Official Immanuel Quickley Thread

[LoveMyRaps]

IQ looks to have the making of an elite role player at best. It's purely dependent of if he is hitting 3's at a high volume & on good %. He has a bit or an in between floater game as well.

After that, things kind of get questionable. Lacks strength, lacks elite handles, lacks a quick first step, lacks above average playmaking skills.

He seems like a Lou Will combo guard. They should be working with him on mastering that role.

Such an inaccurate assessment.

[tsherkin]

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Issue with Trae is his game is really difficult to translate over to the playoffs. His 58 TS% is above league average which is good especially for his position but his eFG% of 50.5% career is not so great. Relying on FT's in the Playoffs is not really the recipe for success as we have seen with someone like Derozan. He's played 27 playoff games and he's put up 46 eFG% and 53 TS% so it's a pretty significant drop.

I know this was a while back, but just to add...

Trae is a little dude. Little dudes struggle to score effectively in the playoffs, especially if they don't have a huge caboose like Jalen Bruson, or they aren't among the greatest mid-range shooters in league history (like Paul). Or they're Steph, but both he and Brunson are also taller than Trae. Young doesn't have a lot in the middle, and he isnt an ATG 3pt shooter. He draws well, but he can't actually make shots a lot, so yeah, the DeRozan analogy is quite apt.

Trae would be much better as a #2 to a real high-quality volume scorer. That would be a much more tenable setup, given his playmaking ability.

For whatever reason this trade gave me a Dune like premonition of Kyrie leaving this summer in a sign and trade and Trae being traded there for Max Christie and 35M in other contracts.

I can't imagine Kyrie wanting to go to Atlanta, especially without Trae.

[bluerap23]

quickley can get to places with his handles, but hes not big or athletic enough to finish over ppl inside consistently, he will often dribble it back out and pass it...he is a good ball handler, passer, and 3 point shooter but then thats about it, he can score a bit at times, hes a 15-16 5-6 guy when everyone is healthy...if a big defender that can shoot is available, im totally ready to move quick

Honestly, I have no idea how some just make up numbers.

He was putting up 18 and 7 last year when healthy and getting 33 min/game and just scratching the surface of his game as a starter.
He has the same/minute numbers this year despite having multiple injuries.

[ConSarnit]

IQ looks to have the making of an elite role player at best. It's purely dependent of if he is hitting 3's at a high volume & on good %. He has a bit or an in between floater game as well.

After that, things kind of get questionable. Lacks strength, lacks elite handles, lacks a quick first step, lacks above average playmaking skills.

He seems like a Lou Will combo guard. They should be working with him on mastering that role.

Such an inaccurate assessment.

Where is the evidence he has a quick first step as a guard? He’s rarely ever beating anyone off the dribble. He goes to his floater so much because he can’t get all the way to the rim. There is nothing in Quickey’s profile to suggest he has a good first step. Just watching him you can see he’s not beating guys off the dribble nor is really able to get all the way to rim all that often.

[TorontoBarneys]

I think Quickley is starting to be underrated now.

[tdotrep2]

I think Quickley is starting to be underrated now.

I think the hopes were high for him because he was coming in with the opportunity to have a greater role. But people are seeing some limitations and its dampened their view.

[Scase]

I think Quickley is starting to be underrated now.

I think the hopes were high for him because he was coming in with the opportunity to have a greater role. But people are seeing some limitations and its dampened their view.

The contract isn't helping that perception, his current production is lower than what is expected from that contract. He wasn't signed to be an average starter, he was expected to be a very big part of the offence, and what we've seen since the trade isn't bad, but it's not exactly blowing the roof off either. His per 100/36 numbers have him marginally above his NYC numbers as a 2nd unit guy, and while I think it's still too early to call it due to a small sample size/injuries/etc. , I think some skepticism or concern is warranted.

I view this the same as the criticisms of Dick in year 1, premature to make any claims, but fair to have concerns. IQ has not looked great since he got here, but it's too early to say he won't work out.

[dballislife]

quickley can get to places with his handles, but hes not big or athletic enough to finish over ppl inside consistently, he will often dribble it back out and pass it...he is a good ball handler, passer, and 3 point shooter but then thats about it, he can score a bit at times, hes a 15-16 5-6 guy when everyone is healthy...if a big defender that can shoot is available, im totally ready to move quick

Honestly, I have no idea how some just make up numbers.

He was putting up 18 and 7 last year when healthy and getting 33 min/game and just scratching the surface of his game as a starter.
He has the same/minute numbers this year despite having multiple injuries.

putting up those numbers playing with just rj as a 2nd option...he gonna be playing with rj, scottie, and ingram now...his numbers will go down to something similar

[tsherkin]

quickley can get to places with his handles, but hes not big or athletic enough to finish over ppl inside consistently, he will often dribble it back out and pass it...he is a good ball handler, passer, and 3 point shooter but then thats about it, he can score a bit at times, hes a 15-16 5-6 guy when everyone is healthy...if a big defender that can shoot is available, im totally ready to move quick

Honestly, I have no idea how some just make up numbers.

He was putting up 18 and 7 last year when healthy and getting 33 min/game and just scratching the surface of his game as a starter.
He has the same/minute numbers this year despite having multiple injuries.

I think the point is probably that he isn't worth the shots necessary to reach 18 ppg when everyone else on the roster is healthy. He's got the ability to act as a spacer and an additional playmaker, but he's a poor finisher inside the arc and he doesn't get to the rim well. He's weak on the long two most years (he's barely using it this year), and he's below average on his short game, too.

Strictly speaking, he's not an ideal volume option. He draws well, but he's kinda balls at finishing, apart from 3pt shooting. So he's better deployed in lower volume.

[brownbobcat]

I think the point is probably that he isn't worth the shots necessary to reach 18 ppg when everyone else on the roster is healthy. He's got the ability to act as a spacer and an additional playmaker, but he's a poor finisher inside the arc and he doesn't get to the rim well. He's weak on the long two most years (he's barely using it this year), and he's below average on his short game, too.

Strictly speaking, he's not an ideal volume option. He draws well, but he's kinda balls at finishing, apart from 3pt shooting. So he's better deployed in lower volume.

For a PG to be really deadly in the midrange, you need to have an automatic jumper, size/strength, great footwork, deadly playmaking or some combo of everything. IQ is a very good shooter but not an exceptional athlete, which means he's going to have to really excel at the fundamentals and also get a bit stronger if he wants to create separation.

[bluerap23]

quickley can get to places with his handles, but hes not big or athletic enough to finish over ppl inside consistently, he will often dribble it back out and pass it...he is a good ball handler, passer, and 3 point shooter but then thats about it, he can score a bit at times, hes a 15-16 5-6 guy when everyone is healthy...if a big defender that can shoot is available, im totally ready to move quick

Honestly, I have no idea how some just make up numbers.

He was putting up 18 and 7 last year when healthy and getting 33 min/game and just scratching the surface of his game as a starter.
He has the same/minute numbers this year despite having multiple injuries.

I think the point is probably that he isn't worth the shots necessary to reach 18 ppg when everyone else on the roster is healthy. He's got the ability to act as a spacer and an additional playmaker, but he's a poor finisher inside the arc and he doesn't get to the rim well. He's weak on the long two most years (he's barely using it this year), and he's below average on his short game, too.

Strictly speaking, he's not an ideal volume option. He draws well, but he's kinda balls at finishing, apart from 3pt shooting. So he's better deployed in lower volume.

He has a higher TS% than Scottie, RJ, and BI.

[tsherkin]

For a PG to be really deadly in the midrange, you need to have an automatic jumper, size/strength, great footwork, deadly playmaking or some combo of everything. IQ is a very good shooter but not an exceptional athlete, which means he's going to have to really excel at the fundamentals and also get a bit stronger if he wants to create separation.

Yeah, but it's also true that we can have him do SOME things without needing him to do ALL the things. We don't need him to be like a 15 FGA/g player, right? He's a shade above league average right now, and that's fine, but we don't want to stretch that too much once we start integrating BI.

He has a higher TS% than Scottie, RJ, and BI.

Technically, yes. But lower than RJ playing alongside Scottie. And worse than Ingram from the previous two seasons. And 2020 and 2021, for that matter. And ostensibly lower than Scottie when he has reduced volume and increased shot quality.

[Ell Curry]

I know this was a while back, but just to add...

Trae is a little dude. Little dudes struggle to score effectively in the playoffs, especially if they don't have a huge caboose like Jalen Bruson, or they aren't among the greatest mid-range shooters in league history (like Paul). Or they're Steph, but both he and Brunson are also taller than Trae. Young doesn't have a lot in the middle, and he isnt an ATG 3pt shooter. He draws well, but he can't actually make shots a lot, so yeah, the DeRozan analogy is quite apt.

Trae would be much better as a #2 to a real high-quality volume scorer. That would be a much more tenable setup, given his playmaking ability.

For whatever reason this trade gave me a Dune like premonition of Kyrie leaving this summer in a sign and trade and Trae being traded there for Max Christie and 35M in other contracts.

I can't imagine Kyrie wanting to go to Atlanta, especially without Trae.

No I meant Kyrie to say Miami in a S+T for Wiggins and 1sts/young guys, and Wiggins ends up in Atlanta - or Wiggins being on Dallas means Washington and Klay can go to Atlanta - with some Dallas 1sts and Max Christie.

For whatever reason, nobody wants to go to Atlanta. It's even less logical than us not being a big market team, which at least has taxes and the famous American provincialism (500 passports or so in the entire country) to blame.

[tsherkin]

No I meant Kyrie to say Miami in a S+T for Wiggins and 1sts/young guys, and Wiggins ends up in Atlanta - or Wiggins being on Dallas means Washington and Klay can go to Atlanta - with some Dallas 1sts and Max Christie.

Hmmm. Yeah, again, I dunno how thrilled anyone would be with that. Also, why would Kyrie want to go to Miami? The weather's nice, but it doesn't suck in Dallas either, and the Gulf isn't far anyway. And like, I guess Dallas could go full tank that way, but that would waste the acquisition of AD completely, so it doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

[Ell Curry]

No I meant Kyrie to say Miami in a S+T for Wiggins and 1sts/young guys, and Wiggins ends up in Atlanta - or Wiggins being on Dallas means Washington and Klay can go to Atlanta - with some Dallas 1sts and Max Christie.

Hmmm. Yeah, again, I dunno how thrilled anyone would be with that. Also, why would Kyrie want to go to Miami? The weather's nice, but it doesn't suck in Dallas either, and the Gulf isn't far anyway. And like, I guess Dallas could go full tank that way, but that would waste the acquisition of AD completely, so it doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

I don't have the hubris to think I could predict anything about Kyrie's decision making. I could see Kyrie signing a 4 year deal or asking out at anytime. We really have no idea how he feels about the Luka deal or AD or even playing for the Adelsons (or even if that would be for good for bad reasons, he truly is a rich character who exists in multitudes).

It wouldn't be Dallas going full tank. If Kyrie asks out, going for someone like Trae to replace him would basically be the opposite of that.

[brownbobcat]

For a PG to be really deadly in the midrange, you need to have an automatic jumper, size/strength, great footwork, deadly playmaking or some combo of everything. IQ is a very good shooter but not an exceptional athlete, which means he's going to have to really excel at the fundamentals and also get a bit stronger if he wants to create separation.

Yeah, but it's also true that we can have him do SOME things without needing him to do ALL the things. We don't need him to be like a 15 FGA/g player, right? He's a shade above league average right now, and that's fine, but we don't want to stretch that too much once we start integrating BI.

Oh I know, I'm just saying that's what it would take to get to the next level.

[tsherkin]

I don't have the hubris to think I could predict anything about Kyrie's decision making. I could see Kyrie signing a 4 year deal or asking out at anytime. We really have no idea how he feels about the Luka deal or AD or even playing for the Adelsons (or even if that would be for good for bad reasons, he truly is a rich character who exists in multitudes).

That's fair.

It wouldn't be Dallas going full tank. If Kyrie asks out, going for someone like Trae to replace him would basically be the opposite of that.

I don't think Trae brings enough scoring for them to do more than tread water relative to Kyrie, personally, but you're right: it wouldn't be a full tank, that's true. I was thinking more of the Wiggins thing than with Trae.

[tsherkin]

Oh I know, I'm just saying that's what it would take to get to the next level.

Yeah, I mean if he HAD more of a short and middle game and superior athleticism, he'd be a better player, sure.

[RoteSchroder]

For a PG to be really deadly in the midrange, you need to have an automatic jumper, size/strength, great footwork, deadly playmaking or some combo of everything. IQ is a very good shooter but not an exceptional athlete, which means he's going to have to really excel at the fundamentals and also get a bit stronger if he wants to create separation.

Yeah, but it's also true that we can have him do SOME things without needing him to do ALL the things. We don't need him to be like a 15 FGA/g player, right? He's a shade above league average right now, and that's fine, but we don't want to stretch that too much once we start integrating BI.

He has a higher TS% than Scottie, RJ, and BI.

Technically, yes. But lower than RJ playing alongside Scottie. And worse than Ingram from the previous two seasons. And 2020 and 2021, for that matter. And ostensibly lower than Scottie when he has reduced volume and increased shot quality.

On that note, you have to wonder how IQ would do if it was just him, Poeltl and scrubs, like with RJ early on. Being passive would save his efficiency, but if the team required he lead the offense, it could likely get ugly. I would think he’d still do well against bad teams like Philly though.

Ideally as a #3/4 guy, I’d just want him to defend like Davion and I’d be ok with the rest of his game.

[Ell Curry]

IQ looks to have the making of an elite role player at best. It's purely dependent of if he is hitting 3's at a high volume & on good %. He has a bit or an in between floater game as well.

After that, things kind of get questionable. Lacks strength, lacks elite handles, lacks a quick first step, lacks above average playmaking skills.

He seems like a Lou Will combo guard. They should be working with him on mastering that role.

Such an inaccurate assessment.

Where is the evidence he has a quick first step as a guard? He’s rarely ever beating anyone off the dribble. He goes to his floater so much because he can’t get all the way to the rim. There is nothing in Quickey’s profile to suggest he has a good first step. Just watching him you can see he’s not beating guys off the dribble nor is really able to get all the way to rim all that often.

Basically the Quickley pitch is a guy who's a 6.5/10 at starting PG stuff but he can lead the team in 3s (or basically tie with the theoretical version of Ingram with a not dumb shot diet I pray we're getting) because he is okay defensively for a PG and not a liability like Gradey (who could also get up to 3 makes a game).

So a really good off-ball PG, but obviously for that you need 2 quality options on O and probably an efficient big to carry the burden, which I'm not sure we actually have, though if you project a ton of Scottie development and a new Ingram shot diet and him magically staying healthy, sure we've got those. Poeltl isn't a lob threat but he's crafty and has a nice floater, so I think that one we can expect. Scottie becoming a good offensive player (without say a stretch 5 to open up lanes for him, I think he'd already be one on a team that has that luxury, he can bully non-centers most of the time and obviously can pass when he draws help) and Ingram having been held back by a corrupt, incompetent Pelicans team, those are totally up in the air.