Predict Scottie Barnes stats for the year.

[Psubs]

Gm1 per36:

Scottie: 18.9pts (60.0%), 13.1rb (5.8off), 8.7ast (5.8to), 2.9st, 2.9bk

Lawd now that's filling out a stat sheet...

He's gonna be a triple double threat every night with outstanding defense, has a complete set of skills aside from shooting, but he will get better. Come to think of it why wasn't this kid considered with the no 1 pick considering his physical profile and skillset?

I think he could do to quintuple 5's what Westbrook did to the triple-double. Though getting 5 steals and 5 blocks in the game means you were an immense disruption on defense.

[Ell Curry]

12.2 pts
6.8 reb
4.5 ast
1.6 stl
1.5 blk
2.8 to
44 FG%
32 3PT%
68 FT%

This seeming realistic finally made me realize we might have a guy averaging like 18-8-7-2-1.5 in year 3.

Did we draft Scottie Pippen?

[God Squad]

I've been very high on Scottie since the moment we took him over Suggs. I thought we would have a lot of growing pains with his offense as it was/is raw. But he's blowing my early expectations out the gate. Scottie's IQ is maybe the highest we've had since Lowry and IMO that's saying a lot. I love the way he plays within himself and sees plays developing early, and is absolutely disruptive on the defensive end. I'm not sure what his ceiling is tbh, I used to say Kawhi-ish. But I doubt he'll develop that level of ISO skills, but at the very least I see a young Draymond ALREADY (Super high praise). Banton and Barnes on the fast break was a thing of beauty. This kids impact stats will be felt right away with his def/assists/rebounding/scoring.

Love, Love, Love this kid.


Where I'll concede is I thought we totally wasted our second rounders. But got dammit there's something there with Banton. I'm not sure what of his ceiling or end role is, but he's a player.

(I still think David Johnson looks awful).

[ash_k]

12.2 pts
6.8 reb
4.5 ast
1.6 stl
1.5 blk
2.8 to
44 FG%
32 3PT%
68 FT%

This seeming realistic finally made me realize we might have a guy averaging like 18-8-7-2-1.5 in year 3.

Did we draft Scottie Pippen?

comparing him to a young Scottie is a much more accurate comparison than comparing him to a Draymond Green..Barnes moves like a wing/Small Forward...Draymond has always been a Power Forward

[OakleyDokely]

This dude somehow finds a way to give 110%. He defies math.

[Madhouse]

My questions would be how does he relate to Patrick Williams? Is he a better athlete? Measures better? Better feel? More guard skills? Shooting?

I would say he does everything better except shooting. Although Williams wasn't a great shooter in college either. But he does look more natural doing it.

The comparison makes sense but there are a couple of differences. While they played for the same college and same coach, Williams played on a veteran team in a normal year while Scottie played PG for the first time in his career and had to do it in a covid year. I think this steeper learning curve is really helping Scottie and I can already see improvements in his ball handling and vision.

In the neighboorhood of Williams' rookie season with more assists could be a good baseline expectation but I think he surpasses that because I think he is naturally more talented, more ready and has faced more adversity than a usual freshman in college and has an easier time adjusting.

[Madhouse]

He’s one of those guys that seems to be in the right place around the basket for easy buckets all the time. He’s gonna shoot well from the field. Just not from deep though, that looks very rough right now.

I think he'll have a couple games where he does shoot well but also won't force it when he is 0/3 from 3 and just passes the ball to shooters. His form looks decent, so he shot will come around eventually. But he looks like someone who will shoot when it's necessary not just shoot a lot to get better.

[RaptorReloaded]

My questions would be how does he relate to Patrick Williams? Is he a better athlete? Measures better? Better feel? More guard skills? Shooting?

I would say he does everything better except shooting. Although Williams wasn't a great shooter in college either. But he does look more natural doing it.

The comparison makes sense but there are a couple of differences. While they played for the same college and same coach, Williams played on a veteran team in a normal year while Scottie played PG for the first time in his career and had to do it in a covid year. I think this steeper learning curve is really helping Scottie and I can already see improvements in his ball handling and vision.

In the neighboorhood of Williams' rookie season with more assists could be a good baseline expectation but I think he surpasses that because I think he is naturally more talented, more ready and has faced more adversity than a usual freshman in college and has an easier time adjusting.

That's what I want to hear

Insert Jack Nicholson Nodding Yes Gif

[Clay Davis]

So, is there anyone here who wasn't initially high on him but who has come around?

[Backcountry]

So, is there anyone here who wasn't initially high on him but who has come around?

I had a certain uneasiness because I thought, like many others, that Suggs was the perfect replacement for Lowry. But having finally seen the Raptors' vision of "Positionless Basketball" in action last night, I understand that replacing Lowry was not what Masai, Webster & Nurse had in mind. They are creating a new paradigm. Barnes is the perfect fit, more than any of the other top 5 in the draft, for that vision.

My gut feeling is that, if they can find taller, longer replacements for FVV & Flynn in order to complete the vision, they will pull the trigger with no hesitation.

We will have to refer to Scotiabank Place, at least during basketball games, as "The Blanket".

[Vampirate]

So, is there anyone here who wasn't initially high on him but who has come around?

I had a certain uneasiness because I thought, like many others, that Suggs was the perfect replacement for Lowry. But having finally seen the Raptors' vision of "Positionless Basketball" in action last night, I understand that replacing Lowry was not what Masai, Webster & Nurse had in mind. They are creating a new paradigm. Barnes is the perfect fit, more than any of the other top 5 in the draft, for that vision.

My gut feeling is that, if they can find taller, longer replacements for FVV & Flynn in order to complete the vision, they will pull the trigger with no hesitation.

We will have to refer to Scotiabank Place, at least during basketball games, as "The Blanket".

I mean I always say this, would you rather have Prime Chris Paul or Prime Jokic?

Size just makes a huge difference in the NBA.

[XTC]

Been tell yall be patient with him... I watched Scottie 10+ times in college.

I've put it out there on this board + the draft board that if he becomes the best player in this draft I would not be surprised. I've also put it out there that he's a much better point forward than Cade Cunningham (I also had Giddey as the best passer and a potential top 5 pick).

I've been quiet since the draft because this board became borderline obnoxious post draft. I'm telling yall Scottie has superstar potential. He's a unicorn some weird hybrid of Giannis/Marion/Draymond/... VERY Scottie Pippen-like.

He's got potential to be 1 of 5 players in NBA history to average 2 steals and 2 blocks in a single season. IMO he's going to be an absolute stud and I would not be surprised to see him average 20+/8/8/2/2 at his peak.

[kirkwood]

Been tell yall be patient with him... I watched Scottie 10+ times in college.

I've put it out there on this board + the draft board that if he becomes the best player in this draft I would not be surprised. I've also put it out there that he's a much better point forward than Cade Cunningham (I also had Giddey as the best passer and a potential top 5 pick).

I've been quiet since the draft because this board became borderline obnoxious post draft. I'm telling yall Scottie has superstar potential. He's a unicorn some weird hybrid of Giannis/Marion/Draymond/... VERY Scottie Pippen-like.

He's got potential to be 1 of 5 players in NBA history to average 2 steals and 2 blocks in a single season. IMO he's going to be an absolute stud and I would not be surprised to see him average 20+/8/8/2/2 at his peak.

Answer the question bro, what will his stats be this year? I’m sure the 10 games you watched him play in for a few minutes can give you a clear indication.

[XTC]

Been tell yall be patient with him... I watched Scottie 10+ times in college.

I've put it out there on this board + the draft board that if he becomes the best player in this draft I would not be surprised. I've also put it out there that he's a much better point forward than Cade Cunningham (I also had Giddey as the best passer and a potential top 5 pick).

I've been quiet since the draft because this board became borderline obnoxious post draft. I'm telling yall Scottie has superstar potential. He's a unicorn some weird hybrid of Giannis/Marion/Draymond/... VERY Scottie Pippen-like.

He's got potential to be 1 of 5 players in NBA history to average 2 steals and 2 blocks in a single season. IMO he's going to be an absolute stud and I would not be surprised to see him average 20+/8/8/2/2 at his peak.

Answer the question bro, what will his stats be this year? I’m sure the 10 games you watched him play in for a few minutes can give you a clear indication.

I would be pleased with 10/4/4 with decent efficiency, and active defense.

[VanWest82]

Two thoughts after one preseason game. At one point Scottie air ball the rim on an uncontested point blank lay up. I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a 5/5/5/5/5/5/5 game this year (pts/rbd/ast/stl/blk/tov/fls). He's everywhere.

[vulture]

Been tell yall be patient with him... I watched Scottie 10+ times in college.

I've put it out there on this board + the draft board that if he becomes the best player in this draft I would not be surprised. I've also put it out there that he's a much better point forward than Cade Cunningham (I also had Giddey as the best passer and a potential top 5 pick).

I've been quiet since the draft because this board became borderline obnoxious post draft. I'm telling yall Scottie has superstar potential. He's a unicorn some weird hybrid of Giannis/Marion/Draymond/... VERY Scottie Pippen-like.

He's got potential to be 1 of 5 players in NBA history to average 2 steals and 2 blocks in a single season. IMO he's going to be an absolute stud and I would not be surprised to see him average 20+/8/8/2/2 at his peak.

I still remember that you and I were the only ones who were high on Scottie during the draft.

[Vampirate]

Been tell yall be patient with him... I watched Scottie 10+ times in college.

I've put it out there on this board + the draft board that if he becomes the best player in this draft I would not be surprised. I've also put it out there that he's a much better point forward than Cade Cunningham (I also had Giddey as the best passer and a potential top 5 pick).

I've been quiet since the draft because this board became borderline obnoxious post draft. I'm telling yall Scottie has superstar potential. He's a unicorn some weird hybrid of Giannis/Marion/Draymond/... VERY Scottie Pippen-like.

He's got potential to be 1 of 5 players in NBA history to average 2 steals and 2 blocks in a single season. IMO he's going to be an absolute stud and I would not be surprised to see him average 20+/8/8/2/2 at his peak.

Scottie imo is the best passer out of the top 5, he's also the worst shooter out of the top 5 lol.

Cade is extremely turnover prone and is imo a SG playing as a PG.

Suggs is a solid-very good PG, but I pointed it out in another thread that Barnes had a better A/TO ratio than Suggs did in college.

In many respects Barnes is a taller, worse shooting Suggs.

They really have the same strengths and weaknesses.

[everdiso]

Gm1 Per36



S.Barnes 18.9pts (60.0%), 13.1rb (5.8off), 8.7ast (5.8to), 2.9st, 2.9bk

E.Mobley 16.5pts (42.9%), 13.2rb (1.7off), 0.0ast (1.7to), 1.7st, 3.3bk

J.Suggs 15.4pts (27.3%), 6.8rb (0.0off), 5.1ast (3.4to), 0.0st, 3.4bk

J.Green 14.6pts (28.6%), 6.1rb (1.2off), 2.4ast (0.0to), 0.0st, 0.0bk

[Ell Curry]

So, is there anyone here who wasn't initially high on him but who has come around?

I had a certain uneasiness because I thought, like many others, that Suggs was the perfect replacement for Lowry. But having finally seen the Raptors' vision of "Positionless Basketball" in action last night, I understand that replacing Lowry was not what Masai, Webster & Nurse had in mind. They are creating a new paradigm. Barnes is the perfect fit, more than any of the other top 5 in the draft, for that vision.

My gut feeling is that, if they can find taller, longer replacements for FVV & Flynn in order to complete the vision, they will pull the trigger with no hesitation.

We will have to refer to Scotiabank Place, at least during basketball games, as "The Blanket".

Yeah, it's entirely possible that Masai has that in mind. Bit of a shame he didn't when he took Flynn over Desmond Bane, who looks like a really nice 3 and D guy and went with the next pick.

This team will be interesting. When the other team can slow it down and score so we can't run off misses and turnovers, we might look terrible, and some nights we might look fantastic. Like I could see us struggling to beat the Knicks (who can slow it down and run things around Randle and have athleticism and size at the 5) but beating some good Western teams.

[Ell Curry]

So, is there anyone here who wasn't initially high on him but who has come around?

Yeah, I'm a Michigan fan and Franz Wagner (who was probably the best defender in the Big 10 to be fair) completely shut him down in the tourney as Barnes had 10 points on 11 shots, as many turnovers as assists (3) and I was a little worried he didn't really have the handle or offensive game to survive, but the more I watched the less scared I got, and obviously summer league and last night has made me excited.