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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1181 » by Hair Canada » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:18 am

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Hair Canada wrote:I think all we are saying is that these things are not at all obvious -- it's not obvious he'll come motivated rather than just "doing us a favor" (all indications so far point to the latter)


This is what I was talking about. You say it's not obvious, but it's obvious and then relaunch criticism. I think some sports fans, especially in this forum just intuitively gravitate to criticizing when given the opportunity without absolute, objective info. I get that we don't usually get absolute, objective info and so that leaves it up to us to interpret the info that we have, but boy do people lean towards criticism and negativity when it comes to evaluating players and coaches. I just think that this coming summer and tourney will finally be the absolute, objective info we'll need to define Andrew Wiggins' relationship with the senior men's national team. I look forward to it and hope he pulls through, travels and is key for us. But, if he fails to answer the call or does and acts like a lazy diva then I'll feel justified in berating him to the level he has been around here and I'll be right there with some of you guys in scolding the **** out of him lol.


Okay, I should clarify that I'm not a hater. I would love for Wiggins to come happily, play team basketball and help Canada win. I don't wish him badly at all and in fact, continue to cheer for him when he plays with Minnesota. I even don't think that he HAS to come this summer or ever. Playing for the national team is a privilege and an honor (as many see it), but not an obligation and players who do not want to do it are fully within their right.

BUT -- the skepticism about him here as it relates to the national team is by no means just a matter of us being negative. I think it's well merited and highly based on facts. As I said, he's given people every reason to doubt that he has any commitment to the team by not showing up to the last few campaigns (including the last chance games before the Olympics) and not even bothering to fake interest or being happy for team wins on social media, like many others have done.

And what we've seen from him in the NBA has been mostly inefficient basketball, with little contribution in any aspect of the game besides scoring (which he does inefficiently), playing poor defense, showing little passion for the game, and not helping his team win games. Again, this is not me hating. Those are just the facts and we would say this about any player who is not a Canadian who was playing the way he does. So yes, this kind of basketball, despite the clear talent and tools, gives me pause and I'm not that convinced that he can truly help team Canada. I'd love to be wrong about this (truly I would; obviously I have no interst in seeing Wiggins or team Canada fail).
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Post#1182 » by TheFutureMM » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:41 pm

ESPN Latest Mock - pretty crazy:

3) RJ Barrett
14) Brandon Clarke
18) Nickeil-Alexander Walker
25) Lu Dort
27) Mfiondu Kabengele
40) Iggy Brazdeikis

Let's say it goes down exactly as projected above... Purely from a "Draft" perspective (ignoring the careers of the players drafted), which draft do you think is more impressive, 2019 or 2014?
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Post#1183 » by And1Skip » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:15 pm

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The man who dissed Canadian basketball players as "soft" last year on ESPN writes a nice article about Roy Rana.
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Post#1184 » by mojo13 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:36 pm

Hoopshype.ca reporting Rana to be named head coach.

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Post#1186 » by And1Skip » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:11 pm

mojo13 wrote:Hoopshype.ca reporting Rana to be named head coach.

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Post#1187 » by mojo13 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:19 pm

Yes....definitely need some secondary confirmation on Rana. Or better yet something official. Hoopshype is a little loose with their reporting...but they could be onto something here.
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Post#1188 » by aminiaturebuddha » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:59 pm

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I really hope he's just testing the waters and not hiring an agent, because I don't think he's ready yet, and I'm not sure there's any way he would get drafted at this point.

For me, the main thing he needs to work on is his aggressiveness on the court. I realize that at Florida his coaches are looking for him to play a conservative game, and I'm not saying that his calm demeanor on the court needs to change. But to me he takes advantage of opportunities when they're there, but rarely does anything more than that. I would like to see him put some pressure on the defence at times as a point guard, rather than just take what he's given. In the NBA he's not just going to be able to "be there" playing a mistake free game, he'll actively need to make things happen as a point guard if he ever hopes to see the floor.

I'm not sure going pro at this point, even to the G-league, where he'd just be passing it around to another set of more accomplished scorers, will help him assert himself more. I really hope he goes back to Florida where he'll likely be a key offensive focal point next year.
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Post#1189 » by Jstock12 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:29 pm

Just read on a Lithuanian news site that Iggy has expressed his desire to play for Lithuania after the meeting with the Lithuanian Basketball Federation.
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Post#1190 » by Mattd97 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:11 pm

Jstock12 wrote:Just read on a Lithuanian news site that Iggy has expressed his desire to play for Lithuania after the meeting with the Lithuanian Basketball Federation.


Hes already spoken pretty disparagingly about his feelings towards this country. I dont really count him as relevant to this thread at this point
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Post#1191 » by TrueNorth31 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:26 pm

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Post#1192 » by Young_Buc » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:31 pm

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Jstock12 wrote:Just read on a Lithuanian news site that Iggy has expressed his desire to play for Lithuania after the meeting with the Lithuanian Basketball Federation.



Hes already spoken pretty disparagingly about his feelings towards this country. I dont really count him as relevant to this thread at this point


Only thing worse than the no-shows are the turncoats. Iggy's wack.
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Post#1193 » by TrueNorth31 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:32 pm

Here's what Olynyk told Grange last week about the coaching vacancy;

"Olynyk says he would prioritize leadership and the ability to quickly build a team culture over technical ability or experience level in a new coach.

"It’s not a thing where we need someone to micromanage a game and do all that stuff and trick other teams," he said. "We have the talent, we have the abilities we just need someone to help us put them to the test.

"It’s a lot like an NBA team. A lot of teams have a lot of talent, but if you make the team greater than the sum of its parts then you’re going to be real good and we have the talent," he said. "We have the people to fill those roles, we just need someone to bring us together and kind of guide and help us achieve our goals."

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/heats-kelly-olynyk-keeping-one-eye-canada-basketball-head-coach-hunt/
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Post#1194 » by frumble » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:39 pm

TheFutureMM wrote:ESPN Latest Mock - pretty crazy:

3) RJ Barrett
14) Brandon Clarke
18) Nickeil-Alexander Walker
25) Lu Dort
27) Mfiondu Kabengele
40) Iggy Brazdeikis

Let's say it goes down exactly as projected above... Purely from a "Draft" perspective (ignoring the careers of the players drafted), which draft do you think is more impressive, 2019 or 2014?


If it goes down like that I would give 2019 a slight edge over 2014.

1_8_18_45
3_14_18_25_27_40

I'll take the volume - especially since it would give us the record for most players drafted from a country (ex US).

And even if Brazdeikis ends up going undrafted, we could still end up with six drafted, given that there are outside chances for Shittu, Shayok, Brissett, and Wigginton (and remote possibilities for Alexander and Nembhard).
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Post#1195 » by TrueNorth31 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:57 pm

It's pretty clear what Olynyk is saying - hire Rana.

Rana's strength is that he gets along with everybody and can build the culture Olynyk seems to be referring to. I've always thought since this process began Rana in the end would be the guy. I've seen him coach Ryerson live and what impressed me was how tough he was on his players and how he held them accountable. He isn't always Mr. Sunshine. Moncrieffe mentioned that in the Spears article and 1 linked to;

"“He is a really good coach. He can get into you at times, but you have to find a way to learn not to take it personal because he is giving you really good information about motor and things that matter,” Moncrieffe said. “If you do what he says, you’ll notice an improvement right away. He has given me a lot of good tips so far."

I do think though they need a bit more deeper NBA/Fiba technical coaching expertise on the staff though - I think that''s what the hold-up is, finding someone to supplement Rana as a strong associate head coach.
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Post#1196 » by Jstock12 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:08 pm

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Mattd97 wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:Just read on a Lithuanian news site that Iggy has expressed his desire to play for Lithuania after the meeting with the Lithuanian Basketball Federation.



Hes already spoken pretty disparagingly about his feelings towards this country. I dont really count him as relevant to this thread at this point


Only thing worse than the no-shows are the turncoats. Iggy's wack.


I hear you. Good thing for you is that he probably won't be missed. You have a pretty stacked team anyway. Lithuania on the other hand could really use someone like him in a couple years. We've been running on fumes for like half a decade now...
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Post#1197 » by TrueNorth31 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:19 pm

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Young_Buc wrote:
Mattd97 wrote:

Hes already spoken pretty disparagingly about his feelings towards this country. I dont really count him as relevant to this thread at this point


Only thing worse than the no-shows are the turncoats. Iggy's wack.


I hear you. Good thing for you is that he probably won't be missed. You have a pretty stacked team anyway. Lithuania on the other hand could really use someone like him in a couple years. We've been running on fumes for like half a decade now...


What the Lithuanian press doesn't say and has been explored in depth previously on this thread is that Iggy is considered Canadian property by Fiba by virtue of playing as a 17 year old for Canada at the U17 worlds.

To play for Lithuania - Fiba would have to agree to change his designation and generally they only do that if the affected party -Canada agrees. I would suggest nothing will happen on this front given the 2 countries play each other in the Worlds. Perhaps after the current Olympic Quadrennial if the Lithuanian federation coughs up enough cash to Canada for developing this player internationally - something might happen.
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Post#1198 » by Jstock12 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:52 pm

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Jstock12 wrote:
Young_Buc wrote:
Only thing worse than the no-shows are the turncoats. Iggy's wack.


I hear you. Good thing for you is that he probably won't be missed. You have a pretty stacked team anyway. Lithuania on the other hand could really use someone like him in a couple years. We've been running on fumes for like half a decade now...


What the Lithuanian press doesn't say and has been explored in depth previously on this thread is that Iggy is considered Canadian property by Fiba by virtue of playing as a 17 year old for Canada at the U17 worlds.

To play for Lithuania - Fiba would have to agree to change his designation and generally they only do that if the affected party -Canada agrees. I would suggest nothing will happen on this front given the 2 countries play each other in the Worlds. Perhaps after the current Olympic Quadrennial if the Lithuanian federation coughs up enough cash to Canada for developing this player internationally - something might happen.


Iggy's not gonna make it into the current squad just yet, so the current Olympic Quadrennial is not really an issue. He'd be a future player if anything. I've never heard of basketball federations paying ransoms/buyouts in situations like these though. That could be tricky. I definitely think we'd have a need for him in the future, but not sure if it's gonna be worth it if the Canadian federation really asks for a hefty sum.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1199 » by Alpha Mentality » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:53 pm

Unless they are bringing in a high level coach thats in the NCAA or NBA. Roy Rana makes the most sense. Huge upgrade over Triano.
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Post#1200 » by LuDux1 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:20 pm

TrueNorth31 wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
Young_Buc wrote:
Only thing worse than the no-shows are the turncoats. Iggy's wack.


I hear you. Good thing for you is that he probably won't be missed. You have a pretty stacked team anyway. Lithuania on the other hand could really use someone like him in a couple years. We've been running on fumes for like half a decade now...


What the Lithuanian press doesn't say and has been explored in depth previously on this thread is that Iggy is considered Canadian property by Fiba by virtue of playing as a 17 year old for Canada at the U17 worlds.

To play for Lithuania - Fiba would have to agree to change his designation and generally they only do that if the affected party -Canada agrees. I would suggest nothing will happen on this front given the 2 countries play each other in the Worlds. Perhaps after the current Olympic Quadrennial if the Lithuanian federation coughs up enough cash to Canada for developing this player internationally - something might happen.


He'll dedicate this summer to NBA draft anyway. And when there's referendum about double citizenship and there's no guarantees it will pass. President can grant citizenship but only in special cases so no guarantees here either. So, guys, don't spit into Iggy's well just yet

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