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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1161 » by Johnston » Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:59 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:I personally think IQ-RJ-Ingram-Barnes are a great fit.

They all do their damage from different areas of the floor.

IQ is a 3pt shooter
RJ is a slasher and loves to attack the rim & draw fouls
Scottie is post-up w/ that patented turnaround jumper
Ingram is a midrange maestro

MOST IMPORTANTLY - all 4 guys are unselfish and loves to facilitate as much as they love to score.


I'll also add I think it pays dividends having RJ play most of his minutes at the 2. His bread and butter offensively is bullying smaller guards.

I like this all in theory. We will see how it goes after a season. Upside is better than a lot of our winnings teams over the past decade imo.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1162 » by ReggieSlater » Tue Feb 11, 2025 10:16 pm

Can his nick name be Power BI? I can see the commercials.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1163 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Mar 3, 2025 7:33 pm

Atlanta attempted to improve the roster with a big splash by trying to acquire 27-year-old forward Brandon Ingram ahead of the trade deadline, which would’ve aligned well with Young (26).

Sources told HoopsHype that the Hawks and Pelicans had several three-team trade conversations, which included two of the following four players leaving Atlanta in different trade scenarios for Ingram that ultimately fell through: Clint Capela, Onyeka Okongwu, De’Andre Hunter, and Bogdan Bogdanovic. Hunter and Bogdanovic were traded to the Cavaliers and Clippers in separate deals.

The 24-year-old Okongwu has proven to be a starting-caliber center and a potential part of Atlanta’s young core since, averaging 14.4 points on 60.9 percent shooting from the field and 9.2 rebounds as a starter.

Hawks 23-year-old rising star forward Jalen Johnson was in the conversation for an All-Star bid before his season was cut short due to a torn labrum in his left shoulder.

Guard Dyson Daniels, who turns 22 on March 17, has also emerged as a part of the young core moving forward as an All-Defensive Team candidate, leading the league in steals (3.0) while rounding out the rest of his game by averaging career-highs in points (13.9), rebounds (5.6), and assists (4.0).

Top overall pick Zaccharie Risacher’s development will also be an x-factor to monitor for Atlanta’s long-term ceiling.

Meanwhile, Capela and other veterans like Caris LeVert and Larry Nance Jr. will enter unrestricted free agency this summer, leaving their futures uncertain.

Atlanta is ideally not looking to go over the luxury tax threshold next season, HoopsHype has learned, which will play a role in the team’s roster construction this summer and the futures of those veterans.

How this all affects Young’s future remains to be seen, but it’s a situation that executives will continue to monitor in the coming months.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1164 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Jul 16, 2025 6:05 pm

According to multiple sources, Ujiri was the “driving force” behind the Brandon Ingram deal at last February’s trade deadline, while others in the room were less convinced about the fit and the timing. To just assume that Webster would pick up where Ujiri left off might be misguided. They could use a fresh perspective after missing the playoffs in four of the past five seasons, but they don’t necessarily need to look outside of the organization for that. The grass isn’t always greener.



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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1165 » by tsherkin » Thu Jul 17, 2025 12:36 am

ReggieSlater wrote:Can his nick name be Power BI? I can see the commercials.


OMG, insta-ban. You're barred from speaking forever for that...

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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1166 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:17 am

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According to multiple sources, Ujiri was the “driving force” behind the Brandon Ingram deal at last February’s trade deadline, while others in the room were less convinced about the fit and the timing. To just assume that Webster would pick up where Ujiri left off might be misguided. They could use a fresh perspective after missing the playoffs in four of the past five seasons, but they don’t necessarily need to look outside of the organization for that. The grass isn’t always greener.



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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1167 » by dballislife » Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:30 am

i mean just look at what people gave up for bane and bridges
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1168 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Jul 17, 2025 2:57 am

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"I think in general it went a little under-reported, if I can use that term," he said when asked about what adding Ingram to the Raptors will mean. "Our organization did not get enough credit for having the ability to, first of all, trade for this player and then to sign him on a long-term deal. I think it's going to be very positive for our organization and for our team.

In his injury-derailed 2024-25 campaign, Ingram averaged 22.2 points, 5.6 rebounds and 5.2 assists on 46.5/37.4/85.5 per cent shooting splits. Through 495 career NBA games split between the Los Angeles Lakers (190) and the New Orleans Pelicans (305), the former Most Improved Player holds averages of 19.5 points, 5.2 rebounds and 4.3 assists on 46.8/36.3/78.8 splits.


'We're making the playoffs': Ingram confident in Raptors' chances

The Raptors acquired Ingram at last season's trade deadline in exchange for Bruce Brown, Kelly Olynyk, a 2026 first-round pick via the Indiana Pacers and Toronto's own 2031 second-rounder. About a week later, Ingram and the Raptors agreed to a three-year, $120 million extension.


"He's been in the league for quite some time ... (but) he's still a very young player, I really see a lot of room for his growth," Rajakovic added. "He's very committed, working really hard. He spent a lot of time this off-season trying to get his health in the right place ... he's just building a strong foundation this summer that he's going to be able to carry when the season starts."

And it's no secret that Ingram has plenty of confidence that he'll be able to return without a hitch and make an impact with Toronto, saying last week that the Raptors would "make the playoffs for sure."

While Rajakovic feels the Raptors added a game-changer in Ingram, he wasn't quite ready to make the kind of proclamation his star forward did when asked about the team making its first playoff appearance since 2022.

"I can never promise anything," Rajakovic explained. "What I can promise is extremely hard work, a team that's going to be connected and playing and competing to the highest level.

We enter every single game with the ambition to win and we're confident that we can win every single game ... everything else is going to be an outcome of our hard work and togetherness we display over the course of the whole year."
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1169 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Jul 17, 2025 3:08 am

dballislife wrote:i mean just look at what people gave up for bane and bridges


Trading for All-Stars on expiring contracts is the way to go - worked out beautifully for Indy/Pascal and we were basically able to snag Ingram for free.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1170 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Jul 17, 2025 3:21 am

If Webster didn't wanna trade an expiring Brown Kelly O and a pick that didn't belong to them for BI then he's the one that needs to go.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1171 » by CPT » Thu Jul 17, 2025 3:33 am

dballislife wrote:i mean just look at what people gave up for bane and bridges


Yeah it’s crazy how better players/assets get better returns in trades, right?
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Post#1172 » by Ackshun » Thu Jul 17, 2025 3:43 am

tsherkin wrote:
ReggieSlater wrote:Can his nick name be Power BI? I can see the commercials.


OMG, insta-ban. You're barred from speaking forever for that...

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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1173 » by djsunyc » Thu Jul 17, 2025 4:04 am

CPT wrote:
dballislife wrote:i mean just look at what people gave up for bane and bridges


Yeah it’s crazy how better players/assets get better returns in trades, right?

different roles. right now the teams that already have lead scorers are overpaying for top role guys. i wouldnt call them better players since bane and mikal as #1 options would fail pretty badly.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1174 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Jul 17, 2025 4:31 am

CPT wrote:
dballislife wrote:i mean just look at what people gave up for bane and bridges


Yeah it’s crazy how better players/assets get better returns in trades, right?

They’re not that much better, if it all, though.

Definitely not 5x as many picks better
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1175 » by JB7 » Thu Jul 17, 2025 4:39 am

CPT wrote:
dballislife wrote:i mean just look at what people gave up for bane and bridges


Yeah it’s crazy how better players/assets get better returns in trades, right?


Let's see how this comment ages by the end of this season.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1176 » by Los_29 » Thu Jul 17, 2025 5:24 am

CPT wrote:
dballislife wrote:i mean just look at what people gave up for bane and bridges


Yeah it’s crazy how better players/assets get better returns in trades, right?


They traded like 5 FRPs for those guys.

The price we paid is marginal. Knicks and Magic traded a lot for players that are not superstars. They are in Ingram’s tier. The issue is can he stay healthy.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1177 » by CPT » Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:41 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
CPT wrote:
dballislife wrote:i mean just look at what people gave up for bane and bridges


Yeah it’s crazy how better players/assets get better returns in trades, right?

They’re not that much better, if it all, though.

Definitely not 5x as many picks better


I think they are, but a lot of that is health being included in their perceived value.

I wouldn’t have wanted to trade 5-6 picks for those guys either, but I also wouldn’t have traded anything at all for Ingram.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1178 » by CPT » Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:42 am

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CPT wrote:
dballislife wrote:i mean just look at what people gave up for bane and bridges


Yeah it’s crazy how better players/assets get better returns in trades, right?


Let's see how this comment ages by the end of this season.


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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1179 » by Raps in 4 » Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:50 am

WuTang_OG wrote:
According to multiple sources, Ujiri was the “driving force” behind the Brandon Ingram deal at last February’s trade deadline, while others in the room were less convinced about the fit and the timing. To just assume that Webster would pick up where Ujiri left off might be misguided. They could use a fresh perspective after missing the playoffs in four of the past five seasons, but they don’t necessarily need to look outside of the organization for that. The grass isn’t always greener.



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That's a point in Bobby/Dan's favour for me. I don't think BI is a good fit nor do I think it was it the right time to make that type of trade.
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Re: Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st 

Post#1180 » by Pointgod » Thu Jul 17, 2025 12:40 pm

CPT wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
CPT wrote:
Yeah it’s crazy how better players/assets get better returns in trades, right?

They’re not that much better, if it all, though.

Definitely not 5x as many picks better


I think they are, but a lot of that is health being included in their perceived value.

I wouldn’t have wanted to trade 5-6 picks for those guys either, but I also wouldn’t have traded anything at all for Ingram.


There’s was a reason that Ingram was traded for such little value despite him being on the trade block for a year. Also guys like Mikal and Bane getting traded for multiple picks is a completely different context than why we traded for Ingram.

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