Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[ATLTimekeeper]

I'm watching the Magic-Heat game, and just watching LeBron James getting in the paint at will with that brute strength really makes me think Harrison Barnes is the guy for the Raptors. He's already got an NBA frame to defend the elite wing players along with a solid offensive game.

Ya but to me Barnes isn't the type to attack the paint like LeBron.
Barnes likes to stay at the 3 point line.

He's saying that he thinks he's strong enough to guard LeBron, not that he plays like LeBron on offense.

[DG88]

I'm pretty sure BC has Anthony Davis at the top of his draft board right now. After that I believe Barnes, MKG, Beal and Lamb would be the guys he'd go after in this draft.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Barnes' got great body but I'd like to see more from him defensively. MKG is the better defender IMO.

I don't even think it's questionable. MKG routinely takes out the oppositions best player or point guard. Barnes looks like he could be a good defender.

[Al_Oliver]

I've been on the Quincy Miller bandwagon from day 1 but there's no doubt about it, Barnes jumper is smoother. It should be a weapon of his in the NBA.

But if we're talking star potential, Miller has much more of it. His defense is worse than Barnes but Miller's handles are much better. Scott Drew is an idiot and refuses to run the offense through Miller so you don't get to see it but he shows flashes and with some polish, I think he can be a great NBAer. A guy who can take your last shot and be a go-to guy offensively. Ball-handling is a skill that usually separates good players from just average. His game has never been reliant on speed or explosiveness either. He's very long and deceptive His mechanics aren't as good as Barnes but also Quincy is the better rebounder.

So depending on where we land in the draft and who's available, I wouldn't mind a trade down to pick up extra pieces going forward.

He reminds me of as a poorer Melo with better passing.

who's coming off a serious knee injury

[Marlo Stanfield]

He reminds me of as a poorer Melo with better passing.

who's coming off a serious knee injury

Send him to Germany. Game. Set. Match.

[AirCanada]

Harrison Barnes.

[draft]

Barnes = Danny Granger
MKG = Gerald Wallace

That's how I see them. Barnes would be a better fit on this team imo.

[Rapsfan07]

Hey, I don't got a problem with Barnes. If he's on the board, I've got no problem drafting him.

If for whatever reason we fall in the draft, I'd like Miller. Sure he's coming off an injury. It's not career-ending or threatening and he's still got some really good stills. Obviously it's going to depend a lot on workouts, measurements, drills etc.

[ansoncarter]

I'm watching the Magic-Heat game, and just watching LeBron James getting in the paint at will with that brute strength really makes me think Harrison Barnes is the guy for the Raptors. He's already got an NBA frame to defend the elite wing players along with a solid offensive game.

Ya but to me Barnes isn't the type to attack the paint like LeBron.
Barnes likes to stay at the 3 point line.

He's saying that he thinks he's strong enough to guard LeBron, not that he plays like LeBron on offense.

not just lebron either, think size and strength might be more important against anybody. One-on-one perimeter d is mostly about steering people anyways, nobody can keep their man from at least getting to the side of them. Once they do it's more helpful to have strength than quicks. Strength is becoming the new speed imo

like rookie demar after bouncing off dwyane wade all game, complaining about how strong Wade was. Didn't mention Wade's speed, or his first step. Just said how strong wade is.

[[SJJ]]

I think Anthony Davis and Harrison Barnes are at the top of BC's list. I'd be absolutely delighted with either of them but I can also say the same thing about MKG and Beal.

[Al_Oliver]

He reminds me of as a poorer Melo with better passing.

who's coming off a serious knee injury

Send him to Germany. Game. Set. Match.

nice

[fredericklove]

I like lambs game... But why does every picture of him looks like a kid with down syndrome?

that's pretty mean, bro.

[fredericklove]

We really need to escape this draft with one of Barnes and MKG.

Seriously what makes Barnes any better than Quincy Miller?

If you gave Miller another year he could probably put up the same stats.

Barnes/Miller - A more advanced perimeter game/a more tweener type game, better shooting touch/weird shooting mechanics though decent but hasn't shown much pull off jumper I've only seen it once, has more advanced moves/relies on length too much, hasn't shown consistent perimeter game, won't be a defensive liability/a defensive liability., a prototypical small forward/a tweener, I can go on and on.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I have Q at the top of my Raptors draft board, but it's wishful thinking because BC fears guys with balls. It would turn him off of Harrison if the guy didn't have a buttery jump shot.

[fredericklove]

Actually, Barnes' jumper is very smooth. He routinely has his shoulders squared to the basket, fully extends that shooting arm, has a high arc and great rotation shooting the ball, holds his follow-through, and good lift on the jumper. Quincy Miller is much better creating off the dribble, but his shot is really flat.

Totally agree. When I look at Harry, he has flaws in his perimeter game (sometimes he's too eager to pull up for low percentage shot), but its weird how TY has criticism on his jumper where most scouts and alot of us praise on that about Barnes, dude has a perfect textbook jump-shooting form (spot up or off the dribble or hand in the face, he'll never change his "shoulders squared" form. Like you said, Qmiller's jumpers are weird, whenever I watch Baylor game I always question about his release like how is he going to shoot over someone? The only thing I like though, is when he's open and shoots that 3 pointer, its automatic. I rarely see him miss wide open 3s.

[fredericklove]

I don't feel like there's a good comparison for Quincy Miller in the NBA at this point (unless I'm forgetting someone). The closest thing is Kevin Durant because of the height, handle and jump shot but that's pretty far off at this point.

Before college, I saw poor man's KD comparison, but now in college I see Odom as a closer comparison, both uses length really well, has capable handles, crafty once they are in the key, they are just so similar. And both have all around game too. So I see Odom upside, that is no chump. That's a very good compliment from me.

[fredericklove]

I'm watching the Magic-Heat game, and just watching LeBron James getting in the paint at will with that brute strength really makes me think Harrison Barnes is the guy for the Raptors. He's already got an NBA frame to defend the elite wing players along with a solid offensive game.

Barnes can absorb contacts...but there's always going to be a knock on his lack of quickness. It's tougher for him cos everytime he goes in the paint he worries about getting striped so he consciously has to remind himself to protect the ball. For Lebron, he's not just with brute strength he's got combination of brute strength and quickness...he doesn't need to consciously protect the ball cos he knows once he drives, there's no stopping him. So quick so strong, so scary.

[fredericklove]

Barnes' got great body but I'd like to see more from him defensively. MKG is the better defender IMO.

Barnes' footwork is solid, and got long arms to bother the defender, these are his traits on d...man to man d is solid but sometimes I question his weakside D. I've seen a couple of weakside block shot here and there but he just focuses too much on his own defender while neglect other guys.

MKG is just ...insane. Superb man-to-man defender, so quick to the help d...his defensive IQ is just off the chart.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Barnes looks like a heck of a weak-side prospect. I know people really, really want him to be a 1st option and are looking/wishing very hard for evidence of that game in his, but there's no way IMO. He's a single threat in college though a very good one.

Q is a 1st option prospect, a triple-threat who could be a weak-side player as a worst-case. Not as good of an off-ball prospect as Barnes, and therefore a lower floor, but he can still shoot it from range off the catch at 6'9-6'10. Sorry, GIF-tits, but Odom is an awful comp.

It depends on what you need and where you are as a team if you're drafting to keep, but if you're considering trades, Barnes would have a bigger market as he could immediately help a contender as a shooter. If Barnes were on the board at our pick I'd be working the phones to trade it/him, but I wouldn't take him higher than 6 or 7 as a keeper.

[SkywalkerAC]

Odom can't shoot from range off the catch?