Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 10

[Undefeated]

Brad Beal may have certain things wrong with his game, but ball handling is not one of them.

Yep. Not the flashiest ball-handler, but he's got a tight enough handle that it allows him to get where he wants on the floor.

[Indeed]

Where did I say that? I never make a judgement as you did on 3 minutes of highlight or lowlights.

Well ball handling has been a concern with Beal. He almost looks like a shorter less athletic version of DeRozan in those plays.

DeRozan is a better defender (if he is focused and willing to), and should be a better prospect.
While Beal may excel in other area, such as passing (entry pass) and basketball IQ, but he may have difficulty finishing at rims, and he may lack the quickness (or same as DeRozan?).

[PowerPhil15]

Where did I say that? I never make a judgement as you did on 3 minutes of highlight or lowlights.

Well ball handling has been a concern with Beal. He almost looks like a shorter less athletic version of DeRozan in those plays.

DeRozan is a better defender (if he is focused and willing to), and should be a better prospect.
While Beal may excel in other area, such as passing (entry pass) and basketball IQ, but he may have difficulty finishing at rims, and he may lack the quickness (or same as DeRozan?).

I have watched every gator game during march madness. Beal is a better defender. Beal is a better passer. Beal is a better shooter. Derozen has height, his driving abilities are better as of now

[fredericklove]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKAWjKUZmjw[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6qzZ2Sf4zY[/youtube]

Beal looks very average judging from these videos

Ball-handling and athleticism against two games in those videos, especially against Ohio and Florida game in The early part of the season. scouting reports spoke of his improving plays and emergence in the 2nd half of the season from early Feb to March (check espn game log), he's shown a whole lot in many of those games with poise, maturity and absolutely maximize his overall skillset, so you can't judge off from limited sample size from those videos. Especially the videos were originated from this site: http://swishscout.com/?page_id=822
It was last updated on February 6th.

And you didn't watch alot of gator games due to bandwidth issue. I supposed those of us who've watched him played in alot of the games, I say his ball-handling is completely fine and his game relies on smarts and penetration skills, not on athleticism. Even his athleticism isn't below average nor above, its around average and he uses alot of hesitation/change of pace moves and everytime he'll patiently come off the pick patiently, and quickly burst in full speed str8 into the lane. That's a sneaky quickness he's shown especially in the march madness games.

[God Squad]

If we took youtube clips at face value then we would be forced to believe that Drummond is an actual basketball player

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXB6vc5Z_A4[/youtube]

I still take drummond at 5 and run. Hope for a win.

[OAKLEY_2]

JJ is better at creating than Perry Jones. Don't drink the PJIII kool-aid, it's contaminated.

This IS NOT what I was saying. I was saying Derrick Williams can create his own shot and that if we pick too late then we should consider dealing and a play for Derrick Williams might be somebody holding more promise than Jeremy Lamb should the usual suspects be gone from the board. He might be a player we could pluck from Minnie that might and I say might, be more promising than a Jeremy Lamb... I like lamb but am not sure he is the best player for us for our rebuild.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Then you're on an island. We only recently discussed if people would trade the pick for Williams and the responses were majority "no".

[fredericklove]

Dwill as a tweener who doesn't have a position, not perimeter-skilled and quick enough to play the 3 or strong enough to play the 4, is that the type of player who holds more promise than Lamb? Lamb is an offensively skilled prototypical guard, a good one. He's got more potential and promises imo.

[DA_SCOUT]

PJ3 O-game is way more perimeter oriented then Bosh is. PJ3 can actually bring the ball up and handle it. PJ3 was never a big in HS, i'm not gonna say if he can play the 3 at the next level for sure but its up for debate. I bet he sees some action at the 3 as where CB4 could never see any action at the 3.

This,

PJ III's offensive game is not like Bosh's. I won't dismiss his ability to play the three in the NBA, I can see him getting playing time there depending on the team that drafts him.

[tmac101]

LOL at Jermey Lamb being a "top 5" prospect with guys like Thomas Robinson, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Bradely Beal, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Perry Jones, Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger, Cody Zeller...even other guys like Austin Rivers and Damian Lillard i can see all these guys being picked ahead of Lamb.

I just dont see the hype surrounding him.

[fredericklove]

LOL at Jermey Lamb being a "top 5" prospect with guys like Thomas Robinson, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Bradely Beal, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Perry Jones, Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger, Cody Zeller...even other guys like Austin Rivers and Damian Lillard i can see all these guys being picked ahead of Lamb.

I just dont see the hype surrounding him.

I LOL at your LOL at saying he shouldn't be drafted before PJ3, Sully, Zeller, Rivers and Lillard. Please explain, I wanna hear your insight.

[sunny]

Dwill as a tweener who doesn't have a position, not perimeter-skilled and quick enough to play the 3 or strong enough to play the 4, is that the type of player who holds more promise than Lamb? Lamb is an offensively skilled prototypical guard, a good one. He's got more potential and promises imo.

He could play one of the 3 or 4 for us 100%. The situation he is in Minny is very different than what it is in Toronto.
He was one of the best 3 point shooters in NCAA history and is a physical beast who measures big/strong enough to play power forward (although not infront of KEvin Love). You know I love Lamb, but Derrick Williams is a significantly better prospect in my opinion.

[DA_SCOUT]

LOL at Jermey Lamb being a "top 5" prospect with guys like Thomas Robinson, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Bradely Beal, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Perry Jones, Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger, Cody Zeller...even other guys like Austin Rivers and Damian Lillard i can see all these guys being picked ahead of Lamb.

I just dont see the hype surrounding him.

I LOL at your LOL at saying he shouldn't be drafted before PJ3, Sully, Zeller, Rivers and Lillard. Please explain, I wanna hear your insight.

Are you saying he should be drafted before PJ3, Sully, Zeller, Rivers and Lillard from a Raptors perspective or in a general sense?

Frankly, I think Sullinger and possibly PJ III are better prospects than Lamb. If i'm the raptors then yeah, you don't draft Sullinger with PJ III, Lamb etc on the board. But a team in need for a 4, easily takes Sullinger before Lamb.

Also I think tmac101 was just stating Lamb isn't a top 5 prospect in this draft, which I agree with. Top 10? yes, top 5? no.

[fredericklove]

Dwill as a tweener who doesn't have a position, not perimeter-skilled and quick enough to play the 3 or strong enough to play the 4, is that the type of player who holds more promise than Lamb? Lamb is an offensively skilled prototypical guard, a good one. He's got more potential and promises imo.

He could play one of the 3 or 4 for us 100%. The situation he is in Minny is very different than what it is in Toronto.
He was one of the best 3 point shooters in NCAA history and is a physical beast who measures big/strong enough to play power forward (although not infront of KEvin Love). You know I love Lamb, but Derrick Williams is a significantly better prospect in my opinion.

We'll have to rely on zone defense if we have Dwill cos he can't guard SF one one one, he can shoot 3s but other than that and the athleticism, he can't really operate much on offense from the wing spot. Lamb imo, is a better shot-creator than Dwill, and has a better chance of being a better scorer than Dwill imo.

[fredericklove]

I LOL at your LOL at saying he shouldn't be drafted before PJ3, Sully, Zeller, Rivers and Lillard. Please explain, I wanna hear your insight.

Are you saying he should be drafted before PJ3, Sully, Zeller, Rivers and Lillard from a Raptors perspective or in a general sense?

Frankly, I think Sullinger and possibly PJ III are better prospects than Lamb. If i'm the raptors then yeah, you don't draft Sullinger with PJ III, Lamb etc on the board. But a team in need for a 4, easily takes Sullinger before Lamb.

Also I think tmac101 was just stating Lamb isn't a top 5 prospect in this draft, which I agree with. Top 10? yes, top 5? no.

Lamb is most definitely and should unanimously be drafted before PJ3. PJ3 is going to be a tweener who struggles to find his game at both 3 and 4, along with his questionable mentality, Lamb can be passive but his game screams SG and he will pan out easier than PJ3.

Lamb should be drafted before Sully due to lack of good talented shooting guard in the league. Talented SG is harder to find, talented PF is a dozen and easier to find in every draft, especially if you say 6-9 range, Lamb goes before Sully for sure.

Cody Zeller is a talented big but he doesn't have the rebounding skills, his upside isn't as great as Lamb, where he's going to be an energy big at best while Lamb can be a talented scorer that you shouldn't skip on.

River has the offensive skills but one-dimensional, undersized, lack court vision and doesn't play defense, he has more flaws. Compare the flaws, Lamb's game has lesser flaws than River's, no doubt in my mind Lamb is a safer pick than River.

The point guard crop is weak this year thus Lillard's stock is pushed up, he hasn't faced elite competition thus he's a riskier prospect, Lamb has so much more potential than Lillard if you compare the talent level. At BPA, you just can't pass on Lamb to get Lillard.

I say Lamb has as much potential than any of the top 5 except Davis. I'm a big Barnes and Beal fan, but even I have to say that at a wing prospect range, Lamb has more potential than Barnes, Beal and MKG, and is more offensively skilled than any of them. Lamb will likely go back in top 5 after his showing in draft workout, and if he's drafted up in that range on draft day, I won't be surprised at all. And neither should any of you.

[DG88]

Thomas Robinson is declaring for the draft

[Undefeated]

Just because Austin Rivers or Perry Jones III might be selected ahead of Jeremy Lamb doesn't necessarily mean that they're better prospects. It could be to fill a need for that team. But the only thing Rivers does better than Lamb is his knack for attacking the defense. It helps that he has a more explosive first step than Lamb, though. Lamb's proven he can be a shot-maker efficiently with the defense draped all over him. He's an efficient scorer which is something Austin Rivers is not. Lamb's got better handles, court-vision, and playmaking than Rivers. And he's got a higher upside on the defensive end with his length. In addition, you don't have to worry about playing Lamb at the 1 or 2 because he's got good length to play his natural position at the 2-Guard unlike Rivers who's a SG trapped in a PG's body with lack of peripheral vision. No one's overrating Lamb here. If anything, Lamb is underrated.

[Tofubeque]

Bob Knight denounced NCAA players entering the draft after one season as a “disgrace.”

The former Indiana and Texas Tech basketball coach and current ESPN analyst delivered a speech at The Center for the Performing Arts on Saturday night.

"I think it's a disgrace," Knight said of players who attend college for one year to fulfill the NBA's requirement to be drafted. "If I was an NBA general manager, I would never want to take a kid 18, 19 years old, a year out of college. I'd wait until someone else worked two or three years with him to adjust him to the NBA and I'd trade a draft pick."

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... z1rVhMGVyO

There you have it folks: if Bobby Knight was an NBA GM, he would pass on Anthony Davis in this draft.

[drew_8730]

LOL at Jermey Lamb being a "top 5" prospect with guys like Thomas Robinson, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Bradely Beal, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Perry Jones, Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger, Cody Zeller...even other guys like Austin Rivers and Damian Lillard i can see all these guys being picked ahead of Lamb.

I just dont see the hype surrounding him.

I LOL at your LOL at saying he shouldn't be drafted before PJ3, Sully, Zeller, Rivers and Lillard. Please explain, I wanna hear your insight.

lamb is gonna go before all those guys named except mkg beal davis drummond

[Leolovinliberal]

Then you're on an island. We only recently discussed if people would trade the pick for Williams and the responses were majority "no".

Who's the tranny in your signature? That is one ugly lookin' dude.