With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[whitehops]

Who is Cade guarding? Not being sarcastic, just wondering what his position will be. 2 guard?

yeah, 2s and 3s pretty exclusively depending on the matchups.

[ItsDanger]

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[Dalek]

All that I'm fairly certain of is that none of these other teams are going to have fun being guarded by a lineup of Fred, OG, Scottie, Pascal and Precious. They won't be great offensively, but that perimeter defense with Precious acting as a rim protector and Nurse scheming, a lot of stars are going to have very bad nights.

I can also see that this year if we focus on really aggressive schemes the refs will have the other team in the bonus early. With such a young team I could see them giving the benefit to the other team's veterans. A guy like Trae Young or even a player like Derozan you cannot guard with your hands one bit. This could lead to some ugly low scoring games.

That said, a team like the Knicks which had a top ten defense and a mediocre offense still ended up a decent seed. They were lucky that Julius Randle didn't miss any time.

Toronto has the challenge to manage the games where Siakam is out. Even when he is back you never know if they will be cautious with him. Paul George had a similar surgery and recovery and the process was slow for him at first and he wasn't quite himself right away. If Toronto can figure out how to spread the scoring and still defend well without their best defender, they have a shot at the playoffs.

[Psubs]

Who is Cade guarding? Not being sarcastic, just wondering what his position will be. 2 guard?

yeah, 2s and 3s pretty exclusively depending on the matchups.

Yes, pretty much whoever Paul George can guard.

[God Squad]

The man was already playing Bully ball in SL, imagine what he'll do with NBA experience and conditioning.

Aye mane lol. I know there are gonna be a lot of ups and downs with his offensive development. But I have a good feeling on this pick for some reason. Like, extremely optimistic it'll work out for us.

Just sayin'.

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[TravisScott55]

If he develops a half court game he will be terrifying.

[everdiso]

Per36

S.Barnes 1gm, 18.9pts (60.0%), 13.1rb (5.8off), 8.7ast (5.8to), 2.9st, 2.9bk
J.Green 1gm, 15.7pts (28.6%), 7.8rb (1.3off), 2.6ast (0.0to), 0.0st, 0.0bk
E.Mobley 2gm, 11.7pts (38.9%), 13.0rb (2.6off), 1.3ast (2.6to), 0.7st, 2.6bk
J.Suggs 2gm, 9.1pts (22.2%), 8.2rb (0.8off), 4.1ast (3.3to), 0.8st, 2.5bk
C.Cunningham 0gm

[Dalek]

Per36

S.Barnes 1gm, 18.9pts (60.0%), 13.1rb (5.8off), 8.7ast (5.8to), 2.9st, 2.9bk
J.Green 1gm, 15.7pts (28.6%), 7.8rb (1.3off), 2.6ast (0.0to), 0.0st, 0.0bk
E.Mobley 2gm, 11.7pts (38.9%), 13.0rb (2.6off), 1.3ast (2.6to), 0.7st, 2.6bk
J.Suggs 2gm, 9.1pts (22.2%), 8.2rb (0.8off), 4.1ast (3.3to), 0.8st, 2.5bk
C.Cunningham 0gm

I don't really worry about the guys we didn't have a shot to draft, but got to keep an eye on the others we passed on:

How about Trey Murphy - 12 threes in two games - always said he was a lottery pick.

Josh Giddey 18/7/6 line doesn't even begin to tell you how gifted a passer he is.

A lot of the other lottery guys haven't even played big minutes, so preseason will be fun to watch as the rookies play more.

[Raps in 4]

2 points on 7 shots in 22 minutes (-16) for Suggs in game 2.

We all need to apologize to Masai right now.

[God Squad]

Per36

S.Barnes 1gm, 18.9pts (60.0%), 13.1rb (5.8off), 8.7ast (5.8to), 2.9st, 2.9bk
J.Green 1gm, 15.7pts (28.6%), 7.8rb (1.3off), 2.6ast (0.0to), 0.0st, 0.0bk
E.Mobley 2gm, 11.7pts (38.9%), 13.0rb (2.6off), 1.3ast (2.6to), 0.7st, 2.6bk
J.Suggs 2gm, 9.1pts (22.2%), 8.2rb (0.8off), 4.1ast (3.3to), 0.8st, 2.5bk
C.Cunningham 0gm

I don't really worry about the guys we didn't have a shot to draft, but got to keep an eye on the others we passed on:

How about Trey Murphy - 12 threes in two games - always said he was a lottery pick.

Josh Giddey 18/7/6 line doesn't even begin to tell you how gifted a passer he is.

A lot of the other lottery guys haven't even played big minutes, so preseason will be fun to watch as the rookies play more.

Giddeys the one i'll be watching as IMO if we picked 7th he was probably our guy as we scouted him extensively. I wasn't sold on him pre draft, but like many I know nothing aside from highlights and what I read pre draft.

[God Squad]

2 points on 7 shots in 22 minutes (-16) for Suggs in game 2.

We all need to apologize to Masai right now.

I've been trying not to troll on the GB. But from what I saw from Suggs I'm not sure he's a lead guard on a team. His handle needs to tighten up a lot and even his decision making on passes is kinda suspect. The jumper is inconsistent but I still buy into it. Suggs is a much better defender/help defender than I thought. I remember people were saying he's closer to Jrue than say Rose and I'm starting to see it. Still going to be a solid player for years to come IMO.

[duppyy]

Are people hoping Suggs bust here? If so why?

We passed on him, not like he didn’t want to come here. No need to hate on him or be happy when he plays like ****.

[God Squad]

Are people hoping Suggs bust here? If so why?

We passed on him, not like he didn’t want to come here. No need to hate on him or be happy when he plays like ****.

Well thats part of the issue. They'll be linked together for years to come ala Marvin Bagley/Luka/Trae. It's much better to see our pick play up to or exceed expectations than for him to look "busty". I personally don't think Suggs will bust, but I also feel he was overrated a little on the net. I'm not sure what he does "elite" at the next level. Green and Cade project to be great scorers, Mobley projects to be an elite defender and Barnes projects to be an elite defender/play maker.

I will 100% be a little giddy when he doesn't play well, but only because people think Masai made some monumental mistake passing on a "franchise" guy, which I don't see. Let me put it this way during summer league people think we made a massive mistake, but I'm not hearing as much of that chatter lately as people are starting to see what Barnes brings to the table.


But this is coming from an internet/youtube scout lol. So who knows what everyone final form will be. But I do believe this is an elite draft class that is rich with stars/talent.

[everdiso]

Are people hoping Suggs bust here? If so why?

We passed on him, not like he didn’t want to come here. No need to hate on him or be happy when he plays like ****.

After the raps received so much criticism and mockery and disrespect for picking Barnes this summer, I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised that we would compare Barnes to his draft class and enjoy when he looks better.

[anotherhomer]

I followed Cavs game.
I think Evan mobley is the guy raps really wanted, and who blake Murphy was advocating for.

[Reeko]

Are people hoping Suggs bust here? If so why?

We passed on him, not like he didn’t want to come here. No need to hate on him or be happy when he plays like ****.

Not hoping that he busts, just hoping that Barnes is better than him by a significant margin.

[PhilBlackson]

Are people hoping Suggs bust here? If so why?

We passed on him, not like he didn’t want to come here. No need to hate on him or be happy when he plays like ****.

After the raps received so much criticism and mockery and disrespect for picking Barnes this summer, I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised that we would compare Barnes to his draft class and enjoy when he looks better.

Pretty much this.

It's not that anyone wants Suggs to bust, I've seen most still be complimentary of him, we just want Barnes to end up better lol because most media and fans made it out like it was some massive mistake to pick Barnes and how could pass on a supposed franchise talent (well ofc not what they said when they thought we were gonna take him lol but then immediately flip flopped when we didn't).

Heck I'm sure you seen the stuff online where they asked who will be the best rookie, skipped right over Scottie and actually used his outline as the "other" mystery player (ironic trolling for those that remember "We The Other" poll asking who makes it the Finals when we made the ECF, put 3 out of the 4 teams remaining and labeled us "Other" lmao). I think Rap fans want media and others to keep that same energy...

I followed Cavs game.
I think Evan mobley is the guy raps really wanted, and who blake Murphy was advocating for.

I have no doubt we did but we just couldn't find a deal we liked with either of HOU or CLE to get there.

As aside people REALLY need to stop the myth that our FO supposedly doesn't leak because the leak of us wanting to draft Scottie was well known to the point a blast from the wannabe Woj of the distant past Chad Ford was even reporting it as well (as it had leaked we wanted Giannis at the draft, as it leaked a year prior that we wanted both PJ Tucker and Ibaka before we got them and the day or two before that we were in on trying to trade for Kawhi)

But on topic, I believe Mobley was plan A and fit the same long, versatile defender and player but we just weren't seeing a way that we liked to get there and along came Scottie...THE first day we had workouts the rumors came out we liked him. I think obviously Masai fell in love with his charisma, his hard working attitude and of course his physical dimensions (that aren't that far off Mobley) and said the hell with it, this guy can be every bit the same star, if not arguably bigger due to his huge personality and quickly got over missing out on Evan and more infactuated with Scottie then tuned out the noise that we're "supposed to" draft Suggs....as another side it's funny looking at CLE that Scottie probably would've been the right pick for them when they have a logjam of bigs now that they have Markannen, Love's albatross of a contract and re-upped on Allen. Barnes showed good chemistry with Sexton in those summer runs and would've been exactly the defender on the perimeter and facilitator CLE needed but when have they ever really known what they're doing lol

[Dalek]

Per36

S.Barnes 1gm, 18.9pts (60.0%), 13.1rb (5.8off), 8.7ast (5.8to), 2.9st, 2.9bk
J.Green 1gm, 15.7pts (28.6%), 7.8rb (1.3off), 2.6ast (0.0to), 0.0st, 0.0bk
E.Mobley 2gm, 11.7pts (38.9%), 13.0rb (2.6off), 1.3ast (2.6to), 0.7st, 2.6bk
J.Suggs 2gm, 9.1pts (22.2%), 8.2rb (0.8off), 4.1ast (3.3to), 0.8st, 2.5bk
C.Cunningham 0gm

I don't really worry about the guys we didn't have a shot to draft, but got to keep an eye on the others we passed on:

How about Trey Murphy - 12 threes in two games - always said he was a lottery pick.

Josh Giddey 18/7/6 line doesn't even begin to tell you how gifted a passer he is.

A lot of the other lottery guys haven't even played big minutes, so preseason will be fun to watch as the rookies play more.

Giddeys the one i'll be watching as IMO if we picked 7th he was probably our guy as we scouted him extensively. I wasn't sold on him pre draft, but like many I know nothing aside from highlights and what I read pre draft.

He has some incredible whip passes with either hand and know instinctively how to freeze defenses while in pick and roll. He also has a nice in and out dribble which is kind cool for a guy that is like 6'8". To me he plays like a bigger version of Steve Nash but obviously still has to work on his shooting. Between him and Scottie it is a bit of toss up because one is gifted on defense and the other more so on offense.

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[everdiso]

I followed Cavs game.
I think Evan mobley is the guy raps really wanted, and who blake Murphy was advocating for.

I dunnno man.

the more we see of Scottie's skills AND intangibles the more i'm convinced he may have been #1 on the raps' board.