Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3

[tecumseh18]

If the Raptors had some big useless expiring contract to combine with Scottie to trade for KD (with no picks!), otherwise keeping the core in place, would you pull the trigger?

After reading the last page of this thread, definitely not. Before reading it ... I'd think about it.

[anotherhomer]

I just try to avoid being let down by the endless disappointments
- the jv jump that never happened (blame casey)
- t Ross being inconsistent
- norm powell struggling after the big contract
- the pascal bubble struggles...and also missing tons of bunnies near the rim

[Joker]

I just try to avoid being let down by the endless disappointments
- the jv jump that never happened (blame casey)
- t Ross being inconsistent
- norm powell struggling after the big contract
- the pascal bubble struggles...and also missing tons of bunnies near the rim

Think of Bosh and Vince's jump from season 1 to 2. I fully expect Scottie to be in that category -- he's not in the Powell/JV/Ross category of player, for multiple reasons.

[NBJ13]

This is crazy man. This is the culture thing like if Cade was on our squad with our guys the way they are tight knit and have the "winning culture" / work ethic, he would be improving a lot more. I imagine that Barnes sees the vets like Thad, Pascal, Fred, etc. set goals and improve their game and keep in touch and as a competitor who wants to be an integral part of the core, he has to keep up with that and naturally it drives him even more. Meanwhile Cade is already given the reigns, is around a bunch of young guys and doesn't have that.

Agreed with you. I think the Raps made the same mistake after Kawhi left, by trying to turn the team over to Pascal too soon, especially with Kyle on the team. I think this factored into Pascal's regression.... fortunately he seems to have bounced back from it.

[Reeko]

I just try to avoid being let down by the endless disappointments
- the jv jump that never happened (blame casey)
- t Ross being inconsistent
- norm powell struggling after the big contract
- the pascal bubble struggles...and also missing tons of bunnies near the rim

I don’t think that JV and Pascal belong in that group. JV wasn’t used nearly enough on offense, and Pascal was injured.

I think worst case with Scottie, if he never fully develops a 3 point shot, is we get a bigger Jimmy Butler. Which would not be a bad outcome at all.

[Raps in 4]

Durant plays 2k, he's still a top 3 player in the league.

Tell 'em!

Playing videogames isnt an instant red flag, as long as they have the work ethic when it comes to basketball which many players do.

I think it's an age gap/generation thing. Guys in their 40's thinking it's some niche hobby. Most of the league plays video games.

Tim Duncan was an avid gamer as well. Athletes have been gaming since video games became a thing.

[Raps in 4]

I feel like some ppl maybe disappointed in season 2 scottie

The only people who will be disappointed are the haters who want to see him fail.

[Raps in 4]

All of these off season work out vids of Scottie. Meanwhile, these are the only two off season vids about Cade I could find.

Here they talk about his "insane" physical transformation. He just looks like he put on weight, not necessarily muscle.

Watch on YouTube

And his rap mixtape premiere, where he is seen riding around with his boys, with no seat belt on.

Watch on YouTube

This is crazy man. This is the culture thing like if Cade was on our squad with our guys the way they are tight knit and have the "winning culture" / work ethic, he would be improving a lot more. I imagine that Barnes sees the vets like Thad, Pascal, Fred, etc. set goals and improve their game and keep in touch and as a competitor who wants to be an integral part of the core, he has to keep up with that and naturally it drives him even more. Meanwhile Cade is already given the reigns, is around a bunch of young guys and doesn't have that.

Scottie and Mobley were both praying they get drafted by us. I'm glad it worked out for Mobley in Cleveland.

Getting drafted by a poverty franchise automatically reduces a prospect's odds of reaching their potential.

[anotherhomer]

I just try to avoid being let down by the endless disappointments
- the jv jump that never happened (blame casey)
- t Ross being inconsistent
- norm powell struggling after the big contract
- the pascal bubble struggles...and also missing tons of bunnies near the rim

I don’t think that JV and Pascal belong in that group. JV wasn’t used nearly enough on offense, and Pascal was injured.

I think worst case with Scottie, if he never fully develops a 3 point shot, is we get a bigger Jimmy Butler. Which would not be a bad outcome at all.

There's going to be a lot of guys that will want the ball
- Pascal who's still the first option
- fvv, who said he's willing to reduce his shots but is a bet on yourself type guy in a contract year
- og who like to prove he's more than a role player
- gtj who's a rich Paul client in a contract year
- precious who could make a jump

So there's a lot of guys that may want the ball.

Hopefully, there's a consolidation trade that sets the pecking order straight in scottie favor

But I think onus is on scottie to prove he deserves a bigger role consistently

[vulture]

If the Raptors had some big useless expiring contract to combine with Scottie to trade for KD (with no picks!), otherwise keeping the core in place, would you pull the trigger?

After reading the last page of this thread, definitely not. Before reading it ... I'd think about it.

I've come around on this and would say no. The 13 year age gap is just too much to overcome and if Scottie becomes great then there will be a lot of regret from the organization and the fans. I'm not even sure winning a title with KD changes that imo.

Keep Scottie at all cost and offer pascal instead is where I fall now.

[Los_29]

I just try to avoid being let down by the endless disappointments
- the jv jump that never happened (blame casey)
- t Ross being inconsistent
- norm powell struggling after the big contract
- the pascal bubble struggles...and also missing tons of bunnies near the rim

I don’t think that JV and Pascal belong in that group. JV wasn’t used nearly enough on offense, and Pascal was injured.

I think worst case with Scottie, if he never fully develops a 3 point shot, is we get a bigger Jimmy Butler. Which would not be a bad outcome at all.

There's going to be a lot of guys that will want the ball
- Pascal who's still the first option
- fvv, who said he's willing to reduce his shots but is a bet on yourself type guy in a contract year
- og who like to prove he's more than a role player
- gtj who's a rich Paul client in a contract year
- precious who could make a jump

So there's a lot of guys that may want the ball.

Hopefully, there's a consolidation trade that sets the pecking order straight in scottie favor

But I think onus is on scottie to prove he deserves a bigger role consistently

There are actually numerous studies that indicate that a player’s usage goes down in a contract year not up.

If teams are interested in Fred and/or Gary they wouldn’t be interested in seeing them throw up 20+ shots a game at the expense of winning. They’d want to see them do the things that they are good at but be even better at it.

I’m sure Fred and Gary, and other soon to be free agents are aware of this.

[Raps in 4]

I just try to avoid being let down by the endless disappointments
- the jv jump that never happened (blame casey)
- t Ross being inconsistent
- norm powell struggling after the big contract
- the pascal bubble struggles...and also missing tons of bunnies near the rim

None of those guys were even close to as talented as Scottie.

[Young Moosehead]

I just try to avoid being let down by the endless disappointments
- the jv jump that never happened (blame casey)
- t Ross being inconsistent
- norm powell struggling after the big contract
- the pascal bubble struggles...and also missing tons of bunnies near the rim

Don't worry, notatallahomer, its not as bad as you make it sound.

JV (bulked up under BCo and Casey) and T Ross are a long time ago and missed out on the new development culture. Norm was traded for a better younger player in GTJ. Norm also generally was on a good value contract for most of his career, go back and check the figures.

I find it really hard to take anyone seriously when they talk about "bubble Pascal". It almost feels like a troll position at this point. It is essentially like talking about "13 game Bargnani", like it meant something. I mean, sure, Pascal was All NBA before the bubble, and after, but he did have that tough stretch that lasted couple of months.

[DG88]

All this Scottie content I can't get enough of it. I'm really excited for year 2 Scottie. He's going to surprise people again, he's just way too competitive of person to not be great.

[niQ]

All this Scottie content I can't get enough of it. I'm really excited for year 2 Scottie. He's going to surprise people again, he's just way too competitive of person to not be great.

[anotherhomer]

I just try to avoid being let down by the endless disappointments
- the jv jump that never happened (blame casey)
- t Ross being inconsistent
- norm powell struggling after the big contract
- the pascal bubble struggles...and also missing tons of bunnies near the rim

Don't worry, notatallahomer, its not as bad as you make it sound.

JV (bulked up under BCo and Casey) and T Ross are a long time ago and missed out on the new development culture. Norm was traded for a better younger player in GTJ. Norm also generally was on a good value contract for most of his career, go back and check the figures.

I find it really hard to take anyone seriously when they talk about "bubble Pascal". It almost feels like a troll position at this point. It is essentially like talking about "13 game Bargnani", like it meant something. I mean, sure, Pascal was All NBA before the bubble, and after, but he did have that tough stretch that lasted couple of months.

don't get me wrong....i'm a total homer and would more than love it, if Scottie prove to be the superstar that everyone's hoping to be
but i've seen too many times, ppl been let down.

I mean everyone was recently hoping OG follow the Kawhi 2.0 trajectory
Like it's possible, but more ppl are accepting of the fact that's not likely
He's still a very good player

But ppl have now moved their hope from OG to Scottie to being that superstar
And if Scottie fails, then it's the next shiny toy.

With all that said, Raps got some good players on the team

[Los_29]

I just try to avoid being let down by the endless disappointments
- the jv jump that never happened (blame casey)
- t Ross being inconsistent
- norm powell struggling after the big contract
- the pascal bubble struggles...and also missing tons of bunnies near the rim

Don't worry, notatallahomer, its not as bad as you make it sound.

JV (bulked up under BCo and Casey) and T Ross are a long time ago and missed out on the new development culture. Norm was traded for a better younger player in GTJ. Norm also generally was on a good value contract for most of his career, go back and check the figures.

I find it really hard to take anyone seriously when they talk about "bubble Pascal". It almost feels like a troll position at this point. It is essentially like talking about "13 game Bargnani", like it meant something. I mean, sure, Pascal was All NBA before the bubble, and after, but he did have that tough stretch that lasted couple of months.

don't get me wrong....i'm a total homer and would more than love it, if Scottie prove to be the superstar that everyone's hoping to be
but i've seen too many times, ppl been let down.

I mean everyone was recently hoping OG follow the Kawhi 2.0 trajectory
Like it's possible, but more ppl are accepting of the fact that's not likely
He's still a very good player

But ppl have now moved their hope from OG to Scottie to being that superstar
And if Scottie fails, then it's the next shiny toy.

With all that said, Raps got some good players on the team

Not many people thought that OG would follow the Kawhi trajectory. People were just saying he had more in his bag than being a 10ppg scorer.

And Scottie is 20 years old who just won the ROY in a stacked draft class. He’s obviously on a different trajectory to that of OG.

[raptor jesus]

Scottie listed at 6'7 looked silly the moment he stepped on the court for summer league. To my eye, he appears to be the same size as Birch, who's listed at 6'9.

[CANsportsguru]

I just try to avoid being let down by the endless disappointments
- the jv jump that never happened (blame casey)
- t Ross being inconsistent
- norm powell struggling after the big contract
- the pascal bubble struggles...and also missing tons of bunnies near the rim

Don't worry, notatallahomer, its not as bad as you make it sound.

JV (bulked up under BCo and Casey) and T Ross are a long time ago and missed out on the new development culture. Norm was traded for a better younger player in GTJ. Norm also generally was on a good value contract for most of his career, go back and check the figures.

I find it really hard to take anyone seriously when they talk about "bubble Pascal". It almost feels like a troll position at this point. It is essentially like talking about "13 game Bargnani", like it meant something. I mean, sure, Pascal was All NBA before the bubble, and after, but he did have that tough stretch that lasted couple of months.

don't get me wrong....i'm a total homer and would more than love it, if Scottie prove to be the superstar that everyone's hoping to be
but i've seen too many times, ppl been let down.

I mean everyone was recently hoping OG follow the Kawhi 2.0 trajectory
Like it's possible, but more ppl are accepting of the fact that's not likely
He's still a very good player

But ppl have now moved their hope from OG to Scottie to being that superstar
And if Scottie fails, then it's the next shiny toy.

With all that said, Raps got some good players on the team

You can't compare Scottie to OG it's just not fair to OG. Scottie in his his rookie year was more impactful than OG ever was. That's no disrespect to OG it's more of a compliment to how surprising Scottie was in year 1. Scottie's ceiling is SuperStar potential / top 10 player ...

[Raptolicism]

I don't see this article https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-scottie-barnes-exlusive-look-summer-offseason-workouts?s=09 by Aaron Rose posted anywhere, with some interesting content from Scottie's trainer:

What have you and Scottie been up to this summer?

We've just been refining his game, getting him better offensively in the half-court as far as giving him go-to moves to get to. Our main goal is just to get him to be a lot more efficient in the half-court and, of course, working on his jump shot. He's been progressing well. I think the first month after the season he made a big leap, like, he jumped right into it right after the season. So he made a big jump there...

So right now, he's way better. Like the workout that we had two days ago was the best workout that he's ever had with me.

How so?

He moves as efficiently on the basketball court through his moves as good as any guard in the NBA. My point of view is there's nobody his size that can move the way that he moves on the basketball court with the ball. His handles and footwork are like crazy, crazy, crazy. They're already really good, but now it's, like, it's amazing. His jump shot is really coming along. He's way more consistent with his jump shot. His mid-post turnarounds both ways, those are, like, he's gonna make a lot of those. Like, those are going to be like his money shots. Especially when he gets switches on smaller guys. So I think he'll just be able to get downhill a lot easier than he was and he put on like 10 pounds. So he's like 235 (pounds). He's like 235, 6% body fat. So he's a perfect, like, he looks like a created player.

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