Thank Nation! Pre-Lottery: Denver 9th, NY pick 7th (PART 4)

[T-d0t]

anyone have an updated mock?

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/04/06/nba-draft-prospects-rankings-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-jamal-murray

updated a day ago.. SI.. so ..ya

Interesting picks.. Jaylen Brown @ 9 would be a steal but not happening.

[Lunchpailhero1]

anyone have an updated mock?

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/04/06/nba-draft-prospects-rankings-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram-jamal-murray

updated a day ago.. SI.. so ..ya

Interesting picks.. Jaylen Brown @ 9 would be a steal but not happening.

ya.. anything can happen in this draft after simmons, ingram, buddy, dunn and bender are picked.

[Risk101]

A lot of similiraties in CB's offense to Skals back in his college days. If molded correctly that would be a steal in the draft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdL6FZSL_bs
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=skal+labissiere+offense

[GeordieRaptor]

Playoffs and a top 10 pick this is a dream right?

[primopastalove2]

According to u/waswereual from reddit we currently have a

0.15% at getting 2nd
0.39% at getting 3rd
4.82% at getting 8th
82.05% at getting 9th
12.22% at getting 10th
0.38% at getting 11th
0.003% at getting 12th

[Ell Curry]

Luwawu is not a top 10 pick, and at best duplicates what we already have with Powell, Ross and Bruno. Another prospect being overhyped based on highlight videos against scrubs. Not BPA and doesn't even fill a need = no thanks.

Could argue he'd be the 3 of the future and that we need one sooner rather than later with Carroll's injury issues meaning he might be injured or better suited to guarding 4s if his mobility is at all reduced. Luwawu has a 7' wingspan and seems to be a good 3pt shooter. Say he gets picked and is an okay bench player as a rookie and starts by the end of year 2:

Lowry-DeRozan-Luwawu-Carroll-JV
Joseph-Ross-Powell-Patterson-Biyombo
Wright-Bruno

looks a balanced, small ball team with tons of shooting and decent trade flexibility if Wright surpasses Joseph or Bruno is something.

Obviously if he's not that good then whatever, but I do think he fits the team just fine. Anyone bigger than Powell/Ross that can play D, move their feet and hit 3s does, really. We're about to need to guard Paul George or Tobias Harris for a series and in theory he profiles as a good fit for that role.

[Saciid11]

The way I see it if Jamal Murray, Hield and Jaylen Brown are all gone and we can't trade up then Masia should just trade down the pick for team with multiple picks in around 15 to 20 ... If we can't trade down to draft Thon Maker, then we should just use our top 10 pick on him. I would rather draft Thon Maker then any of the power forward or Centers in this draft ... 7 footer who moves like Thon Maker is tailor made for today's fast tempo game... We have d league team, we are playoff team so we can afford to Wait on him develop his game and body ...

[sweetcity]

Is Thon Maker really that good?

[deeps6x]

According to u/waswereual from reddit we currently have a

0.15% at getting 2nd
0.39% at getting 3rd
4.82% at getting 8th
82.05% at getting 9th
12.22% at getting 10th
0.38% at getting 11th
0.003% at getting 12th

Yep, I was just going to post that we have a better chance of falling back than moving up to 2nd or 3rd. You beat me to it.

[Saciid11]

Is Thon Maker really that good?

None of the bigs in the draft are good, at least with Thon Maker you 19 year old 7 ft who moves like small forward... has little bit of perimeter game, can handle the ball pretty good for player his size, plays with allot of energy unlike Skal ... With the 10th pick why wouldn't you take risk on Thon Maker if the sure fire stars are gone... Murray, Simmons,Ingram, Hield, Jaylen Brown ....

[deeps6x]

Luwawu is not a top 10 pick, and at best duplicates what we already have with Powell, Ross and Bruno. Another prospect being overhyped based on highlight videos against scrubs. Not BPA and doesn't even fill a need = no thanks.

Could argue he'd be the 3 of the future and that we need one sooner rather than later with Carroll's injury issues meaning he might be injured or better suited to guarding 4s if his mobility is at all reduced. Luwawu has a 7' wingspan and seems to be a good 3pt shooter. Say he gets picked and is an okay bench player as a rookie and starts by the end of year 2:

Lowry-DeRozan-Luwawu-Carroll-JV
Joseph-Ross-Powell-Patterson-Biyombo
Wright-Bruno

looks a balanced, small ball team with tons of shooting and decent trade flexibility if Wright surpasses Joseph or Bruno is something.

Obviously if he's not that good then whatever, but I do think he fits the team just fine. Anyone bigger than Powell/Ross that can play D, move their feet and hit 3s does, really. We're about to need to guard Paul George or Tobias Harris for a series and in theory he profiles as a good fit for that role.

Sorry noodles, Skal is NOT the pick. Even Thon is a better long term lottery ticket type of pick.

As for Luwawu, he does have a lot of hand/body size/reach/speed kind of potential, but as a shooter there are many that are better in this draft. If he can give you 75% of what Carrol can in his first season, and 85% in his second, then hell yes, he is a decent pick. You would have the good option of saving $14M to $25Mish by trading away Carroll before his contract expires. That said, we have nobody ready to be our starting PF replacement, and we aren't drafting a starting PF either, but we sure as hell need to get one into our system to be next season's backup PF to 2Pat and then pray he is good enough to make the leap to starter the following season - or else we will have to resign 2Pat as our 2017/2018 starter (and trade him later). Plus, we need starters who can pass the ball. The future is made for teams like Golden State and the Spurs who can make 6 crisp passes to find/create the wide open man for the easy wide open shot. We need to become one of those teams. Right now, we aren't even close to that. Watch the Toronto/Atlanta game tonight, then switch over and watch how the game is supposed to be played when GS/SA takes place.

Sure, DD might have added an assist or two per game this year and Kyle ... well, remember two seasons ago when Kyle was getting 7.4 assists per game? He is already down to 6.4 this season. And at his age, ... well I just hope he ages better than Jameer Nelson. Jameer was great, all-star consideration year after year - until he hit 30 years old. Then his game just fell off a cliff. And Jameer, like Kyle, didn't have a size advantage, a speed advantage, his game was based on brains and touch. Knowing where he needed to be on the court in every instance, and beautiful touch passing and shooting. But the body breaks down. The mind breaks down. You wake up one day and realize that the young punks are blowing by you and blocking all of your shots. Well guess what kids. Kyle is 30 now. If Masai is smart, he probably doesn't max him after he has turned 31. We need to start looking for his replacement NOW.

We need to take a PF for sure, and a player who can play PG or SG would be an ideal pick up. Those are our immediate needs.

I've now witnessed a two game sample where Wright has shown flashes of being a passing PG who can also score and defend. A very small sample size. I truly hope that Casey plays him a ton these last few games. We may need to decide to pick a PG or an SF to go along with a PF this draft. A larger sample size could really help with that choice.

[MikeM]

According to u/waswereual from reddit we currently have a

0.15% at getting 2nd
0.39% at getting 3rd
4.82% at getting 8th
82.05% at getting 9th
12.22% at getting 10th
0.38% at getting 11th
0.003% at getting 12th

Who would have ever thought we would trade Bargnani for a 0.39% chance at the 3rd pick.

[sweetcity]

so people are pro Thon Maker over guys like Luwawu?

[S.W.A.N]

so people are pro Thon Maker over guys like Luwawu?

F No!!

Thon can be option A for our own pick. Luwawu is right at top of the mix for Knick pick. Huge difference.

I'd still take Sabonis over Thon 6-7 times.

[nabbs]

so people are pro Thon Maker over guys like Luwawu?

I certainly hope not. Luwawu has at least played in a pro league.

[Saciid11]

so people are pro Thon Maker over guys like Luwawu?

F No!!

Thon can be option A for our own pick. Luwawu is right at top of the mix for Knick pick. Huge difference.

I'd still take Sabonis over Thon 6-7 times.

Thon Maker won't be there when we are picking and Luwawu is nothing special ... At least Thon Maker has the highest potential in this draft, besides we drafted Bruno with the #20 pick and Thon Maker way better prospect and much more NBA ready then Bruno..

Sabonis a big man with T. rex arms, lacks athleticism, lacks shooting range.. Hmmm career in Europe or deep bench player ..

[CoachJReturns]

so people are pro Thon Maker over guys like Luwawu?

F No!!

Thon can be option A for our own pick. Luwawu is right at top of the mix for Knick pick. Huge difference.

I'd still take Sabonis over Thon 6-7 times.

Luwawu or Rabb with the Nuggets pick. Maybe Poetl if hes there and Masai feels confident he can move JV for a good power forward who isnt more than 26 or 27 years old.

[UnderdogRaptors]

Queens losing to Minnesota

[xAIRNESSx]

Winnable game for Sac at home tonight against Minnesota.

Hopefully they can pull it out.

[Dr Positivity]

Denver will lose a top 20 pick (turns into a 2nd) when Houston somehow misses the playoffs. I would be pissed