Semi-OT: Suns looking to trade Markieff Morris

[Zeno]

Hey guys, went over to the Suns board.

Asked them about a potential deal Markieff Morris from the raps and what they would want back.

One poster said Ross + Patterson for Morris. Yay or nay? What you guys think?

If they want Ross + Patterson then they can settle for Ross + JJ + pick.

Would take PJ Tucker back too.

Morris [8] + Tucker [5.5] for Ross [3.5] + JJ [2.5] + BeBe [1.8] + 2017 LAC Pick.

13.5 Coming In, 7.8 Going out. IIRC, it's something like 150% + $100,000 or something? I Could be wrong though.

We need a replacement for JJ, and Tucker would work out nicely for that.

You math is incorrect. 7.8 X 1.5 = 11.7 +.1 =11.8 million coming back max in trade.

[Raptorfan2012]

Lowry plays with Morris in Philly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0BTl3dJzD0

[deeps6x]

Just NO! Jones is our man. Get er done Masai.

[Zeno]

I'd offer Patterson alone tops, no pick. If he is being traded for issues, they have to take a hit in talent. Morris is definitely the better defender of the two and overall player. But Patterson is the better shooter which we need and I'm not a fan of tough guys who play soft and kick people on the ground...allegedly so I'd pass personally.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Acquire Markieff Morris and Wilson Chandler/Kevin Martin, and call it an offseason.

Lowry/Joseph
DeRozan/Martin
Carroll/Ja. Johnson
Morris/Patterson
Valanciunas/Biyombo

Why acquire Wilson Chandler if his not even going to make 10 man rotation.

I think he meant chandler or Martin. Which is weird because they're very different.

Well, my main thought process there is that we need one more cog coming off the bench, more of a sure thing than a guy like Terrence Ross, who I presume we'll trade for that coveted PF. Chandler and Martin both are experienced, and can score the basketball at a pretty good rate. That's all I was saying there.

[becausephilchow]

If they want Ross + Patterson then they can settle for Ross + JJ + pick.

Would take PJ Tucker back too.

Morris [8] + Tucker [5.5] for Ross [3.5] + JJ [2.5] + BeBe [1.8] + 2017 LAC Pick.

13.5 Coming In, 7.8 Going out. IIRC, it's something like 150% + $100,000 or something? I Could be wrong though.

We need a replacement for JJ, and Tucker would work out nicely for that.

You math is incorrect. 7.8 X 1.5 = 11.7 +.1 =11.8 million coming back max in trade.

Whoops! I'm an idiot, didn't even bother checking. In that case, that means that we would have to trade Patterson, then no thanks.

I think Patterson is the perfect backup big to be next to Biyombo, as he can stretch the floor, and allow Joseph/Wright to slash and take it to the rack.

[Jermaine OBosh]

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[DreamTeam09]

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Does that tweet mean that they are trying to trade Morris for Anderson or r they trying to get Anderson, and wanna dump Morris before. Because why would the Pelicans trade Anderson for Morris, practically the same player but Anderson is the better shooter.

[deeps6x]

Good, flip him for Anderson.

Everyone talking about giving up the Knicks pick plus Ross plus 2Pat should have their heads examined. I wouldn't give up 2Pat or the knicks pick. I might do Ross, Ridnour's voidable contract and some cap space to absorb him, but ONLY if Masai can't make a deal for Jones.

Houston wants Josh Smith back. They need to trade a PF to make it happen. They need more guards. Ross for Jones straight up makes too much sense for both. Don't know why it hasn't happened yet. (Smith asking for the moon no doubt)

[Rapsobsessed7]

im intrigued. Heres what i think we have to come to grips with is that all the PFs available aren't going to be perfect fits. There is a reason as to why they are available in trade talks.

Morris

Gibson

Faried

Jones

all have positives and negatives to them. For me it comes down to one thing, acquisition cost. As long as the NYK pick is retained I'm happy to trot out any of the 4 above for whichever i can get the cheapest.

[Mr Puddles]

Hi rap fans, just thought I'd chip in here having watched all of Markeiff's games last season:

The Good:

Mid-range scorer: when he's on, he can look unstoppable at times.
Really good passer for his position
Uses his quickness well both offensively and defensively
Very good down the stretch, was one of the better clutch players last season
His contract is an absolute bargain

The Bad:

Not great size for a power forward
Can knock down the 3 point shot at times, but not well enough to be labeled a stretch 4. Opposing defenses would leave him open on purpose at times - challenging him to shoot the three.
Tends to disappear at times, will give you 30 points on 60% shooting one night, and 8 on 30% the next

The Ugly

Horrendous defensive rebounder, doesn't box out.
A technical foul waiting to happen
Doesn't look well defensively again bigger/ stronger players
Has had off the court issues this offseason

The "ugly" kind of culminates into Markeiff Morris being a player who put on a tough guy facade (technical fouls, trash talking etc.), but then gets man handled on the glass and in the paint. This was probably the biggest point of frustration many Suns fans had with him last year.

Overall, Markeiff kind of fits the label too good to be a backup, not good enough to be a starter. He would work well next to a center who could cover his weaknesses.

Can he play SF?

Suns never really played Markeiff at the SF spot, but our SF rotation was pretty deep and were lacking PFs so there wasn't really any need. I'd say Markeiff is not a good enough 3 point shooter and is probably not quick enough to successfully cover opposing SFs for large periods of time. He does defend the pick and roll well, so he an definitely quick enough to stick with wing players for periods of time. On offense, his back to the basket game would definitely create mismatches though.

[Mr_NC]

At this point I wouldn't mind him, I'd take him over Carlos and 1 boozer that's for sure

[Jermaine OBosh]

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Does that tweet mean that they are trying to trade Morris for Anderson or r they trying to get Anderson, and wanna dump Morris before. Because why would the Pelicans trade Anderson for Morris, practically the same player but Anderson is the better shooter.

May be because Markieff is on a good contract for next 4 yrs and on the other hand, Anderson contract will expire next year and he may demand more money.

[TD224490]

Acquire Markieff Morris and Wilson Chandler/Kevin Martin, and call it an offseason.

Lowry/Joseph
DeRozan/Martin
Carroll/Ja. Johnson
Morris/Patterson
Valanciunas/Biyombo

We are never getting Kevin Martin. We just signed Corey Joseph for 8 million.

[Zeno]

Anderson had an off year shooting and has been injured a lot. This would be a fan appeasement move by Pheonix where they can create space, look like they are giving it the good college try next year but secretly tank due to the bad luck of injuries and things generally not working out as planned.

[bwgood77]

I'd offer Patterson alone tops, no pick. If he is being traded for issues, they have to take a hit in talent. Morris is definitely the better defender of the two and overall player. But Patterson is the better shooter which we need and I'm not a fan of tough guys who play soft and kick people on the ground...allegedly so I'd pass personally.

I don't know much about Patterson, but if he is somewhat comparable, and can hit the 3, even if his defense is worse, that might be worthy (if the Suns FO really wants to trade him...don't think it would be enough though). Most Suns fans would not like that idea I'm guessing. Our D could take a hit..Kieff isn't that great of a defender and with Tyson Chandler, Bledsoe and Tucker, we would have very good defenders at 3 of 5 spots.

[Patman]

He'd be a really good fit, keeps Pat Patterson in his normal role off the bench.

He's great at riding the pine.

Lmaooo

[Rapsobsessed7]

I'd offer Patterson alone tops, no pick. If he is being traded for issues, they have to take a hit in talent. Morris is definitely the better defender of the two and overall player. But Patterson is the better shooter which we need and I'm not a fan of tough guys who play soft and kick people on the ground...allegedly so I'd pass personally.

I don't know much about Patterson, but if he is somewhat comparable, and can hit the 3, even if his defense is worse, that might be worthy (if the Suns FO really wants to trade him...don't think it would be enough though). Most Suns fans would not like that idea I'm guessing. Our D could take a hit..Kieff isn't that great of a defender and with Tyson Chandler, Bledsoe and Tucker, we would have very good defenders at 3 of 5 spots.

don't see us doing that to be honest (Patterson for Markeiff). With the criminal charges pending over his head its too big a risk for us and Patt does exactly what we need him to do.

Personally i don't see a deal unless its a 3 team trade that brings you back a 4 because just like us you are short in that position.

[RealityIsDemar]

I really don't know what you're talking about.. He's not a very good fit for this team. He's too much like Patterson. Morris is a great shooter (50.31% 8-16 feet is 2nd highest for a PF in the league under only Ppat) and 40% 16-24 feet to go along with 31% from 3. No question he's a good shooter and a good fit in that sense, but he's a terrible rebounder. Only 6.2/game, but more importantly he gets 56.5% of his chances at the rebound which is average but an atrocious 36% contested rebound %. He wouldn't help our problem for defensive rebounding infact he would make it worse. Also, he is a defensive liability. He gets good steal numbers (1.2/game) but allows 52.4% FG% at the rim to go along with only .5 BPG. He is a poor fit next to Val defensively which would overall make our frontcourt unsustainable defensively. Not a good fit at all.

Bregdrin, please tell me what what website you used to get those stats. My dude went in right there. Lock this thread lol

NBA.com/stats switch the setting to advanced has some nice rebounding and defensive stats.
http://nbasavant.com/shot_search.php is the best for shooting analytics and such.
http://courtvisionanalytics.com/ is another good stat site.

[bigmandinky]

I do prefer him over 2pat for sure, but no way should we give up the Knicks pick. That thing could be top 5-10 easily, and could very well end up being our best asset. Clips pick is a different story, but obviously Masai needs to make sure he's got enough bigs in the rotation before he can target just one player.

However, if we do end up playing carrol extended minutes at the 4, PF rotation of Carrol 15/Morris 28 / Bismack 5
would be pretty interesting if we do end up playing a lot of small ball.