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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#1161 » by ItsDanger » Fri Feb 3, 2023 6:57 pm

Sharpe can play off ball well and actually moves and cuts. Something that's non existent on this roster.
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Re: [Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG 

Post#1162 » by Bruin » Fri Feb 3, 2023 6:57 pm

If I had to choose between Shaedon or Dyson I think I’d go with Dyson for the versatility. Sharpe could potentially become our first Canadian star if he develops properly though

I’d be happy with either
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Post#1163 » by Spida888 » Fri Feb 3, 2023 6:58 pm

I would favour OG for Dyson + pick over Hart + Sharpe with no picks. Portland cannot trade any more future picks before their lottery protected pick owed to Chicago conveys.

Dyson is a negative on offense but already plays good defense. Sharpe isn't good at either end at the moment, maybe it's the lack of opportunities when playing with Dame/Simons.
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Post#1164 » by Bruin » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:00 pm

Spida888 wrote:I would favour OG for Dyson + pick over Hart + Sharpe with no picks. Portland cannot trade any more future picks before their lottery protected pick owed to Chicago conveys.

Dyson is a negative on offense but already plays good defense. Sharpe isn't good at either end at the moment, maybe it's the lack of opportunities when playing with Dame/Simons.

Sure but I’m pretty sure we could easily flip Hart to another team for a 1st if we wanted a pick.

So it could basically be Dyson + pick vs Shaedon + pick
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Post#1165 » by Los_29 » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:01 pm

Spida888 wrote:I would favour OG for Dyson + pick over Hart + Sharpe with no picks. Portland cannot trade any more future picks before their lottery protected pick owed to Chicago conveys.

Dyson is a negative on offense but already plays good defense. Sharpe isn't good at either end at the moment, maybe it's the lack of opportunities when playing with Dame/Simons.


Yeah Dyson is much better and has the makings of becoming a good-great player in this league. Sharpe is an outstanding athlete and has shown promise shooting the ball but he can't defend nor can he pass the ball. He just doesn't have a feel for the game at this point and that's something that is hard to develop.
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Post#1166 » by Bruin » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:04 pm

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Spida888 wrote:I would favour OG for Dyson + pick over Hart + Sharpe with no picks. Portland cannot trade any more future picks before their lottery protected pick owed to Chicago conveys.

Dyson is a negative on offense but already plays good defense. Sharpe isn't good at either end at the moment, maybe it's the lack of opportunities when playing with Dame/Simons.


Yeah Dyson is much better and has the makings of becoming a good-great player in this league. Sharpe is an outstanding athlete and has shown promise shooting the ball but he can't defend nor can he pass the ball. He just doesn't have a feel for the game at this point and that's something that is hard to develop.

I think a Scottie + Dyson pairing has more potential to become something special than Scottie + Shaedon

The length and versatility of Dyson and Scottie on the floor together would be fun to see over the next several years
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Post#1167 » by OakleyDokely » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:07 pm

Asif16 wrote:I do not like Sharpe. He's extremely overrated. Besides the fancy dunks, he's not a good player


ya, I see lots of red flags when a guy isn't known for defense, passing, rebounding, steals, blocks etc.

You have to be a super elite scorer to be an impact player if you don't do those other things at reasonable level. Anything is possible, but I think his likely outcome is probably a microwave scorer like Poole.
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Post#1168 » by Steelo Green » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:12 pm

Murphy should be the aim. Think he has all the tools. Murphy + picks would be a great haul.
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Post#1169 » by MoneyBall » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:12 pm

Sharpe is in the bottom 6 percent of the league in EPM... that places him next to guys like Hernangomez and Flynn. Yeah, he's still 19, he still has some time, but he's got a looooong way to go.
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Post#1170 » by pilkoids » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:14 pm

Worth remembering that Sharpe is 19

*edit - nm, so is Daniels
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Post#1171 » by OakleyDokely » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:24 pm

Daniels already looks like a functional NBA player. You can see the two way potential. He will never be a #1 option, but there's potential there as a Giddey/Haliburton fill the stat sheet type of guard.
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Post#1172 » by Los_29 » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:34 pm

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Spida888 wrote:I would favour OG for Dyson + pick over Hart + Sharpe with no picks. Portland cannot trade any more future picks before their lottery protected pick owed to Chicago conveys.

Dyson is a negative on offense but already plays good defense. Sharpe isn't good at either end at the moment, maybe it's the lack of opportunities when playing with Dame/Simons.


Yeah Dyson is much better and has the makings of becoming a good-great player in this league. Sharpe is an outstanding athlete and has shown promise shooting the ball but he can't defend nor can he pass the ball. He just doesn't have a feel for the game at this point and that's something that is hard to develop.

I think a Scottie + Dyson pairing has more potential to become something special than Scottie + Shaedon

The length and versatility of Dyson and Scottie on the floor together would be fun to see over the next several years


I think Dyson has huge potential on the defensive end. Seems like a great playmaker and can get to the rim. Shooting needs work but having a ton of playmakers on the floor is never a bad thing.
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Post#1173 » by will » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:34 pm

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Post#1174 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:35 pm

Sharpe doesn't bring the same type of tenacity or focus that a Dyson Daniels or Trey Murphy does at both ends of the floor. It's hard to envision him being anything more than a barely adequate defender. He doesn't have great court vision, doesn't rebound the ball particularly well, still major question marks about his shooting. Lots of holes in his game, definitely not a star player... probably a 7th or 8th man type if he develops a bit. I thought he was a scrub before the draft and still think he is.
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Post#1175 » by will » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:36 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Sharpe doesn't bring the same type of tenacity or focus that a Dyson Daniels or Trey Murphy does at both ends of the floor. It's hard to envision him being anything more than a barely adequate defender. He doesn't have great court vision, doesn't rebound the ball particularly well, still major question marks about his shooting. Lots of holes in his game, definitely not a star player... probably a 7th or 8th man type if he develops a bit. I thought he was a scrub before the draft and still think he is.


Big fan of both Trey Murphy and Dyson Daniels. Herb Jones as well!

Raps swing a deal with 2 of those guys plus the pick...yeah, I ain't mad.
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Post#1176 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:36 pm

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Yeah Dyson is much better and has the makings of becoming a good-great player in this league. Sharpe is an outstanding athlete and has shown promise shooting the ball but he can't defend nor can he pass the ball. He just doesn't have a feel for the game at this point and that's something that is hard to develop.

I think a Scottie + Dyson pairing has more potential to become something special than Scottie + Shaedon

The length and versatility of Dyson and Scottie on the floor together would be fun to see over the next several years


I think Dyson has huge potential on the defensive end. Seems like a great playmaker and can get to the rim. Shooting needs work but having a ton of playmakers on the floor is never a bad thing.


Yeah the one thing you can be confident with Dyson is that he is gonna be a very solid playmaker and defender in the league and is a team player.
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Post#1177 » by will » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:37 pm

Spida888 wrote:I would favour OG for Dyson + pick over Hart + Sharpe with no picks. Portland cannot trade any more future picks before their lottery protected pick owed to Chicago conveys.

Dyson is a negative on offense but already plays good defense. Sharpe isn't good at either end at the moment, maybe it's the lack of opportunities when playing with Dame/Simons.


Gotta be Dyson and Herb Jones or Trey Murphy.

Although Dyson is a very very good prospect.
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Post#1178 » by AbC? » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:38 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Daniels already looks like a functional NBA player. You can see the two way potential. He will never be a #1 option, but there's potential there as a Giddey/Haliburton fill the stat sheet type of guard.


Definitely. He's already a contributor at 19 which is a big deal and bodes well for his future outlook.
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Ideally you get more but if it came down to it, I think I'd take Dyson + Graham with no picks attached over something like the Knicks offer of 3 projected late 1sts. A young prospect that's already proven he can at least be a solid player is worth so much more than unknown quantities taken late in the 1st.

He also fits in stylistically so well with the Raptors - Nurse would love him, he'd be like Patrick McCaw if McCaw was actually a good basketball player lol
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Post#1179 » by Los_29 » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:40 pm

Raptors working out lottery prospects last year was a genius move. I remember a lot of analysts wondering why they were doing it. This is why.
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Post#1180 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:47 pm

will wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Sharpe doesn't bring the same type of tenacity or focus that a Dyson Daniels or Trey Murphy does at both ends of the floor. It's hard to envision him being anything more than a barely adequate defender. He doesn't have great court vision, doesn't rebound the ball particularly well, still major question marks about his shooting. Lots of holes in his game, definitely not a star player... probably a 7th or 8th man type if he develops a bit. I thought he was a scrub before the draft and still think he is.


Big fan of both Trey Murphy and Dyson Daniels. Herb Jones as well!

Raps swing a deal with 2 of those guys plus the pick...yeah, I ain't mad.


Murphy's shooting stroke is damn good as is his range. There is some untapped potential with the rest of his game it seems. At least enough that I'd be willing to make a trade just on the chance that he learns to attack the rim successfully more and become more of a playmaker. I mean he is a phenomenal free throw shooter, if you tell me that he's getting to the line 5-6 times a game shooting that clip in his prime I'm down. He's a young player worth taking a chance on and at the very least you are adding a very good and consistent shooter who isn't a defensive liability.

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