2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[douggood]

We need to be going all-in on Dame in my opinion. He fits exactly what we need and the team around him would address his biggest weaknesses. Bring back Khem Birch and use the MLE to add some guard depth...you've got a contender right there. Still have #46 and #47 to add some young depth pieces too.

Lillard / MLE
VanVleet / Trent Jr
Anunoby / Watanabe / Watson Jr
Siakam / Boucher
Birch / Gillespie

so exactly who did you trade to match his 40 mil salary?

[Troubadour]

We need to be going all-in on Dame in my opinion. He fits exactly what we need and the team around him would address his biggest weaknesses. Bring back Khem Birch and use the MLE to add some guard depth...you've got a contender right there. Still have #46 and #47 to add some young depth pieces too.

Lillard / MLE
VanVleet / Trent Jr
Anunoby / Watanabe / Watson Jr
Siakam / Boucher
Birch / Gillespie

so exactly who did you trade to match his 40 mil salary?

Baynes, Hood and Lowry sign and trade gets you to $40M. Someone else said you can't have a threeway trade with a sign and trade component, but you could probably structure it without needing that. Another way would be to wait until after the draft and use the salary hold from the 4th pick to get there too.

[Morris_Shatford]

I like the idea of Dame;
My concerns are that I am not entirely convinced we could create a package appealing enough to land him from Portlands perspective that wouldn't make our roster equal to or less than the Blazers team he is currently wanting out of.

[raptoratode]

I like the idea of Dame;
My concerns are that I am not entirely convinced we could create a package appealing enough to land him from Portlands perspective that wouldn't make our roster equal to or less than the Blazers team he is currently wanting out of.

Let's try this (not sure how the salary works though):

PHI gets Kyle, CJ for Simmons (better backcourt, shooting, leadership to pair with with Embiid)
Embiid
Tobias
Green
CJ
Kyle

POR gets #4, FVV, Simmons for Dame, CJ (cheaper contracts, solid backcourt, gets to retool/rebuild in one summer, pretty good haul for them I think)
Nurk
Roco
Simmons
Suggs (#4)
FVV

TOR gets Dame for Kyle, FVV, #4; signs GTJ, Otto Porter, Birch, Holmes
Dame / GTJ / OG / Pascal / Holmes
Flynn / Bembry / Porter / Boucher / Birch

[dgr81]

We need to be going all-in on Dame in my opinion. He fits exactly what we need and the team around him would address his biggest weaknesses. Bring back Khem Birch and use the MLE to add some guard depth...you've got a contender right there. Still have #46 and #47 to add some young depth pieces too.

Lillard / MLE
VanVleet / Trent Jr
Anunoby / Watanabe / Watson Jr
Siakam / Boucher
Birch / Gillespie

so exactly who did you trade to match his 40 mil salary?

raps can make it work




FVV/Boucher/Hood/#4/2023 1st with protection/2025 1st with protection for Dame

Dame/Malachi
Kyle/GTJ
OG/?
Pascal/?
?/?

[isyed]

We need talent more than anything else. Not the time to go after Dame right now. Instead use Lowry to get additional assets or picks in a sing and trade or keep him at the 20 mill range to extract more value at the trade deadline.

Add the 4th pick (any one of Green/Mobley /Suggs)
Add some seniors or a flyer withe second rounders
Bring back GTjr + Birch + Lowry
Get everyone else healthy for the start of the season and play at home with an improved OH and some less pressure on Siakam and see where we go

Fvv/Flynn
Lowry/Suggs(or Green)
Og/GTjr/Watson/Bembry
Siakam/Boucher/Yuya
Birch/Noel/Gilli

Very Gaurd heavy but we trade Lowry at the deadline for some assets whn his salary is more manageable and he shows more value.



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[DangerZone13]

Not saying we SHOULD do a quick 1 yr rebuild, but if we could pull off something like this in this deep draft, would you do it? I'm resigned to the idea that this is going to be a very different team without Kyle Lowry, and even if we can replace his production and add a big, our ceiling is significantly lowered.

Often stars are traded for multiple firsts, but with the acknowledgment that some or all will likely be later picks. Here, we know the picks are mid-lotto.

Wielding 4, 7, 9, 39, and 46, plus Boucher to use as sweetener, the Raps could ensure they land whichever prospects they feel fit best with the system.
I feel depending on who we get at #4, using the past year as an expedited rebuild, then growing that team together with Fred leading them looks a lot more appealing than treadmilling or a lengthy tear-down.

To KINGS: Siakam
To WARRIORS: Barnes, Bagley, #47
To RAPTORS: Wiggins, #7, #9, #39

I think the Warriors didn't want to let Barnes go if it weren't for money, so they plug him into Wiggins' spot at a cheaper rate, and pick up Bagley to try to build a #2 overall twin towers with Wiseman. He's got some league time, so it's not full development like picking 7th, while holding the 14th, and getting their 2nd back for cheap help. This trade for them is about fit and timeline.

I think the Kings could be looking to consolidate assets for a big-time player. It seems like making the playoffs is the goal, and could they could do worse than trying to emulate the Raptors with Pascal and a pair of scoring creators to get them there, at least in a low seed. They're paying a little more than the reported offer for Simmons, but Pascal has proven he can step up in the playoffs.

[Bowdystuda]

Keeping seeing different mocks where Kuminga could go anywhere from 5 to 7. If he falls to 7, Toronto has to pull the trigger on a Siakam deal to Golden State.

If we get Wiseman, Wiggens, 7th and 14th for Siakam + then you have to do it. If we can get Suggs or Barnes, plus Kuminga and possibly Josh Giddey at 14 then we are set. I am also starting to get high on Barnes. Getting close between him and Suggs for me at 4.

A core of great young players VanVleet/OG/Barnes/Kuminga/Wiseman/Giddey/Trent Jr/Boucher and Flynn. Also have Wiggens to flip at some point if needed and Lowrys rights but that could complicate things potentially.

[SLCceltic]

Greetings, I am just wondering what it would take to convince the Raps to send us Kyle Lowry via S&t
same division and both organizations are not huge fans of one another. ha. would KL even agree to join the Cs ??

I am a huge fan od KL, always have been and believe he would be a perfect compliment engine to max out the Jays ! a better version of CP3 esp on D and clutch 3pt shooting ....his midrange game is not too far off CP but KL gets to the basket and FT line at higher rate...

is there ANY way he makes it to Boston ??

could Timelord Romeo langford and frp get it done, or would it require Smart ??

[agkagk]

Greetings, I am just wondering what it would take to convince the Raps to send us Kyle Lowry via S&t
same division and both organizations are not huge fans of one another. ha. would KL even agree to join the Cs ??

I am a huge fan od KL, always have been and believe he would be a perfect compliment engine to max out the Jays ! a better version of CP3 esp on D and clutch 3pt shooting ....his midrange game is not too far off CP but KL gets to the basket and FT line at higher rate...

is there ANY way he makes it to Boston ??

could Timelord Romeo langford and frp get it done, or would it require Smart ??

He’s a ufa.

Ask Lowry.

[NotMyKawhi]

Anyone else feel like this is the draft to blow it up and go all in for a rebuild? Everyone thinks I'm against Suggs but I love him as a piece. I love defensive players. Is there any way we can walk away with....

Mobley suggs and barnes? If I'm starting a rebuild? I want those 3! All 3 pass the ball. All 3 play D. Elite D. You'll have cap space for the next 4 years before their contracts kick in.

Superstars wouldn't mind playing w these guys, they pass the ball and play D. We will have 4 off-seasons to sign a coupld superstars. That's how I'd do it.

[agkagk]

Anyone else feel like this is the draft to blow it up and go all in for a rebuild? Everyone thinks I'm against Suggs but I love him as a piece. I love defensive players. Is there any way we can walk away with....

Mobley suggs and barnes? If I'm starting a rebuild? I want those 3! All 3 pass the ball. All 3 play D. Elite D. You'll have cap space for the next 4 years before their contracts kick in.

Superstars wouldn't mind playing w these guys, they pass the ball and play D. We will have 4 off-seasons to sign a coupld superstars. That's how I'd do it.

No.

We’re one and done in lottery for a decade.

You’re taking for granted our winning culture and how long and difficult it was to develop.


Winning breeds winning.


A bunch of rookies breeds a bunch of kids running into each other like headless chickens.

[Spida888]

Greetings, I am just wondering what it would take to convince the Raps to send us Kyle Lowry via S&t
same division and both organizations are not huge fans of one another. ha. would KL even agree to join the Cs ??

I am a huge fan od KL, always have been and believe he would be a perfect compliment engine to max out the Jays ! a better version of CP3 esp on D and clutch 3pt shooting ....his midrange game is not too far off CP but KL gets to the basket and FT line at higher rate...

is there ANY way he makes it to Boston ??

could Timelord Romeo langford and frp get it done, or would it require Smart ??

Lowry would first want to be there since he’s an UFA. if he’s fine with that then I think it would take Smart mainly because the Cs are a division rival so the asking price would be more. Otherwise we’d be shooting ourselves in the foot.

[Spida888]

Not saying we SHOULD do a quick 1 yr rebuild, but if we could pull off something like this in this deep draft, would you do it? I'm resigned to the idea that this is going to be a very different team without Kyle Lowry, and even if we can replace his production and add a big, our ceiling is significantly lowered.

Often stars are traded for multiple firsts, but with the acknowledgment that some or all will likely be later picks. Here, we know the picks are mid-lotto.

Wielding 4, 7, 9, 39, and 46, plus Boucher to use as sweetener, the Raps could ensure they land whichever prospects they feel fit best with the system.
I feel depending on who we get at #4, using the past year as an expedited rebuild, then growing that team together with Fred leading them looks a lot more appealing than treadmilling or a lengthy tear-down.

To KINGS: Siakam
To WARRIORS: Barnes, Bagley, #47
To RAPTORS: Wiggins, #7, #9, #39

I think the Warriors didn't want to let Barnes go if it weren't for money, so they plug him into Wiggins' spot at a cheaper rate, and pick up Bagley to try to build a #2 overall twin towers with Wiseman. He's got some league time, so it's not full development like picking 7th, while holding the 14th, and getting their 2nd back for cheap help. This trade for them is about fit and timeline.

I think the Kings could be looking to consolidate assets for a big-time player. It seems like making the playoffs is the goal, and could they could do worse than trying to emulate the Raptors with Pascal and a pair of scoring creators to get them there, at least in a low seed. They're paying a little more than the reported offer for Simmons, but Pascal has proven he can step up in the playoffs.

That’s an interesting proposal. I’m not sure Barnes + Bagley is enough of an upgrade over Wiggins for GS to give up the 7th pick. I’m willing to swap SRPs with SAC if it makes it sweeter for them. Love the idea of getting 2 top 10 picks though.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Keeping seeing different mocks where Kuminga could go anywhere from 5 to 7. If he falls to 7, Toronto has to pull the trigger on a Siakam deal to Golden State.

If we get Wiseman, Wiggens, 7th and 14th for Siakam + then you have to do it. If we can get Suggs or Barnes, plus Kuminga and possibly Josh Giddey at 14 then we are set. I am also starting to get high on Barnes. Getting close between him and Suggs for me at 4.

A core of great young players VanVleet/OG/Barnes/Kuminga/Wiseman/Giddey/Trent Jr/Boucher and Flynn. Also have Wiggens to flip at some point if needed and Lowrys rights but that could complicate things potentially.

If this happens you don't take Barnes at #4 you take Suggs or Green for their scoring. OG plus Barnes and Kuminga is extremely redundant. I think Suggs/Trent Jr/Kuminga/Wiseman/Flynn plus whatever they get from Boucher and Lowry is better. At #14 I look at drafting Kispert or Mitchell or Kai Jones.

[Bowdystuda]

Keeping seeing different mocks where Kuminga could go anywhere from 5 to 7. If he falls to 7, Toronto has to pull the trigger on a Siakam deal to Golden State.

If we get Wiseman, Wiggens, 7th and 14th for Siakam + then you have to do it. If we can get Suggs or Barnes, plus Kuminga and possibly Josh Giddey at 14 then we are set. I am also starting to get high on Barnes. Getting close between him and Suggs for me at 4.

A core of great young players VanVleet/OG/Barnes/Kuminga/Wiseman/Giddey/Trent Jr/Boucher and Flynn. Also have Wiggens to flip at some point if needed and Lowrys rights but that could complicate things potentially.

If this happens you don't take Barnes at #4 you take Suggs or Green for their scoring. OG plus Barnes and Kuminga is extremely redundant. I think Suggs/Trent Jr/Kuminga/Wiseman/Flynn plus whatever they get from Boucher and Lowry is better. At #14 I look at drafting Kispert or Mitchell or Kai Jones.

I guess it depends on if you think Freddy stays long term and your opinion on Giddey. I think Freddy becomes the leader of this team and stays at least a few more seasons. I also am very high on Giddey and depending on what spot he lands at, might be the steal of the draft.

At 4, I think we have no shot at Green. Suggs probably, but not Green. I am guess I am so high on Giddey being a stud PG, that I would trade down to 5 to get Barnes. I do love Suggs though.

[OAKLEY_2]

Have connected the dots. With the 4th selection in the NBA draft the Tow-Ron-Tow Raptors select Jalen Suggs from Gonzaga university. Bell ring. With the 46th selection the NBA draft the Tow-Ron-Tow Raptors select Joel Ayayi from...Gonzaga university. Bell ring. With 47th selection in the NBA draft the Tow-Ron-Tow Raptors select Filip Petrusev from Mega Bemax and...Gonzaga university.

[OAKLEY_2]

[wegotthabeet]

Toronto gets - 5th overall & 8th overall pick
Orlando gets - 4th overall & 19th overall pick
New York gets - Boucher

Lowry - Flynn
Vanvleet - Trent Jr.
Anunoby - Kuminga
Siakam - Kuminga
Barnes - Birch

[tecumseh18]

Greetings, I am just wondering what it would take to convince the Raps to send us Kyle Lowry via S&t
same division and both organizations are not huge fans of one another. ha. would KL even agree to join the Cs ??

I am a huge fan od KL, always have been and believe he would be a perfect compliment engine to max out the Jays ! a better version of CP3 esp on D and clutch 3pt shooting ....his midrange game is not too far off CP but KL gets to the basket and FT line at higher rate...

is there ANY way he makes it to Boston ??

could Timelord Romeo langford and frp get it done, or would it require Smart ??

Lowry would first want to be there since he’s an UFA. if he’s fine with that then I think it would take Smart mainly because the Cs are a division rival so the asking price would be more. Otherwise we’d be shooting ourselves in the foot.

There's only a few teams where you KNOW the teams and the fanbases would appreciate Kyle, and Celtics are one of them. Simmons and Russillo are certainly now on the Lowry hype train, slotting him at #1 in their 2006 redraft (of course, 2006 was a really weak year. Celtics traded their lottery pick for Bassy f'n Telfair).

So for that reason alone, I actually wouldn't mind seeing Lowry end his career setting up those J-boys if that's what he wants to do. Smart seems like an obvious return, but Kyle wants big money. At least 20 mill. So Cs would have to be willing to pay him that much, and be able to trade at least 16 mill in salary back to the Raps. If you want to stay under the tax, you'd have to trade back the full 20 mill. DON'T say Tristan Thompson. That will not be an option. Moses Brown would be a nice start. Who else?