The truth about FVV

[And1+2]

Gladly eating crow about Fred, it's been really great to watch him and the team figure things out over the last 5 games.

[johanliebert]

It seems like Freddy realized that he isn’t going to get any calls at the rim so he adjusted his game accordingly and is looking for open shooters when getting in the paint.
I thought we’d miss Kyle’s charges but Fred and Trent’s deflection/steal rate is filling that void.
He’s playing his role admirably.

Exactly. He has changed his game a bit, not forcing at the rim as much, distributing more from the paint back out to shooters.

Again y’all with the revisionist history, he’s been getting in the paint all year but the complaint was he overdribbles. Spacings better the past few games so he has set shooters to find now where as before someone was cutting to the basket.

Him getting into the paint has clearly been a POE by the coaching/analytic staff since game 1 nothing changed.

[will]

Some of y'all truly and really are foolish.

Enjoying Senior, you goofs. You'll never be him either, so quit hatin'.

[vini_vidi_vici]

Its funny to hear ppl say he changed his game (re: not going to the rim).

Prior to last night he had roughly 3 FGA per game in the RA. Last night he went 3/4 and all of sudden he changed.



If anything, the increase in MR came at the expense of those 3s.

[newsletter]

Undrafted, undersized. Fourth string PG in his rookie year to leading this team. Freddy is awesome man

[ATLTimekeeper]

Its funny to hear ppl say he changed his game (re: not going to the rim).

Prior to last night he had roughly 3 FGA per game in the RA. Last night he went 3/4 and all of sudden he changed.



If anything, the increase in MR came at the expense of those 3s.

Yup, and this is all because he's forced to handle the ball way more without Kyle and Siakam. His bread and butter shot is that catch and shoot 3, and he's taking about half as many of those as last year, which forces him into tougher self-created 3s (rushed at end of clock or deeper range due to switches). Without Dragic there isn't another competent shot creator (maybe Flynn gets there, but he doesn't have Nurse's trust).

[Marty_Budda]

My problem with Fred has always been he’d have one good game out of two -and he’d shoot us out of the game he’s not shooting well in. As long as he can keep playing well 2/3 games rather than 1/2 I’m happy to keep eating crow.

[vini_vidi_vici]

Its funny to hear ppl say he changed his game (re: not going to the rim).

Prior to last night he had roughly 3 FGA per game in the RA. Last night he went 3/4 and all of sudden he changed.



If anything, the increase in MR came at the expense of those 3s.

Yup, and this is all because he's forced to handle the ball way more without Kyle and Siakam. His bread and butter shot is that catch and shoot 3, and he's taking about half as many of those as last year, which forces him into tougher self-created 3s (rushed at end of clock or deeper range due to switches). Without Dragic there isn't another competent shot creator (maybe Flynn gets there, but he doesn't have Nurse's trust).

I agree with all of this, except im blown away by GTJs creation (albeit), now if only he would facilitate.......

[HiJiNX]

His shot selection is drastically improved and the midrange has been a revelation. He’s also taking less early shot clock threes instead trying to get others going first. He’s been really good.

[Danny1616]

But some posters here were telling us all summer that Fred already reached his peak and would not improve.

[Kingsway_fan]

But some posters here were telling us all summer that Fred already reached his peak and would not improve.

Lol yep... I fully expect fred >>> Lowry this year and beyond. We shall see.. so far, I'm right.

[Gold Dragon]

https://go.nba.com/ex87

Currently tied for 3rd with KD at 73.9% from 15-19ft at similar volume.

[djsunyc]

The truth is that Siakam outed him out as Darth Fader. We have the dark side of the force leading us and we did not know it.

there's alot of craziness going on.

not only is fvv possessing the dark side of the force, scottie barnes now has 5 of the 6 infinity stones.

half the nba is about to get wiped out.

[vini_vidi_vici]

But some posters here were telling us all summer that Fred already reached his peak and would not improve.

Lol yep... I fully expect fred >>> Lowry this year and beyond. We shall see.. so far, I'm right.

I love FVV, and I know its not malicious, but lets not denigrate KL to give praise to FVV.

KL is killing it in MIA, just go look at the on/off splits.

[ATLTimekeeper]

His shot selection is drastically improved and the midrange has been a revelation. He’s also taking less early shot clock threes instead trying to get others going first. He’s been really good.

Early shot clock 3s are pretty much the same as last year. I'd bet it's only slightly lower because he was a transition threat off of Kyle or Pascal pushing the ball. Our best transition threat might be OG. Svi and Precious routinely do stupid things off the break.

[refshateRaps]

Fred has really taken another step up this season. The gap between what he is doing & what Lowry did seems narrow right now...

I really never thought id say anything remotely close to that.

Hope he can sustain

[Madhouse]

But some posters here were telling us all summer that Fred already reached his peak and would not improve.

Fred improving was always a strong possibility. Players can take that last jump in their game at 27 or 28.

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[Danny1616]

But some posters here were telling us all summer that Fred already reached his peak and would not improve.

Fred improving was always a strong possibility. Players can take that last jump in their game at 27 or 28.

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I agree with you.

However, just pointing out that some posters have been arguing for the last year that Fred and Pascal are finished products with no hope of improving. This is despite the fact that former Raptor stars like Lowry and Derozan managed to improve their games in their late 20s and early 30s.

[execoftheyear]

My problem with Fred has always been he’d have one good game out of two -and he’d shoot us out of the game he’s not shooting well in. As long as he can keep playing well 2/3 games rather than 1/2 I’m happy to keep eating crow.

yes, because basketball is played on one side of the court. Fred is an elite defender. It's rare to have a player that plays the pg position handle the ball so much on offense and still be able to play at such a high level on defense. I think his off nights on the offensive end are excusable with how hard he plays on D and given our best players in Siakam and Barnes are out.

Ideally, once Siakam and Barnes come back, Fred will be more of an off ball spot up shooter with the occasional drive to the basket or mid range pull up to keep the defense honest. Also he still needs to be that guy in late clock situations. It's insane how clutch he is in those situations.

[Madhouse]

But some posters here were telling us all summer that Fred already reached his peak and would not improve.

Fred improving was always a strong possibility. Players can take that last jump in their game at 27 or 28.

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I agree with you.

However, just pointing out that some posters have been arguing for the last year that Fred and Pascal are finished products with no hope of improving. This is despite the fact that former Raptor stars like Lowry and Derozan managed to improve their games in their late 20s and early 30s.

yeah, that absolute bs lol. It's been proven time and time again that NBA players consistently improve until year 7 or 8 in the NBA and some even until year 10.