[Fischer] Toronto A Team To Keep An Eye On For Myles Turner Trade

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

There are a few teams going after Turner, since he's a shot blocker. He's going to go for more than people think.

Probably more than we're willing to give up.

[OakleyDokely]

There are a few teams going after Turner, since he's a shot blocker. He's going to go for more than people think.

Probably more than we're willing to give up.

Bamba blocks almost the same amount of shots and hits almost as many 3s and he's available as well.

Turner isn't the only option.

[ATLTimekeeper]

My belief is that Fischer's source is Kevin Pritchard or someone within the Pacers org. He carried water for them by publishing the Nate Bjorkgren article where there was a ton of unconfirmed (and later refuted) rumors. It helped provide the justification for him being fired.

Yeah I had some conversations with some sports agents from a pretty big agency awhile back and one of the things they relayed to me was that Indiana definitely leaks information to the media (and that some players don’t like it). So it wouldn’t surprise me if they leaked this.

I wonder if Masai has ever executed a trade with a leaker yet? We know that Morey did his thing in the Lowry/Simmons talks, and Masai walked away. I think maybe the last one was McDonough in Phoenix in the PJ Tucker deal, and Masai stared him down to just 2 2nds.

The big trades he's executed are with the Spurs (never leak), Magic (Weltman), Memphis (don't think these lawyers know anyone in the media to even leak to).

[TheRealDeal]

OG for Turner straight up is a no. If they can sweeten the deal with picks and some additional talent I think we have to consider it

I really don’t see OG, Pascal & Barnes working together long term. Barnes is untouchable and Pascal has lower trade value due to his contract

If management thinks this would be a good time to sell high on OG for whatever reason then a franchise center plus some really nice sweeteners isn’t the worst place to start

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

There are a few teams going after Turner, since he's a shot blocker. He's going to go for more than people think.

Probably more than we're willing to give up.

Bamba blocks almost the same amount of shots and hits almost as many 3s and he's available as well.

Turner isn't the only option.

Yup, exactly. More options will pop up too.

[Sandman88]

I think everyone here is clear that OG for Turner is a no

What about OG for Sabonis though?

[Psubs]

OG for Turner straight up is a no. If they can sweeten the deal with picks and some additional talent I think we have to consider it

I really don’t see OG, Pascal & Barnes working together long term. Barnes is untouchable and Pascal has lower trade value due to his contract

If management thinks this would be a good time to sell high on OG for whatever reason then a franchise center plus some really nice sweeteners isn’t the worst place to start

No. Don't dilute things. Consolidate talent.

[macNcheese3]

Just read we are interested in Poeltl. I like this.

[Dalek]

If the rumors for OG for Turner are true, I feel like I played my part in this deal happening because I floated the idea here quite a bit.

Like I mentioned a while back, Indy would love a player like OG who can fit into any system and as a tertiary player is a 20 PPG scorer. Plus he is a former Hoosier so it would be a homerun for them.

Myles Turner is a DPOY type C that can change your team, but he is a bit inefficient as a shooter, so you have to manage expectations on what you think he ends up. I don't know if he will ever be the 20/8 plus 3 blocks C I think he should be. But, Toronto of all places can help him get there.

The only thing I have to say about these reports is that I am sure Indy wants and asked for OG and Toronto might have interest in Turner, but Masai/Bobby so rarely give up on one of their guys. Norm Powell only left Toronto as the end of his second/third contract. We so rarely bail on our guys that I doubt our GM would have the nerve to do this deal.

[Alfred]

My belief is that Fischer's source is Kevin Pritchard or someone within the Pacers org. He carried water for them by publishing the Nate Bjorkgren article where there was a ton of unconfirmed (and later refuted) rumors. It helped provide the justification for him being fired.

Yeah I had some conversations with some sports agents from a pretty big agency awhile back and one of the things they relayed to me was that Indiana definitely leaks information to the media (and that some players don’t like it). So it wouldn’t surprise me if they leaked this.

Not surprised to hear this.

If you read the Woj story where he breaks that Bjorkgren was fired, he writes an essay talking about what great shape the Pacers are in. It's a quid pro quo agreement, and everything originated from the Pacers FO.

[Alfred]

My belief is that Fischer's source is Kevin Pritchard or someone within the Pacers org. He carried water for them by publishing the Nate Bjorkgren article where there was a ton of unconfirmed (and later refuted) rumors. It helped provide the justification for him being fired.

Yeah I had some conversations with some sports agents from a pretty big agency awhile back and one of the things they relayed to me was that Indiana definitely leaks information to the media (and that some players don’t like it). So it wouldn’t surprise me if they leaked this.

I wonder if Masai has ever executed a trade with a leaker yet? We know that Morey did his thing in the Lowry/Simmons talks, and Masai walked away. I think maybe the last one was McDonough in Phoenix in the PJ Tucker deal, and Masai stared him down to just 2 2nds.

The big trades he's executed are with the Spurs (never leak), Magic (Weltman), Memphis (don't think these lawyers know anyone in the media to even leak to).

Interesting theory! I could see him being irritated by something like that. I assume that if the value is there, he will do the deal. I know that the Heat tend to talk to the media.

[libertyYYZ]

I'd rather play and develop an inexpensive talent like Precious than give up significant assets for a player like Turner who isn't a star and who isn't cheap.

We paid Serge a few bucks:
2016-17 Toronto Raptors NBA $12,250,000
2017-18 Toronto Raptors NBA $20,061,729
2018-19 Toronto Raptors NBA $21,666,667
2019-20 Toronto Raptors NBA $23,271,604

And paid Marc a few bucks:
2018-19 Toronto Raptors NBA $24,119,025
2019-20 Toronto Raptors NBA $25,595,700

We do pay guys when it matters. We've managed the budget last year and this year to get out of the repeat payer bracket which leaves us room to grow into a championship quality team.

Ibaka was a 3-time all-defensive player, and DPOY runner-up. Marc was a former DPOY with multiple other accolades. Turner is a good shot blocker.

Hmm...OK. I think Turner is OK for the price unless you're planning to spend heavily.

So testing your logic, we should be looking at the following guys:
https://www.nba.com/news/history-all-defensive-team
• Rudy Gobert, Utah Jazz
• Ben Simmons, Philadelphia 76ers
• Draymond Green, Golden State Warriors
• Jrue Holiday, Milwaukee Bucks
• Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee Bucks
• Bam Adebayo, Miami Heat
• Jimmy Butler, Miami Heat
• Joel Embiid, Philadelphia 76ers
• Matisse Thybulle, Philadelphia 76ers
• Kawhi Leonard, LA Clippers

Gonna cost more than Ibaka, Gasol or Turner. Thybulle would be cheapest in the All-NBA defensive list. Got any better ideas?

[alienchild]

OG for Turner straight up is a no. If they can sweeten the deal with picks and some additional talent I think we have to consider it

I really don’t see OG, Pascal & Barnes working together long term. Barnes is untouchable and Pascal has lower trade value due to his contract

If management thinks this would be a good time to sell high on OG for whatever reason then a franchise center plus some really nice sweeteners isn’t the worst place to start

He doesn't have lower trade value due to his contact. There are fewer possible trade partner's because of salary matching requirements. Pascal is worth his contract, many teams would love to have him, but can't put a package together to satisfy Masai/Bobby.

OG, Pascal & Barnes will work great together. That's the FO vision and plan.

[Psubs]

I think everyone here is clear that OG for Turner is a no

What about OG for Sabonis though?

Still no. Unprotected 2022 1st pick, Trent, Precious and Svi for Sabonis and 2nd pick. Trade Boucher or Dragic for a SG.

Dragic for Bogdanovic!

PG FVV - Banton - Flynn
SG OG - Bogdanovic - Champ
SF Barnes - OG - Yuta
PF Siakam - Barnes - Boucher
C Sabonis - Birch - Boucher

[HiJiNX]

Just read we are interested in Poeltl. I like this.

I would love Poetl back. I was a big fan back then when we had him and I’m a bigger fan now. Really good player—not a box score darling, but makes winning plays and knows how to work within a team framework.

Also blocked shots, offensive rebounding, passing and pnr skills from a mobile big is a nice package to have.

[Bruin]

Would Boucher and our lotto protected first be enough for Poeltl?

[libertyYYZ]

There are a few teams going after Turner, since he's a shot blocker. He's going to go for more than people think.

Probably more than we're willing to give up.

Bamba blocks almost the same amount of shots and hits almost as many 3s and he's available as well.

Turner isn't the only option.

Bamba with the one good leg. He's got an injury list like a runaway train.
https://hoopshype.com/storyline/mo-bamba-injury/

[HiJiNX]

My belief is that Fischer's source is Kevin Pritchard or someone within the Pacers org. He carried water for them by publishing the Nate Bjorkgren article where there was a ton of unconfirmed (and later refuted) rumors. It helped provide the justification for him being fired.

Yeah I had some conversations with some sports agents from a pretty big agency awhile back and one of the things they relayed to me was that Indiana definitely leaks information to the media (and that some players don’t like it). So it wouldn’t surprise me if they leaked this.

Not surprised to hear this.

If you read the Woj story where he breaks that Bjorkgren was fired, he writes an essay talking about what great shape the Pacers are in. It's a quid pro quo agreement, and everything originated from the Pacers FO.

Sounds consistent with what I’ve heard. Indiana apparently likes to use the media to protect the image of their org, sometimes throwing players (and I guess coaches) under the bus. Apparently it’s not an org where the players have a tremendous amount of trust in the integrity of the front office.

But again, this is all hearsay from only a few convos I had during a particularly interesting consulting job and agents protect their players. :shrug:

[Kevin Willis]

if Turner is unhappy with his role on the Pacers, it's hard to see him being happy with the role he'd get here. And multiple firsts would be out of the question.

Also question his fit on the roster. He couldn't play with a dominant big and he's coming here to play with Barnes and Pascal. We also need to ask the question what do we want our C to do in this line-up. That I'm not sure.

I think as a big who doesn't eat up space in the paint on offense he allows our guys to ISO and create.

As a good option on any pick and pop he has the jumper to make teams pay for loading up on the driver.

Finally, if people load up on FVV up top on the perimeter he can sit in the highpost and be an outlet. Not sure how great a playmaker he would be but he is an upgrade over push shot Birch and clank bro Achuiwa. Even if you want Scottie in that role you can easily move Turner to the corners.

I think OG is logical to be dealt since Scottie could step into that role. Turner provides options.

It sounds like OG is the one that would be dealt. OG is an All-NBA defender, maybe I'm biased but I think he is better than Turner.

[HiJiNX]

Would Boucher and our lotto protected first be enough for Poeltl?

If I were them I might want a second rounder or a fringe prospect as well which I wouldn’t be mad at.