fooled with what CP3 is now (ie/ washed) or he wouldn't be in any trade talks to begin with.

Also considering we'd be eating massive salary for a couple of years, PHX would need legit need to give 3+ picks imo as they'd likely retain Fred (who WANTED to go there instead of us but ironically they traded for CP3 instead). I don't think even with Fred they'd be back to contention but they'd likely be in the tail end of qualifying for the Playoffs each year ala TWolves.

It could be a tempting gamble because both Fred & Booker's health can be up & down so it's not hard to fall outta the Playoffs in the West as PHX is seeing. I'd probably do it IF they attach MULTIPLE unprotected picks, then see if you can buy out CP somehow.

[agkagk]

They mentioned phxwith chris paul. If phx really likes fred as the Pg of future id do a deal with them and trent for chris paul, cam johnson and unprotected picks.

include the lakers in the deal and send them Chris Paul.

If only but I don't think anyone is fooled with what CP3 is now (ie/ washed) or he wouldn't be in any trade talks to begin with.

Also considering we'd be eating massive salary for a couple of years, PHX would need legit need to give 3+ picks imo as they'd likely retain Fred (who WANTED to go there instead of us but ironically they traded for CP3 instead). I don't think even with Fred they'd be back to contention but they'd likely be in the tail end of qualifying for the Playoffs each year ala TWolves.

It could be a tempting gamble because both Fred & Booker's health can be up & down so it's not hard to fall outta the Playoffs in the West as PHX is seeing. I'd probably do it IF they attach MULTIPLE unprotected picks, then see if you can buy out CP somehow.

flip cp3 to the lakers for westbrook and 2 more picks.

flip westbrook and 1 of the picks to the pacers for turner and hield.

[Harold_and_Kumar]

On Fred, it's hard to imagine this FO let's him go. He seems to be an extension of them and the coaching staff, and the one in the room responsible for pushing the #culture onto everyone else.

There's been multiple times Fred has said he's been really hard on guys, and is trying to keep the levels up, etc., and I think it only works I'd you're actually playing well, which he hasn't. It's one thing when LeBron does it, its another when Westbrook does.

My hot take is that this is what's responsible for some of the friction in the room, and I think the coaches and FO would probably take Fred's side (given Masai already had to meet Scottie to dig into him). So I think Fred is a lock to stay unless he's being very unreasonable with his contract or has asked to go.

There has already been a rift between FO and Fred when Fred said "So it wasn't really a direct conversation where somebody said 'you gotta get off the ball' but I've been around long enough to take a hint" in the Will Lou interview:

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Then Fred complains his about role in the JJ interview. Why would Fred be airing these out if FO is trying to keep him happy?

I assume after the 114M/4 verbal offer was rejected, the FO pivoted

I'm aware of all that, but I'm still not sure there's any real friction between FVV and Masai/Bobby. Definitely not Nurse. I think it's more Fred being defensive about his poor play and feeling anxious about his 'bet on himself' potentially not coming good. The only hard feelings I can see is that Fred has been run into the ground by Nurse (again running the most kms in the league this year), and he wants a just reward for past performance and sacrifice that the FO doesn't want to give.

OR maybe you're right and there's a disconnect between what the FO wants and what Nurse wants, because he's running him into the ground again, with Flynn, Delano, and Dowtin all sitting. Nurse definitely hasn't used Fred in all that different a role, despite what Fred has said - especially not lately now that his shot has rounded back into form.

Regardless, I'll be happy to be wrong and have you be right. Even with all the stories you've referenced, my gut says he's still highly valued by the organization (hopefully it's just not at the number Fred wants).

[RapsFanInOhio]

Sacramento and New Orleans are kind of in the same boat. Both would be awesome trade partners in that they have movable pieces that fit our roster well. They both could use an upgrade for playoff reasons. They both have the salaries to make a deal work.

The thing with adding OG to your team is that even if you give up young players (Murray, Jones, etc.) you’re still doing it for a guy that is only 25 years old. You’re adding a core piece to your team.

If Sacramento were to give up Mitchell and Murray for OG, I think you pretty much have to do it.

[WuTang_CMB]

My only two holds would be Barnes and OG.

OG's still young and he's such a plug and play player that he fits with any type of team you want to build. The moment you trade him is the moment you're looking for another guy like him, which you wont find because there's almost nobody who can hits 3s and guard 1-5 at the level he can.

I would trade him for Murphy + LAL 23' pick and wouldn't think twice about it.

A lockdown defender is wonderful once you have your star scoring duo but we have one of the best 2nd option scorers in Pascal & Scottie by nature is more a playmaker than a (self) shot-creator. I like Murphy's scoring upside more than OG's, he's not quite the level of OG defensively but he's sure as hell still good enough to hold his own & keep the defence strong. However again he gives the team a higher upside offensively especially as a shooter which is THE greatest need of the roster.

Realistically OG is the player that's going to bring us the real value we need to really upgrade the roster. Fred & Gary likely net you rotation players, maybe a young player going under the radar & mid FRPs or so to build out your depth.

If you get Murphy and the Lakers 23' pick for OG, you do that all day. I dont think people realize how good Murphy is. That's a guy who is going to blossom shortly here and fits perfectly into our system. Him and Barnes for the next decade would be nice.
Then we get LA pick and our high pick, plus assets for Trent and that's a nice little reset for next season.