Jonas Valanciunas 11/12 Season Thread II

[RaptorReloaded]

Tim Duncan will be known as the black Jonas

[Laowai]

I have very little doubts that JV will be a top 10 C in the NBA his 1st year.
Likely top 3 in the East.
Yes he is going to have bad games but he will be 12 plus in points and 8 to 10 in RPG with a couple of blocks.
Reasons he will get to the line 4 to 5 times a game and as we all know he is a efficient foul shooter which most Cs aren't.
He should work well with AB helping to stretch the floor.
His rebounding mechanics are very good and his blocking of shots as far as positioning has improved.
He also has been getting less fouls which may be his biggest problem his 1st year.

[dagger]

People are putting too much on the kid, he'll only be 20 next season. I've been his biggest booster but give him a few years to fully develop. All the things he has to learn, the additions of strength needed, it's going to take a few years. I expect him to be a good rookie, but let's not annoint him God just yet.

[Relentless88]

People are putting too much on the kid, he'll only be 20 next season. I've been his biggest booster but give him a few years to fully develop. All the things he has to learn, the additions of strength needed, it's going to take a few years. I expect him to be a good rookie, but let's not annoint him God just yet.

+1

Learning the 5 in the NBA is not easy. It'll take him a few years, but I think he'll at least be a solid centre to start.

[Pseudonym]

I have very little doubts that JV will be a top 10 C in the NBA his 1st year.
Likely top 3 in the East.

Dude....I wanted him over Irving during the draft, but you're really, really, really, overestimating the guy. He's going to be a 7 foot Amir his first year with us. Not the one we have now that's highly effective and a great all-around player when healthy, but more like his first season, effective WHEN he's in the game, but extremely foul prone and overpowered easily.

[UcanUwill]

He can easily end up being a major foul prone. Just look at Pekovic, and Jonas is even worse... His elbows, moving screens, overhustle and over the back fouls. With todays NBA politics, he can end up with numerous technical fouls, basically just because of his famous intimidation after call routine or hanging on the rim.

He will struggle on defense. His defense is extremely inconsistent, help d is way off at times and 3 second rule will take a lot of time to adapt... Not to mention he will be overpowered all the time.

[[SJJ]]

People are putting too much on the kid, he'll only be 20 next season. I've been his biggest booster but give him a few years to fully develop. All the things he has to learn, the additions of strength needed, it's going to take a few years. I expect him to be a good rookie, but let's not annoint him God just yet.

Basically what I've been saying for a while. I'm a very big fan of Val even before the draft and thinks he has all-stat potential but we can't expect him to avg 15, 10, and 2blks his very first year in the league. If he does he obviously becomes our franchise player and one of the most attractive young prospects of the past five years.

If Jonas can come in and play an efficient brand of basketball on offense, solid defense, and work hard then I won't be disappointed. I wouldn't be shocked/bitter if he averaged something like 8pts, 7rpg, and 1bpg his rookie year which would frankly be great for a rookie center picked 5th in one of the weakest drafts in recent memory.

[Laowai]

I have very little doubts that JV will be a top 10 C in the NBA his 1st year.
Likely top 3 in the East.

Dude....I wanted him over Irving during the draft, but you're really, really, really, overestimating the guy. He's going to be a 7 foot Amir his first year with us. Not the one we have now that's highly effective and a great all-around player when healthy, but more like his first season, effective WHEN he's in the game, but extremely foul prone and overpowered easily.

Like Dagger I was his earliest supporter in getting him where I disagree with dagger is his initial impact.
The East has terrible Cs other than Dwight who may not even be in the East next year.
Next best is Horford after that are you pick the order Noah/Chandler and both lets be real about it are very pedestrian both defensive without offense. I think even in his 1st year JV will be good as good or almost as good defensively and better offensively.

[Salted Meat]

i think it'll all depend on who he's playing with next season. Certain guys will help him more than others in making the transition, and whoever we draft will go a long way in helping facilitate Val's growth, by allowing him to play to his strengths.

I think if we don't luck out on Davis or Drummond, I think adding a shooter like Barnes to a front court with Bargnani could really open up space in the paint for Jonas to move around the basket, clean up missed shots, and use his agility to cut to the hoop and run the pick & roll.

[UcanUwill]

Like Dagger I was his earliest supporter in getting him where I disagree with dagger is his initial impact.
The East has terrible Cs other than Dwight who may not even be in the East next year.
Next best is Horford after that are you pick the order Noah/Chandler and both lets be real about it are very pedestrian both defensive without offense. I think even in his 1st year JV will be good as good or almost as good defensively and better offensively.

He is nowhere close of being as good as Noah defensively...


And east is full of good centers. They are just not hyped...

Ok, Al Horford, Joakhim Noah, Tyson Chandler... then

Spencer Hawes is decent and extremely versatile 11/8.5/2.5

Andrew Bogut D'uh

Anderson Varejao one of the best defensive players, who averaging 11/12/1.7

Roy Hibbert Potential all-star, 7'2, 14/10/2

Greg Monroe 16.3/10/2.5 this year, already best player on his team

Just thinking that Jonas will come over and will instantly be better than any of those guys is a incredible reach...

[wanker]

Like Dagger I was his earliest supporter in getting him where I disagree with dagger is his initial impact.
The East has terrible Cs other than Dwight who may not even be in the East next year.
Next best is Horford after that are you pick the order Noah/Chandler and both lets be real about it are very pedestrian both defensive without offense. I think even in his 1st year JV will be good as good or almost as good defensively and better offensively.

Wow! You are a space cadet. JV better than Noah/Chandler in his first year? JV in his prime will not be Tyson Chandler (defensively). In his first year, JV will be lucky to stay on the floor for more than 20-25 minutes before fouling out.

[Tenacious_C]

JV is going to be a rookie Center in the NBA. Look for him to foul out until the refs deem that he has payed his dues.

He does look promising; so let's be patient.

[Dalek]

I see Jonas in his first year to be like Timofey Mozgov is now. About 5 pts and 5 rebs 1 blk and 2.5 fouls per game in about 18 mins. They are both very similar type of energy players with Jonas having more upside and Mozgov having more bulk right now. If you look at their Eurobasket stats they were also near identical (about 8 pts 4 rebs and a 1 block).

I think other posters highlighted the huge changes in store including the moving screens, three in the key, offensive goal-tending which needs acclimatizing to. In addition, he is a foreign rookie who will have to get his team and refs respect to be on the court more.

I like having Aaron Gray/Amir around as a back up so there isn't a lot of pressure on him right away.

[dagger]

Like Dagger I was his earliest supporter in getting him where I disagree with dagger is his initial impact.
The East has terrible Cs other than Dwight who may not even be in the East next year.
Next best is Horford after that are you pick the order Noah/Chandler and both lets be real about it are very pedestrian both defensive without offense. I think even in his 1st year JV will be good as good or almost as good defensively and better offensively.

He is nowhere close of being as good as Noah defensively...


And east is full of good centers. They are just not hyped...

Ok, Al Horford, Joakhim Noah, Tyson Chandler... then

Spencer Hawes is decent and extremely versatile 11/8.5/2.5

Andrew Bogut D'uh

Anderson Varejao one of the best defensive players, who averaging 11/12/1.7

Roy Hibbert Potential all-star, 7'2, 14/10/2

Greg Monroe 16.3/10/2.5 this year, already best player on his team

Just thinking that Jonas will come over and will instantly be better than any of those guys is a incredible reach...

Listen I buy the argument, but you're doing a not so bad job of making his.

He can do well as a rookie, I'm just arguing not to elevate him to the Hall of Fame even before he arrives. On the other hand, he's going to arrive in the league having faced much better competition, especially if Luthania qualifies for the Olympics - which it should. I've always felt how well he does as a rookie will depend on our point guard situation and how the coaches decide to use him. He's capable of a mid-range game, and I bet he can make a nice living with a 10 foot baseline jumper if they choose to use him that way in addition to pick and roll.

[raptor21_85]

Idk, I guess he will be a nice player. Remember that all eyes of Lituania are on him.. I also like his attitude, I remember i read somewhere that his favourite player is Sabonis. thats a nice example to follow, Arvidas was always a pro, shame he was too injured in the NBA..
I know have to be patience, but we're really desperate to compete again, want it or not, Big V will have pressure in his rookie season to impact in our team. We the fanbase are desperate to win, Bargnani is desperate to win, and its notlike we're a small market team. We are fans of a team of one of the best cities in the world!!! Oth, we really need a SF, what would be better, drafting Davis or Barnes (if having the chance to choice)??

[NiL8r87]

Idk, I guess he will be a nice player. Remember that all eyes of Lituania are on him.. I also like his attitude, I remember i read somewhere that his favourite player is Sabonis. thats a nice example to follow, Arvidas was always a pro, shame he was too injured in the NBA..
I know have to be patience, but we're really desperate to compete again, want it or not, Big V will have pressure in his rookie season to impact in our team. We the fanbase are desperate to win, Bargnani is desperate to win, and its notlike we're a small market team. We are fans of a team of one of the best cities in the world!!! Oth, we really need a SF, what would be better, drafting Davis or Barnes (if having the chance to choice)??

I bet every Lithuanian player's favorite player is Sabonis.

[rmnts]

it's Arvydas, not Arvidas.

[sisibilio]

Jonas really coming into his own athletically. even his shotblocking technique is starting to look decent.

Regarding whether Jonas can get his offensive game off in the NBA, he will have bigger players bodying him up and challenging his shots but he does such a good job keeping the ball high and protected and shooting with a flick of the wrist (ala Tim Duncan). very difficult to challenge his shot around the basket.

And that's something a guy like Bynum didn't do consistently until 2 or 3 years ago for instance. when you watch him paly you can see he's fundamentally sound, only lacking some additional strenght to be able to impose himself in the post but that will come.

Valanciunas is going to be white Tim Duncan

Cmon, don't be eridiculous.

He's obviously gonna be da white Howard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3UMO-TkE

[Laowai]

Like Dagger I was his earliest supporter in getting him where I disagree with dagger is his initial impact.
The East has terrible Cs other than Dwight who may not even be in the East next year.
Next best is Horford after that are you pick the order Noah/Chandler and both lets be real about it are very pedestrian both defensive without offense. I think even in his 1st year JV will be good as good or almost as good defensively and better offensively.

Wow! You are a space cadet. JV better than Noah/Chandler in his first year? JV in his prime will not be Tyson Chandler (defensively). In his first year, JV will be lucky to stay on the floor for more than 20-25 minutes before fouling out.

Andrew Bogut D'uh Bogut is becoming Oden don't consider him a top C anymore.
Chandler has had one really good year last year with NYKs back to being average
Noah has good defense injury prone he is terrible offensively.

If I'm wrong the 1st to say so.
Won't hide

[UcanUwill]

Idk, I guess he will be a nice player. Remember that all eyes of Lituania are on him.. I also like his attitude, I remember i read somewhere that his favourite player is Sabonis. thats a nice example to follow, Arvidas was always a pro, shame he was too injured in the NBA..
I know have to be patience, but we're really desperate to compete again, want it or not, Big V will have pressure in his rookie season to impact in our team. We the fanbase are desperate to win, Bargnani is desperate to win, and its notlike we're a small market team. We are fans of a team of one of the best cities in the world!!! Oth, we really need a SF, what would be better, drafting Davis or Barnes (if having the chance to choice)??

I believe Dwight Howard is his favorite player. Yes, Sabonis also, but he is like everyones favorite player over there. All Lithuanian players idolizing Sabonis. This is the very reason why Ilgauskas, Kleiza are wearing number 11.