The Gasol trade was our downfall

[Hero]

JV always showed up and stepped up in the playoffs when Kyle and Demar choked. Would have loved to see him on this version of team with Kawhi and Siakam.

JV can't even stay healthy. Less than 50 games this season.
Memphis shut him down because he had an ankle injury.

I'd take a Gasol who is out there and giving it his all over a JV in his suit.

[GoodOne]

Evaluation from Memphis:

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Couple my pointers in all this post trade era.

1. During the early interview with Memphis media, JV chuckled, with his usual style: "I guess they are going to miss those hard screens in Toronto".

2.Regarding his future with Memphis, JV says"Why not?". He talks, that former HC BB of Grizzlies liked bigs and trusted him. So he was able to recover from injury and was able to put up numbers like 30+, 20+ in couple games. Pay attention to "BB liked using bigs, and he trusted me".

3. Memphis organization after getting hands on JV was surprised to see how much more JV can do. Not just evaluating his games, but having JV in the gym.

4. One more thing about JV's future in Memphis. JV was wondering, who will handle the PG position. I guess, after all these years in Toronto, playing with midgets shoot first PGs and being glued to the "never pass, worst shooter in the NBA DD" - JV is now kind of cautious not to get in the same Poeltl role in Memphis again. Though, I have the feeling that Memphis will try to use JV as a cornerstone of their rebuild and will try to put right players around JV.

About Gasol, what can I say... Last season this board was salivating about possible "ifs" to replace JV. For many here grass was always greener on the other side. Last year i looked how Gasol played and he was already in steep decline.

OK, let's go back to JV a little bit more. Memphis bball people think that JV right now is the most physical big the league. With a soft touch, good hands. For years we watched how Raptors "smalls" couldn't make a pass to JV after the roll, or when JV was set in the paint. In Memphis though everyone is happy: "Just throw the ball t JV and he will get it".

JV was much more involved in then offense, and everyone started to praise his passing too.

To finish - I don't want to look at Marc's stats this postseason. It's enough for me to watch him stand around and most of the time do nothing on the court.

BTW, if JV stays in Memphis next season - Grizzlies will have a better chance to play in play-offs than Raptors in 2020. Strange, right?

JV is getting his (well deserved) props in the USA! I watched all 19 games that JV played with Memphis and it really struck me as to how the US broadcasters were gushing with their accolades of what a great player JV is. I read a post earlier, that said JV would have been unplayable in the last series against Orlando. When the Grizzlies played Orlando on March 22, JV had 23 points/24 rebounds/3 assists/4 blocks!!!

Delon is getting his props too. Side note: Delon got 3 triple doubles in his last 4 games of the season. He is now ranked second in triple doubles for the Grizzlies, right behind Gasol (who had 5 t/d's).

I keep hoping that the Raptors might make a contract offer to bring JV and Delon home. But considering the way they got treated in Toronto vs the love they are getting in Memphis, even if the Raps made an offer I am doubtful they would accept. If the Raps don't get to the finals in this "all in" year, this year could go down as one of the most tragic years in Raptors history.

[HokutoNoCamera]

Memphis shut him down because he is now one of their best players and their season was over.

I've got #17 jersey so I was sore over the trade but I recognize what Gasol brings. That said what I do miss is a big who would have been the most likely to confront and rough up Simmons after the groin hit. Notice I say JV and not Ibaka because at least JV can temper the roughing and not miss on the swing.

Also on that note...

....YO! Simmons is a straight up fu@#king hooligan.

Someone better teach his aussie ass some manners next game. If we lose this series we should at least hurt him on the way out.

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[GoodOne]

Don't know about that. Very possible Vuveic would have smoked JV in the first round.

When the Grizzlies played Orlando on March 22, JV had 23 points/24 rebounds/3 assists/4 blocks. Does that help with your doubts?

[Johnny Bball]

We were winning nothing with JV. He wasn't even going to start most of the playoff games. He was going to give up points like crazy when out there. You all never were right before and you aren't now. The fantasy about how JV would save us, and it's all Gasol's fault, is idiotic.

Mods, at least when we had that specific thread for former players it was isolated and not a bunch of garbage all over the forum.

[GoodOne]

JV always showed up and stepped up in the playoffs when Kyle and Demar choked. Would have loved to see him on this version of team with Kawhi and Siakam.

JV can't even stay healthy. Less than 50 games this season.
Memphis shut him down because he had an ankle injury.

I'd take a Gasol who is out there and giving it his all over a JV in his suit.

What a f'ing cheap shot! Gasol is still out there because he goes out of his way to avoid physical contact.

[GoodOne]

Memphis shut him down because he is now one of their best players and their season was over.

I've got #17 jersey so I was sore over the trade but I recognize what Gasol brings. That said what I do miss is a big who would have been the most likely to confront and rough up Simmons after the groin hit. Notice I say JV and not Ibaka because at least JV can temper the roughing and not miss on the swing.

Also on that note...

....YO! Simmons is a straight up fu@#king hooligan.

Someone better teach his aussie ass some manners next game. If we lose this series we should at least hurt him on the way out.

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Exactly. It wasn't that bad of an ankle sprain, but the season was almost over anyway.

[Darknemo2000]

Playoff JV beasted in the last few minutes of the Cavs series where he choked away game 1? Don't think so bud.

How convenient of you toforget the rest of the minutes where he carried the team. And it wasnt like he choked the possesions that we ran through him. He missed tip-ins that he himself rebounded. We didnt run any plays through him in last minutes. All it came from his own offensive rebounds.

[GoodOne]

We were winning nothing with JV. He wasn't even going to start most of the playoff games. He was going to give up points like crazy when out there. You all never were right before and you aren't now. The fantasy about how JV would save us, and it's all Gasol's fault, is idiotic.

Mods, at least when we had that specific thread for former players it was isolated and not a bunch of garbage all over the forum.

Umm, Embiid had 33 points last night., and he dominated Gasol.

[GoodOne]

Gasol completely shut down Embiid in games 1 and 2.

Embiid had the stomach flu for those 2 games plus a sore knee. He was better by game 3 and he dominated Gasol.

They've played 8 times in their career. Gasol has shut him down 7 of those times. Embiid wasn't injured or sick in all of those matchups.

Good. So let's see Marc shut Embiid down for the rest of the series. That's all that matters right now, right?

[Rob Diaz]

Raps haven't had a reliable big-game C since Bismack Biyombo.

...said no one ever.

It's sad that you got so many and-1s for that post.

That's a shame if Raps fans don't remember the starting C who dropped 16 points, 17 rebounds and 2 blocks in a game 7 to help lead them to their first ever ECFs.

The starting C of the Raps team that took 2 games off the BEST version of Lebron's Cavs, including games where he had 26 rebounds and 4 blocks + 13 rebounds and 3 blocks.

The alternative was a loser C who started on a team that got embarrassed twice in the 1st round, got swept multiple times by the worst versions of Lebron's Cavs and Casey actually had to bench him in 2 different series' against them because he couldn't stomach watching him anymore.

When it's all set and done, Biz's game 7 and ECFs performances were far more impactful to this franchise than anything the other guy ever did.

Until the Raps reach the ECFs again, I'll always remember Biyombo's impact, because it was the only taste of winning we ever received, sadly.

[Johnny Bball]

We were winning nothing with JV. He wasn't even going to start most of the playoff games. He was going to give up points like crazy when out there. You all never were right before and you aren't now. The fantasy about how JV would save us, and it's all Gasol's fault, is idiotic.

Mods, at least when we had that specific thread for former players it was isolated and not a bunch of garbage all over the forum.

Umm, Embiid had 33 points last night., and he dominated Gasol.

Umm... saying JV would have served us better is fantasy. And not provable. And it's one game and Gasol is still not the reason we lost. I could also post the times he's scored that on JV just to sound the same as everyone here, but why bother, its in the past. But continue on...we lose, Jv fans chirp happily about it.

[Useyourhead]

We were winning nothing with JV. He wasn't even going to start most of the playoff games. He was going to give up points like crazy when out there. You all never were right before and you aren't now. The fantasy about how JV would save us, and it's all Gasol's fault, is idiotic.

Mods, at least when we had that specific thread for former players it was isolated and not a bunch of garbage all over the forum.

Umm, Embiid had 33 points last night., and he dominated Gasol.

Umm... saying JV would have served us better is fantasy. And not provable. And it's one game and Gasol is still not the reason we lost. I could also post the times he's scored that on JV just to sound the same as everyone here, but why bother, its in the past. But continue on...we lose, Jv fans chirp happily about it.

Pay no attention to this guy, he's the same one that has propped up bumfleet all season long... I think we all know where his level of knowledge resides...

[Johnny Bball]

Umm, Embiid had 33 points last night., and he dominated Gasol.

Umm... saying JV would have served us better is fantasy. And not provable. And it's one game and Gasol is still not the reason we lost. I could also post the times he's scored that on JV just to sound the same as everyone here, but why bother, its in the past. But continue on...we lose, Jv fans chirp happily about it.

Pay no attention to this guy, he's the same one that has propped up bumfleet all season long... I think we all know where his level of knowledge resides...

Pay no attention to this JV stan that doesn't understand match-ups are important, thinks 3 game sample sizes rule ... and doesn't understand the simplest concepts of defense and is still talking about players that aren't here like the other guy that is just as annoying. And who is really passive aggressive.

[artsncrafts]

I said at the time it was a pointless trade, lateral at best and hurts the future, but that is not the downfall of the Raptors.

[Useyourhead]

Umm... saying JV would have served us better is fantasy. And not provable. And it's one game and Gasol is still not the reason we lost. I could also post the times he's scored that on JV just to sound the same as everyone here, but why bother, its in the past. But continue on...we lose, Jv fans chirp happily about it.

Pay no attention to this guy, he's the same one that has propped up bumfleet all season long... I think we all know where his level of knowledge resides...

Pay no attention to this JV stan that doesn't understand match-ups aren't important, thinks 3 game sample sizes rule ... and doesn't understand the simplest concepts of defense and is still talking about players that aren't here like the other guy that is just as annoying. And who is really passive aggressive.

lmao I said this from DAY 1 of the trade, i did not need to see a this 3 game sample size to know what we're seeing now was going to happen. Philly has exposed gasol for the passive offensive scorer, terrible rebounder and terrible rim protector he is. Gasol himself knows he cannot score efficiently and throws up wild garbage in the lane hoping it will go in. This is why philly can afford to leave tobias harris and jj on him and the guy is still afraid to shoot.

The pic below says it all, when you give up a pass when you have JJ on you in the lane and you are 7'1.

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This guy will defend fred and gasol until his last breath even if there's enough evidence to show otherwise...what's more hilarious is that he has the audacity to call out other posters after posting utter nonsense....

[Johnny Bball]

Pay no attention to this guy, he's the same one that has propped up bumfleet all season long... I think we all know where his level of knowledge resides...

Pay no attention to this JV stan that doesn't understand match-ups aren't important, thinks 3 game sample sizes rule ... and doesn't understand the simplest concepts of defense and is still talking about players that aren't here like the other guy that is just as annoying. And who is really passive aggressive.

lmao I said this from DAY 1 of the trade, i did not need to see a this 3 game sample size to know what we're seeing now was going to happen. Philly has exposed gasol for the passive offensive scorer, terrible rebounder and terrible rim protector he is. Gasol himself knows he cannot score efficiently and throws up wild garbage in the lane hoping it will go in. This is why philly can afford to leave tobias harris and jj on him and the guy is still afraid to shoot.

The pic below says it all, when you give up a pass when you have JJ on you in the lane and you are 7'1.

Gfycat Video - Click to Play

This guy will defend fred and gasol until his last breath even if there's enough evidence to show otherwise...what's more hilarious is that he has the audacity to call out other posters after posting utter nonsense....

Yeah and your still talking about it like you think you're right, which is the really funny part! You had to wait for 2 games in a row that we lost for you to double you post count for a year. Actually... you had to wait for one game because Embiid really didn't score well the other two. And then spam the same ideas over and over. I've got all your knowledge already about it, so there's no need to explain more. Since it really isn't even correct.

And at the end its almost like the sample size for judging a player is now reduced to one photo/gif. Still not about anything but scoring though.

You should probably put me on ignore soon. Because I'm not defending Gasol/FVV, it the constant whinging about players that aren't here that I'm attacking. It's the OCD about it.... Just can't stop talking about players that barely made a difference. So incredibly like another guy here.

[GQStylin]

We were winning nothing with JV. He wasn't even going to start most of the playoff games. He was going to give up points like crazy when out there. You all never were right before and you aren't now. The fantasy about how JV would save us, and it's all Gasol's fault, is idiotic.

Mods, at least when we had that specific thread for former players it was isolated and not a bunch of garbage all over the forum.

JV on his own isn't going to win you championships, but he could've been a major contributor to the Raps in winning one if our dumbass coaches and players would've bothered to use him more effectively all these years. You say that JV doesn't have any impact, but in many if not most of the playoff games I watched with JV its mostly the same story.

Namely in the 1st and 2nd quarters the Raps would involve JV in the offense and he'd be scoring well and the Raps offense would be running like butter and then the 2nd half comes around and all of a sudden the team stops giving him touches or Casey stops giving him minutes and then our offense starts sputtering because Demar, Lowry and the rest of the team can't score worth a damn because they can't stop jacking up bricks and they refuse to do anything different.

That happened time and time again in the playoffs and I never understood why the Raps always went away from what was working to do things that rarely worked and turned games we were winning into losses. And if you want to talk about a player we were NEVER going to win with in the playoffs its Demar, but somehow he got chance after chance to succeed but he still never did. Meanwhile JV makes a couple of mistakes and he needs to get benched because 'he's trash'.

As for Gasol right now whether or not its all his fault, its pretty damn clear that the lack of major impact that he's had since the trade is hurting the Raps and it makes you wonder why this trade was made to begin with. Whether its because he isn't as good as we thought he was or the Raps misusing him the same way they did with JV is the cause, he's playing well below what he's been doing even this season with the Grizz so of course people are bringing up JV and what he could be doing for the Raps right now had the trade not been made.

[Johnny Bball]

We were winning nothing with JV. He wasn't even going to start most of the playoff games. He was going to give up points like crazy when out there. You all never were right before and you aren't now. The fantasy about how JV would save us, and it's all Gasol's fault, is idiotic.

Mods, at least when we had that specific thread for former players it was isolated and not a bunch of garbage all over the forum.

JV on his own isn't going to win you championships, but he could've been a major contributor to the Raps in winning one if our dumbass coaches and players would've bothered to use him more effectively all these years. You say that JV doesn't have any impact, but in many if not most of the playoff games I watched with JV its mostly the same story.

Namely in the 1st and 2nd quarters the Raps would involve JV in the offense and he'd be scoring well and the Raps offense would be running like butter and then the 2nd half comes around and all of a sudden the team stops giving him touches or Casey stops giving him minutes and then our offense starts sputtering because Demar, Lowry and the rest of the team can't score worth a damn because they can't stop jacking up bricks and they refuse to do anything different.

That happened time and time again in the playoffs and I never understood why the Raps always went away from what was working to do things that rarely worked and turned games we were winning into losses. And if you want to talk about a player we were NEVER going to win with in the playoffs its Demar, but somehow he got chance after chance to succeed but he still never did. Meanwhile JV makes a couple of mistakes and he needs to get benched because 'he's trash'.

As for Gasol right now whether or not its all his fault, its pretty damn clear that the lack of major impact that he's had since the trade is hurting the Raps and it makes you wonder why this trade was made to begin with. Whether its because he isn't as good as we thought he was or the Raps misusing him the same way they did with JV is the cause, he's playing well below what he's been doing even this season with the Grizz so of course people are bringing up JV and what he could be doing for the Raps right now had the trade not been made.

We have to have the same discussions again?

He limited Embiid to 2 really bad games, yet the moment we lose and Embiid finally finds ways to score by sinking four of four threes (which he shouldn’t do every day) , it’s all his fault. Look, JV was playing off the bench against most goid teams becaus he was a defensive liability. I will not listen to people make up bull and re-write history.

Your inability to see any of Gasol’s impact, (words like “well below”) and the parts of the game it does impact, has been my major problem with JV fans. You either can’t see it after all this time or choose the ignore it and lie to yourselves that it’s not there or important. I’m certain it’s the latter.. Y’all knew Gasol wasn’t going to have a big scoring impact. You all also can’t ever focus on anything thing else but scoring. And yeah he did have a bad game last night.

The raps aren’t misusing him. The raps weren’t misusing JV. JV scores the exact same points per **** minute, he’s just got more minutes. Another thing told JV fans was the solution to the problem not the way he’s used and how much when on the court, but they didn’t see it then either. Coaches and execs? You don’t even want to get why his minutes were limited!!! Or why post ups aren’t the most efficient. If you did we wouldn’t be still talking about this. Instead, the excuses for JV can’t stop even to this day. It’s just **** unreal.

[Kingsway_fan]

Jv and delon sorely missed, indeed.... Gasol afraid to shoot killing us....