The case to trade Kawhi at the deadline and why we should be sellers

[raptorstime]

We can still get a good offer from the lakers if we make a trade before the deadline. TBH, i think they are the only team that would be interested.

[hype_2004]

You read it wrong.

The plan is to jump start an actual rebuild, because the chances of re-signing Kawhi is quite frankly slim to none. That is compounded with the issue that this season might just be a failed attempt because Kyle Lowry is not interested / playing hard enough, we have a lack of secondary option, and our offensive/defensive play looks quite lacking.

Kuzma, Ingram, Siakim, as well as multiple first round picks and some really good assets we get in return for Kyle/Ibaka/JV, is a great great way to jump start a solid rebuild.

No it's a great way to treadmill for the foreseeable future. Just an awful thread all around. Do you lack confidence in life?

Ask your girl, she'll tell you.

Are you angry, is something bothering you, consensus opinion here is that your opinion does not matter and is nothing but a loser knee jerk reaction of a recent loss to a
Conference rival.

[Ackshun]

We have pieces but we're playing with a serious lack of chemistry. It's right there in the body language.

We need Val back asap. We need some shooters at 3/4 spots. And we need to stop giving up **** runs and digging ourselves out of 20 point deficits. The playoffs won't bring many of those opportunities if we continue to let it happen.

We're not getting anything worthwhile for KL2 so I don't get the rationale of blowing it up now. Might as well stack the deck for a run. If a superstar is available, do it. If not, fill out the roster the way it needs filling out.

I refuse to believe KL2 is definitively going to the Clippers. Just because some fans brag about having him in the "bag" . Don't care.

This is a quality post. Getting JV back is one part by Toronto is an offensive minded team. When they make shots they play better defense and look like world beaters. Tonight Danny Green was sick and not able to play well. When we lose a shooter it hurts the starters. KLow presses his game and people load up on Kawhi because there is no one to make them pay. I'd love to get a shooter that people game plan for.

You other point is correct about KL2's trade value. Who is going to give you good value for half a season? Maybe one of the contenders might give you their late firsts, but you won't get a lotto pick and are likely to get a couple role players rather than a star.

Thanks for the shout out.

It's safe to say Masai and Bobby have their hands full trying to sort this out. I'm definitely not interested in taking a late first rounder vs watching KL2 at least attempt to dominate the competition in the east. But yeah, we definitely need a refresh.

[OAKLEY_2]

We have pieces but we're playing with a serious lack of chemistry. It's right there in the body language.

We need Val back asap. We need some shooters at 3/4 spots. And we need to stop giving up **** runs and digging ourselves out of 20 point deficits. The playoffs won't bring many of those opportunities if we continue to let it happen.

We're not getting anything worthwhile for KL2 so I don't get the rationale of blowing it up now. Might as well stack the deck for a run. If a superstar is available, do it. If not, fill out the roster the way it needs filling out.

I refuse to believe KL2 is definitively going to the Clippers. Just because some fans brag about having him in the "bag" . Don't care.

This is a quality post. Getting JV back is one part by Toronto is an offensive minded team. When they make shots they play better defense and look like world beaters. Tonight Danny Green was sick and not able to play well. When we lose a shooter it hurts the starters. KLow presses his game and people load up on Kawhi because there is no one to make them pay. I'd love to get a shooter that people game plan for.

You other point is correct about KL2's trade value. Who is going to give you good value for half a season? Maybe one of the contenders might give you their late firsts, but you won't get a lotto pick and are likely to get a couple role players rather than a star.

Thanks for the shout out.

It's safe to say Masai and Bobby have their hands full trying to sort this out. I'm definitely not interested in taking a late first rounder vs watching KL2 at least attempt to dominate the competition in the east. But yeah, we definitely need a refresh.

The best thing they can do is hedge by finding chunky salary expirings who can help for the playoffs. TRoss seems to be a no brainer. Ditto Mirotic. If Masai can land 10 to 20 mil in expirings and Kawhi leaves then all of the player Xs like a Ross or a Mirotic plus Kawhi, Green, Delon, Malachi, will net well over 50 plus mil to work with in the sad event Kawhi goes home. They then can make offer sheets on RFAs for Lowry replacements among other moves - Terry Rozier or DeAngelo Russell (maybe) and maybe get Green for the MLE or on an Amir type one year deal. If we decide not to overpay for all in then we can hang onto Paskal, OG, Norm, Green and a couple RFA's as a new core. Serge can be kept for another year. CJ may actually have a role on a team like that. Maybe they can get Ross locked up and Boucher will make the rotation dependent on increasing strength. Yes we would miss Poetl in that rebuild scenario. Big time. Any moves for expirings probably involves moving JV which hurts the Raps in the playoffs. That part is difficult. Which may make the case for signing a bought out DAJ if JV were moved. You get new troops and are better positioned to move on from Kawhi should he bolt.

[Spicy P]

I agree. This team isn’t winning a championship. Time to dump some players while they have some value and then start the rebuild early.

[TronoWrappers]

(The Raptors are 2nd in the East)

I think it will be okay.

[rapswestofthe6]

I agree. This team isn’t winning a championship. Time to dump some players while they have some value and then start the rebuild early.

All this talk is fine and dandy, but the odds of Kawhi Leonard resigning at the end of the year are 1000 times greater than the chance of Masai Ujiri actually trading Leonard.

I'd bet my house and my left nut that Masai won't trade Kawhi at the deadline.

[McFurious1]

(The Raptors are 2nd in the East)

I think it will be okay.

2nd in the East means nothing

[TronoWrappers]

(The Raptors are 2nd in the East)

I think it will be okay.

2nd in the East means nothing

I think we as Raptors fans have gotten a little spoiled lately with all the winning. I'm just going to enjoy the ride.

[Coco Costanza]

We're all in with Kawhi, there is zero chance he's traded, or the Raptors even entertaining the idea of a trade. You're in second place in a very beatable East, you don't just admit defeat at the All Star break. That is not the message you want to be sending to your fan base.

And while we're at it, Kyle isn't being traded either, so can put that to rest too.

[shmoosicle]

I had a dream last night that I was eating dinner with Kawhi and his wife and he all but admitted he wasnt coming back next year.

[RonaldArtest]

I can say one thing for sure - Kawhi does not look like a fun guy to play with. The team has a bunch of high energy guys and you see them seriously mellow down around him. It's what made this team so good last year. Based on what we see from Leonard on the court, it almost looks like it's just personally practice for him rather than a team game. You can tell his mind is eleswhere. This team isn't fun to watch anymore. It's not a team - it's a bunch of individual guys forced together.

Yeah , it just looks like the team knows that he's gone, and it's sucked a lot of chemistry out of it.

Maybe we really should of thought about trading Derozan, if it was going to hit the locker room the way it has.

I mean, if you where a player with some self respect, would you want to play with a guy who wants to go to another team from the get go?

It's like "ohhh, so you'd rather be with them, cause you think they have a better chance of winning or are better then our franchise".

Any self respecting athlete would definitely be pissed.

Not to mention the preferable treatment Kawhi has been getting, the days off etc. Definitely a recipe for animosity.

[XxIronChainzxX]

I can say one thing for sure - Kawhi does not look like a fun guy to play with. The team has a bunch of high energy guys and you see them seriously mellow down around him. It's what made this team so good last year. Based on what we see from Leonard on the court, it almost looks like it's just personally practice for him rather than a team game. You can tell his mind is eleswhere. This team isn't fun to watch anymore. It's not a team - it's a bunch of individual guys forced together.

Yeah , it just looks like the team knows that he's gone, and it's sucked a lot of chemistry out of it.

Maybe we really should of thought about trading Derozan, if it was going to hit the locker room the way it has.

I mean, if you where a player with some self respect, would you want to play with a guy who wants to go to another team from the get go?

It's like "ohhh, so you'd rather be with them, cause you think they have a better chance of winning or are better then our franchise".

Any self respecting athlete would definitely be pissed.

Not to mention the preferable treatment Kawhi has been getting, the days off etc. Definitely a recipe for animosity.

None of this matters. If Lowry played like this with DD we'd be the 6th seed and this place would be in such a cancerous shambles they'd have to lock down the forum to save realgm.

[Tha Cynic]

Yeah , it just looks like the team knows that he's gone, and it's sucked a lot of chemistry out of it.

Maybe we really should of thought about trading Derozan, if it was going to hit the locker room the way it has.

I mean, if you where a player with some self respect, would you want to play with a guy who wants to go to another team from the get go?

It's like "ohhh, so you'd rather be with them, cause you think they have a better chance of winning or are better then our franchise".

Any self respecting athlete would definitely be pissed.

Not to mention the preferable treatment Kawhi has been getting, the days off etc. Definitely a recipe for animosity.

None of this matters. If Lowry played like this with DD we'd be the 6th seed and this place would be in such a cancerous shambles they'd have to lock down the forum to save realgm.

No, that team had much better chemistry and that chemistry would have carried them through Kyle's struggles. This version of the team does not play together the same way.

[RonaldArtest]

Yeah , it just looks like the team knows that he's gone, and it's sucked a lot of chemistry out of it.

Maybe we really should of thought about trading Derozan, if it was going to hit the locker room the way it has.

I mean, if you where a player with some self respect, would you want to play with a guy who wants to go to another team from the get go?

It's like "ohhh, so you'd rather be with them, cause you think they have a better chance of winning or are better then our franchise".

Any self respecting athlete would definitely be pissed.

Not to mention the preferable treatment Kawhi has been getting, the days off etc. Definitely a recipe for animosity.

None of this matters. If Lowry played like this with DD we'd be the 6th seed and this place would be in such a cancerous shambles they'd have to lock down the forum to save realgm.

6th seed currently in the east is just a hair over .500, what makes you think the raps of last year would be in around that? Very unlikely. Don't forget that team looked really strong and were RS beasts with great cohesion.

[Ackshun]

I had a dream last night that I was eating dinner with Kawhi and his wife and he all but admitted he wasnt coming back next year.

If true, you need a break from this right here.

[Ackshun]

I had a dream last night that I was eating dinner with Kawhi and his wife and he all but admitted he wasnt coming back next year.

If true, you need a break from this right here.

[XxIronChainzxX]

Not to mention the preferable treatment Kawhi has been getting, the days off etc. Definitely a recipe for animosity.

None of this matters. If Lowry played like this with DD we'd be the 6th seed and this place would be in such a cancerous shambles they'd have to lock down the forum to save realgm.

No, that team had much better chemistry and that chemistry would have carried them through Kyle's struggles. This version of the team does not play together the same way.

It doesn't matter. Talent wins out. In the same way that LeBron and street trash humiliated that squad with Kyle playing well.

[Coco Costanza]

I had a dream last night that I was eating dinner with Kawhi and his wife and he all but admitted he wasnt coming back next year.

Wow, even in dreams Kawhi is aloof.

[Johnny Bball]

I don't think there's a worse idea that I've seen here in a long time than trading away Kawhi Leonard at the deadline, except for gutting the team now. There is zero chance any player would think this franchise would ever be serious about winning after that.